What would you give up for Kovalchuk

[TheCaptain19 49]

well he does look good in red and white... aha

[Echolalia 2,961]

This is what I'm thinking...If Kovalchuk, and Dats mesh well in the Olympics - might that be enough for Kovalchuk to sign with Detroit this summer?

Only catch to fit him on the Wings payroll would probably be Lidstrom's retirement (or a serious paycut for next season), along with others not coming back.

Actually I think its possible to have both Lids and Kovy under the cap for respectable amounts, at least it was last time I checked. That is unless Kovy really is asking 12M or some ridiculous number. By respectable I mean around 7M.

[zettie85 106]

Actually I think its possible to have both Lids and Kovy under the cap for respectable amounts, at least it was last time I checked. That is unless Kovy really is asking 12M or some ridiculous number. By respectable I mean around 7M.

Isn't the max contract around 10 mil per year? He won't take anything reasonable to come tous. I could see getting him for mil but really he has to be in for the long haul. I don't want anymore stars for 1 year anymore.

Edited January 15, 2010 by zettie85

[king_malice 17]

its not going to take kronwall flip helm and howard thats crazy why do you think LA is the top runner right now for him tons of young players and draft picks and the other rumor is bruins might be willing to move chara so dont be surprised if he goes and one of those first round picks from the leafs go to i think i good offer from the wins realisticly would be flip,abdelkader/meech/lebda,first round pick this year and a pick for next year. your not gonna find to many other teams that could offer a guy like flip easily a 1st liner on other teams but goes anywhere from 1st -3rd when the wings are healthy. thrashers want young guys and picks theyre not looking for a 1 for 1 trade i doubt like the canes might move stall i cant see them doing that probably gonna go young and rebuild

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thats moving or without in the lineup holmstrom(free agent at the end of season) lebda,meech,flip

that clears up about 6.4million and kovalchuks cap hit for the 09-10 season is 6.4million

now if you move holstrom,lebda,meech,flip and possible picks i know seems like alot but imagine the wings with a "PURE" goal scorer playing with datsyuk the wings have plenty of young guys coming up......just a thought but still an amazing line setup ^ with kovy

[Echolalia 2,961]

Quick question: does Abby have any minor league options next year or is he required to be in the NHL?

[Jesusberg 1,256]

NHL10 is reality baby. Don't you forget it

You're damn right it is... the problem is that Kovy wants like 9 million in the next season

In all seriousness, though, it would take a lot to land him. We'd have to pick a solid prospect, and NHL calibre player and picks, as some have suggested. It's hard to give up someone Tatar or, and draft picks are so valuable these days.

But in return you'd be getting a bona fide sniper to play on Datsyuk's wing. Zetterberg could then be split up and placed with Franzen to form two very solid lines. If the cap number and length were right I'd give almost anyone up outside of our core players and a few select prospects.

Edited January 15, 2010 by Jesusberg

[brett 1,029]

leino lebda meech williams PEACE

[mmamolo 287]

It would be a tough bargain, but I'd give up E_S_A_D and/or mindfly so this team can get Kovalchuk.

hell, I'd even throw in Carman just for the hell of it...although that might nix the deal from Atlanta's perspective...as he'd be a salary dump from our forum

[Echolalia 2,961]

hell, I'd even throw in Carman just for the hell of it...although that might nix the deal from Atlanta's perspective...as he'd be a salary dump from our forum

How much is Carman bringing in these days?

[king_malice 17]

see i have heard different stories about kovy there was an interview with him sayin he has enough money its not about the money he wants long term and then ive heard he wants like 10yrs/10mill which i think is just to bust atlantas balls like f*** you im not signing type of thing but if the wings pulled it off i cant see him turning down like a 7yr-7mill contract to play on a contender every year and the chance to play with other type guys in the league i think if he had that choice he'd be all over it

[Datsyerberger 279]

see i have heard different stories about kovy there was an interview with him sayin he has enough money its not about the money he wants long term and then ive heard he wants like 10yrs/10mill which i think is just to bust atlantas balls like f*** you im not signing type of thing but if the wings pulled it off i cant see him turning down like a 7yr-7mill contract to play on a contender every year and the chance to play with other type guys in the league i think if he had that choice he'd be all over it

I think if I had a choice to throw a period or a semicolon or something into this paragraph I'd be all over it.

Anyhow, I see Kovalchuk getting more than 7m. Try more like 8 long term.

Edited January 15, 2010 by Datsyerberger

[Frozen-Man 144]

I think if I had a choice to throw a period or a semicolon or something into this paragraph I'd be all over it.

