haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted January 10, 2010 In a perfect world, sure. That's never gonna happen. Someone is always gonna start a new thread about a new tid bit or quote. If it bothers you that much I would suggest picking a favorite one and ignoring the rest. Picking a favorite what? thread? that still doesn't keep other topics from being pushed off the page. And it doesn't even have to be a perfect world. It's in the forum rules. I won't derail this thread from more Ozzy discussion. I just think it's unnecessary considering the existing threads. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broken 16 381 Report post Posted January 10, 2010 Picking a favorite what? thread? that still doesn't keep other topics from being pushed off the page. And it doesn't even have to be a perfect world. It's in the forum rules. I won't derail this thread from more Ozzy discussion. I just think it's unnecessary considering the existing threads. So become a mod and clean it up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broken 16 381 Report post Posted January 10, 2010 Well for starters it is January. Secondly, it is the regular season. Third, Osgood hasn't started since the 20th. There are way too many things that need to happen before Howard seems like a legitimately better goaltender in the playoffs than Osgood. And not all of them have happened yet. I'm also sure you could find some quotes for Babcock talking about how great Conklin was last year. Wrong. There are two things. 1) Osgood has to get a start, which should happen soon enough. Especially since it seems like Babcock is starting to feel the pressure to start him. 2) Osgood has to win the starting goaltending job. Because that job is clearly Howards. If these two things don't happen, Osgood won't be starting. Count on it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ben_usmc 253 Report post Posted January 10, 2010 Roll Howard out in the season as much as possible, give Ozzy some starts to stay in game shape. But the time playoffs role around I want Ozzy in net for sure! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broken 16 381 Report post Posted January 10, 2010 Why not call it the Jimmy Howard Discussion Thread? That's just unnecessary hate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted January 10, 2010 Thanks to Howard we are in playoff race and the best way to thanks him and break him (his confidence) is to start Osgood... Remember last year: Varlamov and Theodore... Again - some of Osgood fans doesn't sound like RED WINGS fans... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted January 10, 2010 Wrong. There are two things. 1) Osgood has to get a start, which should happen soon enough. Especially since it seems like Babcock is starting to feel the pressure to start him. 2) Osgood has to win the starting goaltending job. Because that job is clearly Howards. If these two things don't happen, Osgood won't be starting. Count on it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted January 10, 2010 (edited) Wrong. There are two things. 1) Osgood has to get a start, which should happen soon enough. Especially since it seems like Babcock is starting to feel the pressure to start him. 2) Osgood has to win the starting goaltending job. Because that job is clearly Howards. If these two things don't happen, Osgood won't be starting. Count on it. Perhaps short-term, but I haven't heard anybody declare a starting goalie for the long term or playoffs. Right now, you ride the hot goalie and it is Howard and if that's done for the rest of the season, so be it. And to be perfectly clear, I am neither an Osgood only fan or Howard only fan or Osgood hater or Howard hater, so do not label me as such. I'm a Wings fan and want what is best for the team. If that means Howard? Fine. If it means Osgood? Fine. Nobody is done though and there is no starter determined yet for the long term or playoffs. Edited January 10, 2010 by SouthernWingsFan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted January 10, 2010 Uhhhh... it matters most right now. Can't do much in the playoffs if you don't make it. If the playoffs started tomorrow, who would you want in net? Chris Osgood. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shady Ultima 40 Report post Posted January 10, 2010 But Giggy won the Cup in 03. Not to mention Giguere played poorly in the previous playoffs, whereas Ozzy won the Cup two seasons ago and played well all the way to the finals just last season. I thought Brodeur won in 03? Giguere did bring them to the Finals, and he helped them win in 07 though. Anyways, I love the irony this website brings. October, we were ready to dump Howard before he played a game. Now, we want him to start in the playoffs. I said it in October, I'll say it now. We should wait and see. Players get hot, then cold. Howard is known to be inconsistent, and although he is better now, that inconsistency still potentially could surface again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted January 10, 2010 Wrong. There are two things. 1) Osgood has to get a start, which should happen soon enough. Especially since it seems like Babcock is starting to feel the pressure to start him. 2) Osgood has to win the starting goaltending job. Because that job is clearly Howards. If these two things don't happen, Osgood won't be starting. Count on it. 1) There is no pressure on Babcock to start Osgood - Detroit is winning and that's why this game is played. This is no American Idol... 2) Yes Osgood has to win starting goaltending job. