Carcillo Suspension

[jollymania 162]

Excessive suspension, though Carcillo pulled a Tootoo in that fight. So much for squaring up.

I'm so sick of guys picking fights after good clean checks though, combined with the Tootoo suckerpunch, I can't say I'm too sad about this one.

tootoo's are worse, but I think Bradley should have just ignored Carcillo and taken the crosscheck.

[SweWings 45]

Stupid stupid move. I think he deserves the 4 games just because of that, not because of risk of injury.

[seeinred 1,488]

Excessive suspension, though Carcillo pulled a Tootoo in that fight. So much for squaring up.

I'm so sick of guys picking fights after good clean checks though, combined with the Tootoo suckerpunch, I can't say I'm too sad about this one.

As much as I could rationalize this by saying it wasn't quite as bad as Tootoo's s*** for a couple different reasons, I'd be doing just that: rationalizing. I like Carcillo, but this was bulls***. Heat of the moment, at least Bradley knew they were gonna go, blah blah blah. It was dirty, but as long as Carcillo doesn't make this a habit I'll be happy.

[Shady Ultima 40]

I can't believe how bad the reffing in the NHL is getting.

[hillbillywingsfan 794]

Four ******* games!?!

Darren McCarty is idolized around here for doing far worse to Claude Lemioux (though Mac apparently couldn't hit as hard as Carcillo). Garbage.

The 9 minute powerplay the Caps recived was excessive. This suspension is absolute bulls***.

you're still here?

lemieux btw

Edited December 7, 2009 by hillbillywingsfan

[j.hoop 64]

im amazed at how many people here think this is not a sucker punch. he didnt wait for bradley to square back up, he was coming in at a weird angle. dunno if 4 games was deserved, but at least 1 for not waiting for him to square up.

[newfy 695]

Talentless goons? They have a lot of talent on their team.

I wish our star players had some of the grit their top guys have.

The Flyers are one of the top teams in the east and pretty much have everything you could want on a team, scoring, and grit 2 things that win hockey games.

I'm with you, whoever calls them talentless goons is ignorant and pretty much a typical wings fan around here these days it seems.

[wingfan13 44]

I like the suspension for one reason. I HATE when players go after each other when there are clean hits. This never used to happen. Now, every time there is a nice clean hit there is some turd going after the player who delivered the hit. To be honest though, the penalties he got during the game were enough. He should just be closely watched from now on.

[puckbags 863]

i've watched the video 11 times and I am still looking for the so called 4 game cross check !

[Guest micah]

I like the suspension for one reason. I HATE when players go after each other when there are clean hits. This never used to happen. Now, every time there is a nice clean hit there is some turd going after the player who delivered the hit. To be honest though, the penalties he got during the game were enough. He should just be closely watched from now on.

You are ignorant of NHL history. Read gordie Howe's biography. He got embarassed when people landed hits on him, clean or not. He would retaliate immediately with an elboy or a buttend if he could get away with it, otherwise he would wait and sucker them behind the play later. sometimes with his fist, often with his stick.

Fighting after clean hits is as old as the NHL. Watch a Bob Probert highlight tape - that dude seriously hated being so much as nudged by an opponent. there have always been players who will rough you up id you hit them, even if you hit them clean. I like that, it adds an extra element to the game.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Excessive suspension, though Carcillo pulled a Tootoo in that fight. So much for squaring up.

I'm so sick of guys picking fights after good clean checks though, combined with the Tootoo suckerpunch, I can't say I'm too sad about this one.

Couldn't agree with you more Harold. This is a ******* ***** way to fight. Tootoo was the first thing that came to mind.

A couple people commented that Bradley had his gloves off. Umm....yeah, for about 1/1 millionth of a second. Carcillo's got both gloves off, he's got a grasp of Bradley's sweater with his left, the right hand is cocked back and he fires away while Bradley's gloves are about 2 feet from even touching the ******* ice.

I hate when players do this. It's absolutely one of my biggest pet peeves. And it happens both ways, sometimes the aggressor just tees off like Carcillo and sometimes it's the guy who is being challenged. And then everybody shakes their finger at the guy who was asking for the fight and wasn't ready when he got popped in the face. It's bulls***. Whether you're asking for the fight or you are accepting the fight. For god's sake back the f*** up, drop your gloves and square up like a man. Don't take advantage. It's the ***** way to fight and Carcillo is now lumped into my ***** category of fighters.

