Zetts 236 Report post Posted January 4, 2010 It'd be funny if he requests a trade to Edmonton. It would be funny if anyone requested a trade to Edmonton. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rage 24 Report post Posted January 4, 2010 It would be funny if anyone requested a trade to Edmonton. lol! That my man was funny!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edicius 3,269 Report post Posted January 4, 2010 signing Buowmeester was the best thing they've done in awhile Jokinen on the other hand... Was thinking the same thing. There's a reason teams didn't want Jokinen on their roster. I doubt he's helping the situation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ZetterbergFourty Report post Posted January 4, 2010 Was thinking the same thing. There's a reason teams didn't want Jokinen on their roster. I doubt he's helping the situation. What happened to Jokinen and Iginla lighting it up? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
adubs 8 Report post Posted January 4, 2010 (edited) With Giordano developing into a top 4 defenceman, and the fact that Pardy and Kronwall both deserve to play, it makes sense that they might want to deal Dion for some offence. Not sure what the market is for him though, he's good and young but has been having a rough season. Neither Pardy or Kronwall deserve the number 6 spot. Aaron Johnson has stolen that spot from Pardy but unfortunately I think he is going back to the press box when Sarich and Phaneuf are back. As long as Darryl Sutter is the GM of the Flames I don't think there will be another russian playing for them. Especially not at the cost of Phaneuf and then some. You have to think that Phaneuf has been a Sutter project since he was 15 and realize that one bad year filled with injuries and playing under Mike Keenan is not going to be enough reason for him to be moved out of Calgary. I really don't see how people can call the guy overrated anymore as I hardly see anyone talking of how good he is, it is in fact the opposite now. Sure he is overpaid right now but his contract is for five or six years and the hope is that in the last two years he will be playing at market value or will be a bargain. The situation Darryl Sutter was in was either to let the Norris runner up 23 year old sign an offer sheet and get a whole bunch of picks or to give him a reasonable contract for a 60 point second in Norris voting not in prime yet defensemen. If a Flames defensemen is likely to be traded it would be Sarich in order to make room for the $3-4M contract Bourque is going to be looking for. This rumor was conjured up by a bunch of guys looking for hits to their websites. They're making money off of people that fall for these obvious false rumors. It's not like they have some complex way of doing it - they see Phaneuf's contract and Calgary only scoring 2 goals a game and neglecting that they play a very passive-defensive style of hockey and realize that people think Calgary needs offense and they see that Phaneuf and Brent Sutter had a shouting match after a bad loss and hit the jack pot on hit-producing nonsense. Phaneuf has been playing great so far this season. His poor plus minus and point totals have to do with the fact that he plays with Olli Jokinen who may not be a cancer in the dressing room but the way he plays makes him a team cancer. It's hard to put up points when Iginla only cares half the time and the centerman on the first line is the dumbest hockey player that the Flames have had since before the lockout. The lines right now appear to have been fixed but Phaneuf was hit with a case of accidental slew-foot. I think this is the longest post I've ever written. Edited January 4, 2010 by adubs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DyingAlive 27 Report post Posted January 4, 2010 Would it be that surprising if he wanted to go to the Oilers? He's from there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king_malice 17 Report post Posted January 4, 2010 first off there is no way chicago signs kovy ! your out of your mind if you think there is a way! and what about phanuef to the wings ! lidstrom is a 7.5mill player and is in the last year of his contract not sayin lidstrom is the one to get traded because that wont happen but lieno couple prospects maybe ,maybe meech ,lebda also free agent after this season just saying might be some possibilties of a package deal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shady Ultima 40 Report post Posted January 4, 2010 Leino, Meech, Lebda AND our next 2 first round picks are hardly enough. That's basically Phaneuf, a decent offensive D-Man... for NOTHING. A rookie 'with potential' and a 6/7 D men for a top 4? No way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozen-Man 144 Report post Posted January 4, 2010 Yes because it makes more sense for the Thrashers to lose Kovalchuk for nothing. :rollseyes: No, it doesn't make more sense to lose Kovy for nothing but that is not Atlanta's only option and is most likely not even close to the best one that they could get. I dunno, it could work in Chicago's favor. They're going to have to dump salary in the offseason anyway, why not get a great player that can help them win. It sucks to think about it, but if they can work something out it would help them tremendously. I don't think it would be that great for Chicago, the salary dump to get Kovy would have to be some really good assets or Atlanta would never agree to the trade, look at what all The Pens had to give up to get Hossa and Chicago will have to give up roster players to get their cap down. I think that they would most likely have to give up way to much for him when they could trade away the same pieces for future picks (unless they decide this is the year to go for it and at further expense to the future). