A Goon lineup is my christmas wish this yea.

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

^^^The flying roundhouse sack-punch, a dreaded maneuver rarely seen in fights these days.

Edited December 20, 2009 by Heroes of Hockeytown

[Wings3:16 324]

[Pucks 66]

Remember all the meat heads around here that used to post about needing a fighter goon to act as a deterrent? Well we've got May punching other meatbags but we've still got more injuries than I've ever seen in my life. My point is, having a fighter doesn't protect players from getting hurt. It never has. It keeps them from having to fight though. For the rocord I don't mind having May on the team, because he can take a shift and throw some checks, cycle the puck etc. Hell he even scored a goal that the retards said didn't count.

Can you imagine If we didn't have May? Every thread on the board would be about how all these injuries are the result of not having a meatbag.

[Guest micah]

Remember all the meat heads around here that used to post about needing a fighter goon to act as a deterrent? Well we've got May punching other meatbags but we've still got more injuries than I've ever seen in my life. My point is, having a fighter doesn't protect players from getting hurt. It never has. It keeps them from having to fight though. For the rocord I don't mind having May on the team, because he can take a shift and throw some checks, cycle the puck etc. Hell he even scored a goal that the retards said didn't count.

Can you imagine If we didn't have May? Every thread on the board would be about how all these injuries are the result of not having a meatbag.

You're missing the point of enforcers - they do not prevent injurries per se, they prevent some cheapshots which cause some injuries. I am not aware of anyone in LGW history who blamed every ACL tear on a lack of a heaveyweight.

Mike Babcock and I are on the same page. We want fighters like BRad May on the roster mostly because they deter the cheap stuff that causes some injuries. Nobody has been injured by a cheapshot in a game that May was in this year. That isn't to say that nobody will be - as I do not believe that May or any other toughguy can deter with 100% effectiveness, but May has been good so far.

Edited December 20, 2009 by micah

[Pucks 66]

That's the point I was making though. If we didn't have May there would have been a hundred page thread about needing some more goons to prevent injuries like Zetterberg. Same with the Kronwall injury etc. People would be trying to tie them together somehow. I'm not saying you would, but it would definitely be happening. I'm just glad we have May so we don't have to read about them.

Edited December 20, 2009 by Pucks

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

Sometimes, yes. Babs agrees with me.

We have been over this. When a authority contradicts himself from one year to the next it is not reputable when discussing a specific issue. Babcock said enforcers were beneficial in 08, then not in 09, now for 10 he is going to say they are. It is directly related to whether or not an enforcer is on the ice or part of the team, and when you have a guy who is as much of a workhorse as May is Babcock is going to say nice things about him to keep him on the team and on the active roster.

No, the deterant is your tough guy who proves repeatedly that he is willing and able to fight the toughest guys in the league. Because he's proven that, other players should have no doubt that he will fight them if the cause arrises.

Out of curiosity what are the chances that Brad May is going to be out on the ice at the same time that Corey Perry is in any given night?

If an enforcer fights another enforcer, it just means that he tends to fight other enforcers, and that has been the case this year. Whoopdy freaking doo. I bet guys like Perry are shaking in their boots to think that a guy like Laraque or May is going to fight George Parros the punching bag.

(sigh) Reread my post. I thought I made the reasons for "pointless" fights perfectly clear. If you're gonna be feared as a fighter, you gotta fight. If fighting tough guys "for no reson" does thge trick, you should expect to have to enforce less. Why fight in retaliation when you can fight before some idiot decides to hack away at one of your sstar players? Enforcers do not just exist for retribution, their primary purpose, as Babs understands, is to prevent cheapshots. If you don't have a rep as a guy who will go anywhere anytime, you're not going to be as succesful in that role.

If you think people didn't know who Brad May was before that fight against Tampa then you are delusional. Honestly, you mean to tell me Brad May needs to build up his reputation every night so players don't "forget" that he is out there?

How many subjective characteristics are you going to give to substantiate the necessity of an enforcer this season?

But of course, now that Holland and Babs have some tough guys in the lineup they are geniuses and know the sport of hockey. The second there isn't one they will once again be labeled as idiots and proponents of soft hockey. Just wonderful.

[esteef 2,679]

Yep, enforcers do absolutely nothing for the team or the sport, yet every f***in' team in the league continues to carry at least one on their roster. Funny how that works.

esteef

[Guest micah]

We have been over this. When a authority contradicts himself from one year to the next it is not reputable when discussing a specific issue. Babcock said enforcers were beneficial in 08, then not in 09, now for 10 he is going to say they are. It is directly related to whether or not an enforcer is on the ice or part of the team,

..except that there were no enforcers who were members of the team at the time Babs said those nice things about how May, durring his tryout, prevented people ffrom cheapshotting other Wings.

Out of curiosity what are the chances that Brad May is going to be out on the ice at the same time that Corey Perry is in any given night?

I think the chances of them being on the ice at the same time are pretty fair, if Babs wants them on the ice at the same time. Getting them together is not a problem, coming up with a circumstance under which they would fight without May getting the instigator package is more difficult though.

If you think people didn't know who Brad May was before that fight against Tampa then you are delusional. Honestly, you mean to tell me Brad May needs to build up his reputation every night so players don't "forget" that he is out there?