[Johnny Law 15]

since it's impossible for Campbell to give entire Flyers roster an automatic 82-game suspension

I'll take whatever he hands to this bunch of talentless goons. the less we see them the better.

Dude Giroux, Van Riemsdyk, Carter, Richards every team in the league would love to have any one of those guys.

4 games is a lot for not waiting a second before you pound someone's face.

[Frozen-Man 144]

Four ******* games!?!

Darren McCarty is idolized around here for doing far worse to Claude Lemioux (though Mac apparently couldn't hit as hard as Carcillo). Garbage.

The 9 minute powerplay the Caps recived was excessive. This suspension is absolute bulls***.

Seriously, how/why do you take any topic on this board and use it as an opportunity to bash the Wings. Pathetic

Excessive suspension, though Carcillo pulled a Tootoo in that fight. So much for squaring up.

I'm so sick of guys picking fights after good clean checks though, combined with the Tootoo suckerpunch, I can't say I'm too sad about this one.

Couldn't agree with you more Harold. This is a ******* ***** way to fight. Tootoo was the first thing that came to mind.

A couple people commented that Bradley had his gloves off. Umm....yeah, for about 1/1 millionth of a second. Carcillo's got both gloves off, he's got a grasp of Bradley's sweater with his left, the right hand is cocked back and he fires away while Bradley's gloves are about 2 feet from even touching the ******* ice.

I hate when players do this. It's absolutely one of my biggest pet peeves. And it happens both ways, sometimes the aggressor just tees off like Carcillo and sometimes it's the guy who is being challenged. And then everybody shakes their finger at the guy who was asking for the fight and wasn't ready when he got popped in the face. It's bulls***. Whether you're asking for the fight or you are accepting the fight. For god's sake back the f*** up, drop your gloves and square up like a man. Don't take advantage. It's the ***** way to fight and Carcillo is now lumped into my ***** category of fighters.

I agree, 4 games is a long time but I hate when guys do both of the things Carcillo did, try to fight over a good clean hit and don't square off at all. That could have been a really good fight but Carcillo did what Tootoo always does and tries to beat the guy before the fight began. I think 4 games is a long suspension but if (God forbid) the NHL ever decides to ban fighting these kinds of "fights" will be part of the reason. Bradley could have been seriously injured in one of those head hitting the ice incidents. You often hear Mickey and others say "no one gets seriously hurt in a clean fair fight" but guys do get injured from these types of cheap shots.

[Guest micah]

Seriously, how/why do you take any topic on this board and use it as an opportunity to bash the Wings. Pathetic

I thought it was relevant to the discussion. This is what Mac did to Claude that we all applauded him for (not the retraliation for a clean hit part, the not quaring up/sucker punch part). Why do we not call Mac "dirty"? Is it because he's a wing or because he did not appear to KO Claude with his punch?

I agree with you and all, btw that Carcillo should have squared up and that throwing that punch when he did was cheap.

As far as the "fighting after a clean hit"part goes, I'm all for it. there have always been some guys in the league who you knew that if you hit them, they would come after you, clean or not. I like the aspect that these men brought to the game. Toe Blake, Gordie Howe, Clark Gillies, Bob Probert, etc.

Edited December 7, 2009 by micah

[Krayzie_Bone 58]

I dont understand the suspension jsut because the other guy sucked and got his ass kicked carcillo has to pay.

[esteef 2,679]

The thing that sucks is Carcillo can totally whip Bradley's ass even if he DID wait to square up. Excessive punishment but Carcillo's gotta make better decisions than that.

esteef

[Frozen-Man 144]

I thought it was relevant to the discussion. This is what Mac did to Claude that we all applauded him for (not the retraliation for a clean hit part, the not quaring up/sucker punch part). Why do we not call Mac "dirty"? Is it because he's a wing or because he did not appear to KO Claude with his punch?

I agree that comparing what Mac did is entirely relevant to the discussion (although there is a huge difference in the circumstances leading up to why Mac did what he did and why Carcillo did what he did). What I didn't think is relevant to the discussion is this:

Mac apparently couldn't hit as hard as Carcillo.

That statement is not relevant to the discussion and in light of multitudes of previous similar comments is just another cheap shot to disparage a Wings (or former Wings) player.