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeeRYCE 2 Report post Posted January 4, 2010 Kovalchuk for Phaneuf and Rene Bourque or a decent draft pick or something like that would be ideal. Phaneuf for Kovalchuk straight up would be big win for Calgary. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DangleDangleBeach 16 Report post Posted January 4, 2010 phaneuf is EXACTLY what we need when we lose #5 to retirement. a hard hitting monster with a rocket who will toss the dogs when needed.... makes my heart happy to think about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted January 4, 2010 phaneuf is EXACTLY what we need when we lose #5 to retirement. a hard hitting monster with a rocket who will toss the dogs when needed.... makes my heart happy to think about. Phaneuf...to replace Lidstrom? Phaneuf would be the second or third best defenseman on the team if he were to replace Lidstrom on the team after this season. Phaneuf is a good defenseman, but the Wings have some damn good defensemen already. Yeah, it would be better than getting nobody, but there are a lot of better options than getting Phaneuf, too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Finnish Wing 110 Report post Posted January 4, 2010 Phaneuf...to replace Lidstrom? Phaneuf would be the second or third best defenseman on the team if he were to replace Lidstrom on the team after this season. Phaneuf is a good defenseman, but the Wings have some damn good defensemen already. Yeah, it would be better than getting nobody, but there are a lot of better options than getting Phaneuf, too. I. Want. Doughty. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
adubs 8 Report post Posted January 4, 2010 Kovalchuk for Phaneuf and Rene Bourque or a decent draft pick or something like that would be ideal. Phaneuf for Kovalchuk straight up would be big win for Calgary. Phaneuf and Bourque is an overpayment for a guy that has demonstrated a lack of heart. With Phaneuf they are giving up there number 2/3 dman and with Bourque included they would be giving up their best forward. Sure Kovalchuk is great but he reeks of money player and has even said he wouldn't want to play in a Canadian market. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted January 4, 2010 Phaneuf...to replace Lidstrom? Phaneuf would be the second or third best defenseman on the team if he were to replace Lidstrom on the team after this season. Phaneuf is a good defenseman, but the Wings have some damn good defensemen already. Yeah, it would be better than getting nobody, but there are a lot of better options than getting Phaneuf, too. Phaneuf has had abad season but lets not forget how old he is and that he was already a norris runner up in his career. He would be just about the best replacement you could get for Lids besides like Chara. Not to mention how long we could have him as a wing because he is so young. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted January 5, 2010 Phaneuf has had abad season but lets not forget how old he is and that he was already a norris runner up in his career. He would be just about the best replacement you could get for Lids besides like Chara. Not to mention how long we could have him as a wing because he is so young. I would rather have the following, by far, if we're picking a young replacement for when Nick retires: Duncan Keith, Drew Doughty, Shea Weber, Paul Martin, Alexander Edler. There are others who are older who I would also take, but I was looking for guys who were really on the lines of young defensemen with a high ceiling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest zackmorris Report post Posted January 5, 2010 He gets paid what? 6 mil? Ok well let's take a look at him. GOOD -Has a good shot -Hits well -Looks like a cromag. May frighten opponents BAD -Mediocre to bad positioning. -Doesn't pinch up when he should, pinches when he shouldn't. -Is said by many to have an uncoachable, hot shot attitude. I've met him living in CGY and so have a few friends-we all agreed he set off the ****** radar. -He's prone to undisciplined penalties. -Scores well, but not nearly enough for a guy quarterbacking a PP. -Looks like a cromag. May frighten future spouse or significant other. If you're going to get paid 6 mil, you'd either better be awesome defensively, like close to Lids or Chara or Pronger defensively....or you'd better be Mike Green offensively. Nothing in between. Because right now, he's basically a forward who scores 50 points a season for 6 million dollars a year. The Flames were absolutely retarded to keep Jokinen and let Cam walk. Just pure idiocy right there. They could offset that blunder by moving Phaneuf for a king's ransom while they still can. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
