Blackhawks vs The Blues

[aw1340 0]

And he is a stud in the playoffs when he isn't battling an injury which required surgery and him missing 1/4 of a hockey season.

So Hossa has been injured every year in the playoffs except 08?

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Speaking of the Blues, whatever happened to DJ KING?

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He's played 2 games the last two years, both times getting injured.

No, I'm not kidding.

[Carman 387]

So Hossa has been injured every year in the playoffs except 08?

What's wrong with 01' or 02' runs?

In the past two playoffs he's had 41 points in 42 games while playing great defensive hockey as a winger. He is a top 5 winger in the game, he's not a playoff "choker". 97 games 76 points is not choking especially with some of the bad Ottawa teams early in his career, I'm not saying he is a great playoff performer, but he is not bad. Not to mention his international performances which have been great. He is an elite player, whether you accept it or not.

[Miller Brew 0]

What's wrong with 01' or 02' runs?

In the past two playoffs he's had 41 points in 42 games while playing great defensive hockey as a winger. He is a top 5 winger in the game, he's not a playoff "choker". 97 games 76 points is not choking especially with some of the bad Ottawa teams early in his career, I'm not saying he is a great playoff performer, but he is not bad. Not to mention his international performances which have been great. He is an elite player, whether you accept it or not.

So NHL should hand Hossa a Stanley Cup ring then? That'd be a nice gesture and one lovely consolation prize for him.

Jiri Hudler had almost as many points as $7.5 million (no show) Marián Hossa. Elite players step up. Hossa does not. Franzen, Zetterberg and Cleary were all better than $7.5 million Mr. No Show Marián Hossa. I expect Bertuzzi to outplay Hossa in the post-season for a fraction of the cost.

Edited January 6, 2010 by Miller Brew

[Carman 387]

So NHL should hand Hossa a Stanley Cup ring then? That'd be a nice gesture and one lovely consolation prize for him.

Jiri Hudler had almost as many points as $7.5 million (no show) Marián Hossa. Elite players step up. Hossa does not. Franzen, Zetterberg and Cleary were all better than $7.5 million Mr. No Show Marián Hossa. I expect Bertuzzi to outplay Hossa in the post-season for a fraction of the cost.

/sigh do you hold Datsyuk to this "injuries don't mean anything" standard? Hossa was injured deal with it, he was healthy in 08 and he'll most likely be healthy in 10' when he outscores everyone on the Wing's. Get jealous more. Hossa stepped up so many other times in his career on every level, if you are holding one injury plagued playoff run against him you have the perspective of a complete imbecile.

Whatever, jealous Red Wing fans can stay jealous. Hossa will remain one of the great players in the NHL, while the Red Wing's continue struggling with scoring one goal in games and barely secure a playoff spot(Not saying the Wing's should of re-signed him, but if people are going to use the 09' playoffs against Hossa, this statement holds about the same intelligence).

[Guest Blackhawkdown]

So NHL should hand Hossa a Stanley Cup ring then? That'd be a nice gesture and one lovely consolation prize for him.

Jiri Hudler had almost as many points as $7.5 million (no show) Marián Hossa. Elite players step up. Hossa does not. Franzen, Zetterberg and Cleary were all better than $7.5 million Mr. No Show Marián Hossa. I expect Bertuzzi to outplay Hossa in the post-season for a fraction of the cost.

Question:

Were you calling Hossa "no show" when he was tearing it up for the Wings during the regular season last year? Or did you just start calling him that after the one year playoff appearance he had for the Wings in last years playoffs?

Being the homer that you are, I am guessing you werent complaining about his past playoff appearances while he was having a great regular season last year. You probably started that once he signed with the Hawks.

[Miller Brew 0]

If Hossa is such a playoff beast, then why doesn't he have a Stanley Cup ring? He did not, could not, or just refused to elevate his game when it matters the most to give his team a chance to win Lord Stanley. He expects Franzen and Zetterberg or Malkin and Crosby to do all the work so he can enjoy the fruits of their labor.

An elite player will step up when called upon. Hossa did not.

Oh, and as far as Datsyuk goes, his Stanley Cup rings are plugging his ears, he couldn't hear you. He won the cup the year prior and Hossa did not, you'd think Hossa would at the very least be a bit more hungry than Datsyuk, no?

[Carman 387]

If Hossa is such a playoff beast, then why doesn't he have a Stanley Cup ring? He did not, could not, or just refused to elevate his game when it matters the most to give his team a chance to win Lord Stanley. He expects Franzen and Zetterberg or Malkin and Crosby to do all the work so he can enjoy the fruits of their labor.

An elite player will step up when called upon. Hossa did not.

Oh, and as far as Datsyuk goes, his Stanley Cup rings are plugging his ears, he couldn't hear you. He won the cup the year prior and Hossa did not, you'd think Hossa would at the very least be a bit more hungry than Datsyuk, no?