I agree with you and all, btw that Carcillo should have squared up and that throwing that punch when he did was cheap.

As far as the "fighting after a clean hit"part goes, I'm all for it. there have always been some guys in the league who you knew that if you hit them, they would come after you, clean or not. I like the aspect that these men brought to the game. Toe Blake, Gordie Howe, Clark Gillies, Bob Probert, etc.

I agree that it has always been part of the game especially in the context that you are talking about (and the context of the Carcillo hit), more I guess I was talking about guys taking exception to any and every good, hard, clean hit no matter who it is on their team getting hit. It's not so much a standing up for teammates issue (which when there is a cheap shot I am all for) as it that every time there is a good hit there is a stoppage in play because of a scrum. Mickey and others talk all the time about how there used to be a time when guys took a big clean hit and then got up and kept playing. That doesn't happen very much anymore.

[PaulinMiamiBeach 0]

four games seems excessive. however, I do think a suspension is warranted. was Bradley preparing to fight? yes. but he barely got his gloves off when Carcillo blasted him in the face. fighting in hockey has an element of respect and honor that needs to be upheld, and Carcillo did not. I wouldn't call it a sucker punch necessarily, but he didn't give Bradley a chance to protect himself or fight back. the league doesn't want to see this kind of thing become commonplace (and it could very easily) so they came down hard on Carcillo.

oh, and the cross check? barely a love tap. how that has anything to do with it I have no idea.

[Zion 93]

I dont understand the suspension jsut because the other guy sucked and got his ass kicked carcillo has to pay.

Too easy. I'll leave this one alone.

[wingfan13 44]

You are ignorant of NHL history. Read gordie Howe's biography. He got embarassed when people landed hits on him, clean or not. He would retaliate immediately with an elboy or a buttend if he could get away with it, otherwise he would wait and sucker them behind the play later. sometimes with his fist, often with his stick.

Fighting after clean hits is as old as the NHL. Watch a Bob Probert highlight tape - that dude seriously hated being so much as nudged by an opponent. there have always been players who will rough you up id you hit them, even if you hit them clean. I like that, it adds an extra element to the game.

There is a difference when YOU get hit hard and YOU retaliate later in the game or the next game. I am talking about when a player hits someone clean and teamates go after the player who delivered the hit.

[bonan78 1]

This incident was suspension-worthy, but I admit that 4 games is excessive.

Definitely a cheap-shot, definitely intent to injure, Carcillo had his glov es off and was cocked and ready before Bradley was even facing him, and while Bradley clearly was getting ready to defend himself, Carcillo was obviously trying to get the drop on him rather than a clean fair fight.

And also for those comparing this to McCarty/Lemieux, two major differences:

1) In the 'bloodbath', McCarty was already squaring off with another Avs player when he saw Lemieux skating in his direction and decided to go after him instead.

2) D-Mac still had his glove on when he got the first shot in on Lemieux.

Obvious bias aside (I cheered my head of when D-Mac pounded on The Turtle), there is a degree of honor involved with fighting in the NHL as a rule, and Carcillo showed a complete lack of it in this situation. Again, suspension worthy for sure, but 4 games is excessive and shows a glaring lack of consistently on the part of Campbell and the disciplinarians at NHL HQ.

[Guest micah]

There is a difference when YOU get hit hard and YOU retaliate later in the game or the next game. I am talking about when a player hits someone clean and teamates go after the player who delivered the hit.

Not that it matters much - but you did say that you like this suspension for reasons related to fights after clean hits. Carcillo wasn't the teammate, he was the guy who took the clean hit....if you can even call it a hit. Carcillo is a tough guy, and some tough guys don't take kindly to being hit. I think they add in interesting flavor to the game, and I hope guys like that are always around.

...I just hope they square up next time.

[Guest micah]

And also for those comparing this to McCarty/Lemieux, two major differences:

1) In the 'bloodbath', McCarty was already squaring off with another Avs player when he saw Lemieux skating in his direction and decided to go after him instead.

2) D-Mac still had his glove on when he got the first shot in on Lemieux.

I'm not certain that either of those factors make Mac's jumpjob less dastardly than Carcillo.

Mac had better reason to fight, certainly. He wasn't any more honorable about it though. He could have dropped his cloves, squared up and given Claude the unniversal "let's go" shove, but he (for reasons only he knows) elected not to.