Maybe not "every night", but yes, hockey fighters have to fight relatively often to maintain their rep. Absolutely they do.

How many subjective characteristics are you going to give to substantiate the necessity of an enforcer this season?

I don't get the question.

But of course, now that Holland and Babs have some tough guys in the lineup they are geniuses and know the sport of hockey. The second there isn't one they will once again be labeled as idiots and proponents of soft hockey. Just wonderful.

Please point out the instances where I called Holland or Babs an idiot. Thanks.

[VM1138 1,921]

A number of teams are taking liberties with big hits this season, if they get on a losing streak. Understandable the wings are decimated by injury, Lidstrom is playing alot more minutes hope he doesnt the next one that goes down. My wish is red wings to send a message to keep opponents honest. Sometimes you gotta show toughness clean hit or not.

The thing with losing teams is that when they turn goon it never starts a winning streak. And once again, goonery won't prevent injuries from legal hits.

[Pucks 66]

I guess maybe I'm the only one, but from a homer perspective I would have rather seen May trying to beat up Ohlund instead of that pointless fight with Barch. I know the hit was clean and it's breaking the code or whatever but there it is. I know he would have gotten the instigator penalty and it might have cost us the game. However that hit on Zetterberg will cost us a lot more than one game in the long run.

[esteef 2,679]

I guess maybe I'm the only one, but from a homer perspective I would have rather seen May trying to beat up Ohlund instead of that pointless fight with Barch. I know the hit was clean and it's breaking the code or whatever but there it is. I know he would have gotten the instigator penalty and it might have cost us the game. However that hit on Zetterberg will cost us a lot more than one game in the long run.

C'mon man, he did get the patented "stern talking to" from Bert made famous by our former brute Chelios.

[Broken 16 381]

Enforcers are necessary.

No they aren't

Yes they are

No they aren't

Yes they are, quitsies!

Anti-quitsies, NO they aren't, no anti-quitsies, no starties!

You can't do that!

Can too!

Cannot, stamped it!

Can too, double stamp it, no erasies!

Cannot, triple stamp, no erasies, touch blue to make it true.

No, you can't do that... You can't triple stamp a double stamp! You can't triple stamp a double stamp!

LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA!

/thread

Edited December 20, 2009 by Broken 16

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

..except that there were no enforcers who were members of the team at the time Babs said those nice things about how May, durring his tryout, prevented people ffrom cheapshotting other Wings.

May was on the ice was he not? He was being looked at was he not?

I think the chances of them being on the ice at the same time are pretty fair, if Babs wants them on the ice at the same time. Getting them together is not a problem, coming up with a circumstance under which they would fight without May getting the instigator package is more difficult though.

Sure it's possible, but it just doesn't happen.

Maybe not "every night", but yes, hockey fighters have to fight relatively often to maintain their rep. Absolutely they do.

Well that sounds pretty crazy.

I don't get the question.

Just about every single characteristic to define why an enforcer is needed on the team is subjective, and seems to be given as a reason that proves enforcers are needed.

Please point out the instances where I called Holland or Babs an idiot. Thanks.

I'm talking about the enforcer slappy crowd in general. Perhaps they have not all explicitly stated that both are idiots, but I'm sure you could find some quotes that bash the coaching and management last year for not having an enforcer in the lineup.

And UK: Funny you mention that when a team without any tough guy whatsoever made it to game seven of the finals last year. Strange.

[esteef 2,679]

Enforcers are necessary.

No they aren't

Yes they are

No they aren't

Yes they are, quitsies!

Anti-quitsies, NO they aren't, no anti-quitsies, no starties!

You can't do that!

Can too!

Cannot, stamped it!

Can too, double stamp it, no erasies!

Cannot, triple stamp, no erasies, touch blue to make it true.

No, you can't do that... You can't triple stamp a double stamp! You can't triple stamp a double stamp!

LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA!

/thread

LLOYD! LLOYD!! YOU CAN'T TRIPLE STAMP A DOUBLE STAMP!!!!

Seriously, the only reason these threads happen is because so many minds are changed during the discussion.

esteef

[uk_redwing 495]

Ah, so thats where I left my dead horse. Wait a minute....whos been beating it?!

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

Yep, enforcers do absolutely nothing for the team or the sport, yet every f***in' team in the league continues to carry at least one on their roster. Funny how that works.

esteef

Having an enforcer and "gooning it up" are two different concepts.

[Guest micah]

The thing with losing teams is that when they turn goon it never starts a winning streak.

Sounds to me like someone never saw the hockey documentary "Slapshot".

And once again, goonery won't prevent injuries from legal hits.

Once again, goonery likely has prevented some injuries from legal hits. There have been instances of people not delivering big, clean hits on star players because they feared retribution from goons. Chances are, guys like Gretzky or Kuri would have suffered an injurry or two as a result of a hit that was never delivered, thanks to Semenko and McSorely making the prospect of laying a big hit on them a bit less appealing.

[newfy 695]

We might as well goon it up with Janik Newbury May Abs and Bert in the line up. If we're gonna lose might as well send a message that we're gonna take it to you if you wanna beat us. Make teams think twice about crashing the net, think twice about hitting one of our stars etc.

If you can't beat them might as well try to intimidate.

[Guest Lidstromboli]

Sounds to me like someone never saw the hockey documentary "Slapshot".