adubs 8 Report post Posted January 5, 2010 (edited) I've heard just as many bad comments of Phaneuf's attitude towards fans as I have good comments. Who has said he is uncoachable? Flames defenseman are afraid to pinch (exception Giordano). Him and Regehr have been a great shutdown pairing, the only thing that has been hurting them is the Jokinen-Iginla disaster. It's hard to run a powerplay when the other four guys see it as an opportunity to stand around and do nothing for two minutes. He is tenth in defenseman goalscoring on a team that is scared to play offensively. He is third in powerplay goals on a team that is 28th in powerplay opportunities. The first in PPG plays on a team that is 3rd in PP opportunities. Have you watched the Flames this season other then the two Detroit games? Edited January 5, 2010 by adubs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest zackmorris Report post Posted January 6, 2010 I've heard just as many bad comments of Phaneuf's attitude towards fans as I have good comments. Who has said he is uncoachable? No one is going to just come out and say it. When has it been said about anyone? You never hear it, but are we to believe every single player isn't a hto shot uncoachable ******? Doubtful. Look at all the red flags. He constantly tries to do everything himself, doesn't pass when he should, doesn't like criticism, supposedly got into a shouting match with a new coach who doesn't tolerate bulls*** like his previous ones. He's nto afraid to pinch, he just does it at the wrong times. They're all doing it less now that Sutter is there but the problem still exists. Him and Regehr have been a great shutdown pairing, the only thing that has been hurting them is the Jokinen-Iginla disaster. It's hard to run a powerplay when the other four guys see it as an opportunity to stand around and do nothing for two minutes. He is tenth in defenseman goalscoring on a team that is scared to play offensively. He is third in powerplay goals on a team that is 28th in powerplay opportunities. The first in PPG plays on a team that is 3rd in PP opportunities. Have you watched the Flames this season other then the two Detroit games? Yes. I've actually watched all of them. I live in Calgary. As for your numbers, well, I don't get how the hell you think they're relevant. It's not even a subtle spin job. Third in PP goals for the Flames? Awesome. He has 4 PPG. You tried to make it sound great with your choice of words but second on the whole team isn't great when the number is only 4. Overall, and I mean league overall, he's no where near the top. If we're to break it down into solely defensemen, he's in a massive tie for 4th. With 4. Nothing spectacular if you really dig deep. Oh and 10th in Dman goal scoring? Awesome, well, not really but let's pretend it is. Why didn't you bring up any other categories? Why so specific? Well, the usual answer: because he's not very good at any of the others. He's somewhere around 50th in defenseman scoring overall and is only at +1. Now that his scoring has been addressed and shown that he's not that special, why didn't you bring up the real issue here? His positioning. It sucks, and it's so bad even the drone-like clueless hockey fans in this city have realized it. Even the newspapers who love the guy have knocked him. The real stud Dman in Calgary is Bouwmeester and it's sickening that he didn't make team Canada. It's also sickening that some people in this city wondered why Phaneuf didn't make it (with a straight face). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cusimano_brothers 1,655 Report post Posted January 9, 2010 From TSN : It appears the rumours of Dion Phaneuf's trade request have been greatly exaggerated. When the Calgary Flames' blueliner was asked about the rumour by reporters after practice on Friday, Phaneuf made his feelings perfectly clear. "I have never asked for a trade and I'm very happy here," Phaneuf told reporters. "That hasn't even crossed my mind so for you to be asking me these questions today, it's a huge surprise." ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rage 24 Report post Posted January 9, 2010 From TSN : Welcome to the age of the Internet Dion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zettie85 106 Report post Posted January 10, 2010 Phaneuf and Bourque is an overpayment for a guy that has demonstrated a lack of heart. With Phaneuf they are giving up there number 2/3 dman and with Bourque included they would be giving up their best forward. Sure Kovalchuk is great but he reeks of money player and has even said he wouldn't want to play in a Canadian market. I'd be bored to be playing in Atlanta for 7 years too! He seems like a money player? He has had nothing else to play for but himself there. No chance at a championship, salary dumping so he really never has any one to play with and the fact that they had financial/ownership problems doesn't make it a great place to play in. No superstar wants to play for a bottom feeder. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rage 24 Report post Posted January 10, 2010 And to be fair, I don't blame Kovalchuk for not wanting to play in a Canadian Market if he really said that! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zettie85 106 Report post Posted January 10, 2010 (edited) And to be fair, I don't blame Kovalchuk for not wanting to play in a Canadian Market if he really said that! Why not? What's wrong with Canada, eh? Edited January 10, 2010 by zettie85 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CaliWingsNut Report post Posted January 10, 2010 Why not? What's wrong with Canada, eh? plunty... I'm not saying the US is better, but it may be to him. Lots of differences, good and bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