Haha, so injuries hold weight on his performance? In 08' he was the Pen's best player. And in 09' he was injured. Bash him for 09' all you want, but you can't take away how good he was in 08'.

[Guest Blackhawkdown]

If Hossa is such a playoff beast, then why doesn't he have a Stanley Cup ring?

It takes more than ONE player to win the stanley cup.

And nobody has said he is a playoff "beast", we are saying that he hasnt been as bad as some people are trying to make him out to be. Calling him "no show" is as much off as calling him a "beast".

[Carman 387]

It takes more than ONE player to win the stanley cup.

And nobody has said he is a playoff "beast", we are saying that he hasnt been as bad as some people are trying to make him out to be. Calling him "no show" is as much off as calling him a "beast".

There is no hope man, Miller Brew is possibly the biggest homer ever.

Anyways Chicago is a fun team, hopefully the Wings can make it to the playoffs and see you guys in the first round, I'm sure that would be a fun one

[Miller Brew 0]

Question:

Were you calling Hossa "no show" when he was tearing it up for the Wings during the regular season last year? Or did you just start calling him that after the one year playoff appearance he had for the Wings in last years playoffs?

Being the homer that you are, I am guessing you werent complaining about his past playoff appearances while he was having a great regular season last year. You probably started that once he signed with the Hawks.

I'll bite. I'm glad Hossa was here, he was fun to watch in the regular season even though he frustrated the hell out of me in the playoffs. I was hoping he was the real deal when it mattered the most and I was hoping he was hungry since he lost it all with Penguins the year prior. He was a disappointment, now he's your curse .

That said, I was bit concerned that Holland might re-sign Hossa over Franzen. I was so glad when he re-signed Franzen. Now Wings will win the cup several more times and for many more years to come to continue the HockeyTown tradition and the Red Wings dynasty.

[Miller Brew 0]

Haha, so injuries hold weight on his performance? In 08' he was the Pen's best player. And in 09' he was injured. Bash him for 09' all you want, but you can't take away how good he was in 08'.

he sure ain't no McCarty or Yzerman. Mr. Invisible did what he does best when it truly matters. Disappears. Hossa was a disappointment for the Penguins too, he had a chance to pull off a McCarty in Game 6 to force a game 7. He just didn't/couldn't. Why? Because he's not a playoff performer. Johan Franzen is. Holland made the right choice.

[Guest Blackhawkdown]

He was a disappointment, now he's your curse .

I really just dont understand this. He kicked ass for the Wings during the regular season, and he was injured during the playoffs. How is that a disappointment. When he was healthy, he played great last season, when he was injured, he struggled. You sound ridiculous, and I am glad that we have Hossa now.

[Carman 387]

he sure ain't no McCarty or Yzerman. Mr. Invisible did what he does best when it truly matters. Disappears. Hossa was a disappointment for the Penguins too, he had a chance to pull off a McCarty in Game 6 to force a game 7. He just didn't/couldn't. Why? Because he's not a playoff performer. Johan Franzen is. Holland made the right choice.

Weesh, all I know is Franzen is injury prone, a diver, not physical at all, and only puts in effort half the time. Hossa is 18x the person Franzen is. Franzen is all about the money, Hossa plays for the love of the game.

Hossa is also a much better leader than Yzerman. And a better fighter than McCarty. And a better hitter than Konstantinov. And a smarter hockey player than Larionov. Faster and better defensively than Fedorov. It's a shame the Wings will never have a player of Hossa's caliber ever again.

Edited January 6, 2010 by Carman

[Rivalred 630]

I really just dont understand this. He kicked ass for the Wings during the regular season, and he was injured during the playoffs. How is that a disappointment. When he was healthy, he played great last season, when he was injured, he struggled. You sound ridiculous, and I am glad that we have Hossa now.

Miller Brew thinks Hossa is a curse to the team whoever he plays for due to whatever team he has played for, went to the SCF and lost; 07-08 for the Penguins and 08-09 for the Wings.

[FIBS 35]

I'll bite. I'm glad Hossa was here, he was fun to watch in the regular season even though he frustrated the hell out of me in the playoffs. I was hoping he was the real deal when it mattered the most and I was hoping he was hungry since he lost it all with Penguins the year prior. He was a disappointment, now he's your curse .

That said, I was bit concerned that Holland might re-sign Hossa over Franzen. I was so glad when he re-signed Franzen. Now Wings will win the cup several more times and for many more years to come to continue the HockeyTown tradition and the Red Wings dynasty.

You, sir, are and idiot. :/

[Miller Brew 0]

Weesh, all I know is Franzen is injury prone, a diver, not physical at all, and only puts in effort half the time. Hossa is 18x the person Franzen is. Franzen is all about the money, Hossa plays for the love of the game.