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted January 10, 2010 Perhaps short-term, but I haven't heard anybody declare a starting goalie for the long term or playoffs. Right now, you ride the hot goalie and it is Howard and if that's done for the rest of the season, so be it. And to be perfectly clear, I am neither an Osgood only fan or Howard only fan or Osgood hater or Howard hater, so do not label me as such. I'm a Wings fan and want what is best for the team. If that means Howard? Fine. If it means Osgood? Fine. Nobody is done though and there is no starter determined yet for the long term or playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted January 10, 2010 I thought Brodeur won in 03? Giguere did bring them to the Finals, and he helped them win in 07 though. Anyways, I love the irony this website brings. October, we were ready to dump Howard before he played a game. Now, we want him to start in the playoffs. I said it in October, I'll say it now. We should wait and see. Players get hot, then cold. Howard is known to be inconsistent, and although he is better now, that inconsistency still potentially could surface again. you're right. That was his Conn Smythe year. Giggy won in 07, so I guess that part of the analogy is similar, though he kind of crapped the bed the next year in the playoffs. as for the part of your post that I bolded, I couldn't agree more. I got flack for not over the top praising Jimmy enough a couple weeks ago. We love to put our goalies on pedestals here, then grab em and throw them right under the bus. There's half a season left. It'd be a nice problem to have to decide between a hot rookie goaltender and a Cup winning veteran (who hopefully by then will be playing well also). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broken 16 381 Report post Posted January 10, 2010 (edited) Perhaps short-term, but I haven't heard anybody declare a starting goalie for the long term or playoffs. Right now, you ride the hot goalie and it is Howard and if that's done for the rest of the season, so be it. And to be perfectly clear, I am neither an Osgood only fan or Howard only fan or Osgood hater or Howard hater, so do not label me as such. I'm a Wings fan and want what is best for the team. If that means Howard? Fine. If it means Osgood? Fine. Nobody is done though and there is no starter determined yet for the long term or playoffs. The term will be as long as Howard wants it to be. Right now it's his job to lose and he knows it. If he is gonna continue to work on his game and improve at his current pace, Ozzie may very well end up on the shelf. And no offense to Ozzie... but that would be awesome. Edited January 10, 2010 by Broken 16 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest malelion55 Report post Posted January 11, 2010 Chris Osgood is history in the near Redwings future...Babcock wants to write him off...after the season he will be forced to retire...that's what I think...and this is what will be...LETS GO WINGS !!!!!!!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted January 11, 2010 you're right. That was his Conn Smythe year. Giggy won in 07, so I guess that part of the analogy is similar, though he kind of crapped the bed the next year in the playoffs. as for the part of your post that I bolded, I couldn't agree more. I got flack for not over the top praising Jimmy enough a couple weeks ago. We love to put our goalies on pedestals here, then grab em and throw them right under the bus. There's half a season left. It'd be a nice problem to have to decide between a hot rookie goaltender and a Cup winning veteran (who hopefully by then will be playing well also). No joke...I got flack earlier in the season for saying Howard deserved a chance! It's funny that many who have argued with me lately (against Osgood...) about these issues were the same people calling me an idiot for saying we need to give Howard a chance a few months ago. Fickle bunch around here... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FedorovMan91 1 Report post Posted January 11, 2010 The reason Osgood could start in playoff last year was he showed much improvement in last 2 or 3 weeks. He will get chances to prove himself to be between pipes in the playoff. Every year is different and it is retarded to bring back the case happened last year. If Osgood does not really improve, no reason to deny Howard being a playoff starter. Well, let's make the playoff first^^ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest zackmorris Report post Posted January 11, 2010 Why merge threads that are massive in their own right? It makes it impossible to catch up on. I don't know where this topic went but all I do know, is that the whole "Howard is sheltered" thing and the whole "Babcock hates Ozzie" thing, contradict one another. It's one or the other. And it seems to be the other once Howard s***s on one of those theories. He's started against all the top teams in the West and one of the teams we supposedly shelter him from, San Jose, he owned. So...I bet now it's all, 100% a conspiracy against Ozzie. This is ridiculous. With each passing game it becomes more and more obvious we're just doing what we need to win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