Hossa is also a much better leader than Yzerman. And a better fighter than McCarty. And a better hitter than Konstantinov. And a smarter hockey player than Larionov. Faster and better defensively than Fedorov. It's a shame the Wings will never have a player of Hossa's caliber ever again.

Whoa, I have to quote this post before you try to edit it. Lol. Classic!

With all your Franzen and Datsyuk hate, maybe you should change teams you root for. I heard Chicago is looking for a few more bandwangon fans. They need to continue that trend to fill their quota.

Edited January 6, 2010 by Miller Brew

[Carman 387]

Whoa, I have to quote this post before you try to edit it. Lol. Classic!

With all your Franzen and Datsyuk hate, maybe you should change teams you root for. I heard Chicago is looking for a few more bandwangon fans. They need to continue that trend to fill their quota.

Sorry I don't jump on band wagos. Red Wings are my team, although they are full of soft Euro pus*#$^. Hossa was probably the most talented Red Wing ever in the history of the franchise, it's a shame he couldn't carry our s***ty team on his back in the playoffs like he did in the regular season.

Edited January 6, 2010 by Carman

[aw1340 0]

What's wrong with 01' or 02' runs?

In the past two playoffs he's had 41 points in 42 games while playing great defensive hockey as a winger. He is a top 5 winger in the game, he's not a playoff "choker". 97 games 76 points is not choking especially with some of the bad Ottawa teams early in his career, I'm not saying he is a great playoff performer, but he is not bad. Not to mention his international performances which have been great. He is an elite player, whether you accept it or not.

Not all of the Ottawa teams he was on were bad. In 01' they finished 2nd in the conference and got swept by the Leafs after Ottawa beat them in every single game during the regular season, then they only managed to score 3 goals in a 4 game series. In 03' they finished high in the conference once again and lost in game 7 of the 3rd round. Decent team in 04' but again got beaten by the Leafs in the first round. Yes Hossa has had decent numbers, but he's far from being a "stud" in the playoffs. One good playoff while playing with two of the best players in the league in Malkin and Crosby and still not winning the cup isn't going to change that. I agree he's an elite player, but only in the regular season because he's proven that. I wish he was still a Wing we could really be using him right now, but he's a division rival so I'm not going to like him anymore.

Once again he's on a cup contending team in the Hawks, he's got another chance to prove people wrong this year. If I was a Hawks fan I'd be praying they don't play Detroit in the first round.

[Carman 387]

Not all of the Ottawa teams he was on were bad. In 01' they finished 2nd in the conference and got swept by the Leafs after Ottawa beat them in every single game during the regular season, then they only managed to score 3 goals in a 4 game series. In 03' they finished high in the conference once again and lost in game 7 of the 3rd round. Decent team in 04' but again got beaten by the Leafs in the first round. Yes Hossa has had decent numbers, but he's far from being a "stud" in the playoffs. One good playoff while playing with two of the best players in the league in Malkin and Crosby and still not winning the cup isn't going to change that. I agree he's an elite player, but only in the regular season because he's proven that. I wish he was still a Wing we could really be using him right now, but he's a division rival so I'm not going to like him anymore.

Once again he's on a cup contending team in the Hawks, he's got another chance to prove people wrong this year. If I was a Hawks fan I'd be praying they don't play Detroit in the first round.

I wasn't making the case that Hossa is a stud playoff player. But to say he is a "choker" is completely wrong when the player is putting up near PPG marks. I don't blame you for not liking Hossa when he is playing for a division rival, that's normal.

[aw1340 0]

I wasn't making the case that Hossa is a stud playoff player. But to say he is a "choker" is completely wrong when the player is putting up near PPG marks. I don't blame you for not liking Hossa when he is playing for a division rival, that's normal.

Didn't you say he was a stud earlier in the thread? Its not so much he's a choker its the teams he's been on that are chokers. He's always been a top winger on those teams so he gets a lot of the blame.

[Miller Brew 0]

Didn't you say he was a stud earlier in the thread? Its not so much he's a choker its the teams he's been on that are chokers. He's always been a top winger on those teams so he gets a lot of the blame.

Yes he did. He's got a rap sheet for being contradictive on this forum.

Edited January 6, 2010 by Miller Brew

[Carman 387]

Didn't you say he was a stud earlier in the thread? Its not so much he's a choker its the teams he's been on that are chokers. He's always been a top winger on those teams so he gets a lot of the blame.

Nah, I said he was a top 5 Winger. And I was sure to say he wasn't the best playoff performer though.

[Zetts 236]

Nah, I said he was a top 5 Winger. And I was sure to say he wasn't the best playoff performer though.

At least the one thing that I'm sure that we can all agree on is that he's a better playoff performer than Crosby.

[aw1340 0]

At least the one thing that I'm sure that we can all agree on is that he's a better playoff performer than Crosby.

Against the Wings he is.