[king_malice 17]

english class is the next forum over.......anyhow no team can afford 8mill not one top team and there is no way kovy is going to another s*** team long term try again

[king_malice 17]

lol you actually think he will go to a team like leafs because its those kinda teams that can afford it for 8mill instead of the wings at 7mill!!?!?!? lol

Edited January 15, 2010 by king_malice

[zettie85 106]

http://www.capgeek.com/cap_calculator.php

Don't know if this looks good to anyone else.

Edit: Link doesn't work never mind.

FORWARDS

* Ilya Kovalchuk ($9.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m)

Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)

* Todd Bertuzzi ($1.700m) / Kris Draper ($1.583m) / * Darren Helm ($1.100m)

* Justin Abdelkader ($0.850m) / * Patrick Eaves ($0.800m) / * Drew Miller ($0.700m)

* Kirk Maltby ($0.600m)

DEFENSEMEN

Brian Rafalski ($6.000m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)

Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($0.900m)

* Derek Meech ($0.700m) / * Doug Janik ($0.700m)

* Brett Lebda ($0.650m)

GOALTENDERS

Chris Osgood ($1.417m) / Jimmy Howard ($0.717m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS

ROSTER: 22; PAYROLL: $56.705m; CAP ROOM: $0.095m BONUSES: $0.000m

As long as the cap stays as is.

Edited January 15, 2010 by zettie85

[Datsyerberger 279]

lol you actually think he will go to a team like leafs because its those kinda teams that can afford it for 8mill instead of the wings at 7mill!!?!?!? lol

Nope, Kovalchuk doesn't want to play for a Canadian team, anyhow. 8m on the Bolts or another team like that on the way up? I could see that.

Kovalchuk - Lecavalier - St Louis

Malone - Stamkos - Downie

Ouch. That would make the SE as seriously more competitive division (and epic lol if Kovalchuk goes to a division rival besides. Oh, the booing would be glorious...)

[king_malice 17]

why would he wanna go to the bolts when vinny is in the 1st year of his huge contract and he wants out of it !

[Datsyerberger 279]

why would he wanna go to the bolts when vinny is in the 1st year of his huge contract and he wants out of it !

Because the spotlight of criticism is already on someone else and not him. Kovalchuk isn't one to care for a lot of media attention.

[king_malice 17]

lol tampa has tons of media always on them whether its ownership or on vinny and if kovy goes there you and the team doesnt do any better there not going to be all over him ?! hes not going to a team thats lower then 9th this season! he has been on a losing team long enough he doesn't want to wait another 2-3 seasons for teams to get going

[e_prime 1,936]

FORWARDS

* Ilya Kovalchuk ($9.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m)

Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)

* Todd Bertuzzi ($1.700m) / Kris Draper ($1.583m) / * Darren Helm ($1.100m)

* Justin Abdelkader ($0.850m) / * Patrick Eaves ($0.800m) / * Drew Miller ($0.700m)

* Kirk Maltby ($0.600m)

DEFENSEMEN

Brian Rafalski ($6.000m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)

Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($0.900m)

* Derek Meech ($0.700m) / * Doug Janik ($0.700m)

* Brett Lebda ($0.650m)

GOALTENDERS

Chris Osgood ($1.417m) / Jimmy Howard ($0.717m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS

ROSTER: 22; PAYROLL: $56.705m; CAP ROOM: $0.095m BONUSES: $0.000m

I like this but, that $9 million number is really hard to swallow.

If it were more like $7-8 million, I'd feel better about it.

A little more cap space to work with...

Also hard to swallow is that Lidstrom is not on this list.

I think if we lose Lidstrom we definitely need an upgrade with our 6-7 d-men in Meech and Lebda. (Janik rates higher than either)

These two do not need to/should not be resigned... and that's where the smaller cap number for Kovy would work nicely.

Also, if there is no re-signing of Holmstrom, I do not think there needs to be a re-signing of Maltby.

All in all, going after Kovy as a free agent is the only way I can see the Wings getting him. (...and I really don't think it's gonna happen)

As we do not have the luxury of cap space like we did for the Hossa signing,

I cannot fathom Holland giving up home-grown, system developed talent to go after a star forward that won't immediately fit in our system.

Sure, Kovy's offense would certainly help in shoring up a playoff spot and in the playoffs themselves, but that's a moot point when factoring in the price the Wings would pay in depth to get him.

On top of that, while it seems silly at this point, Atlanta seems to think that there will be no extension negotiations to possible rental suitors.

That's a deal-breaker...

EDIT: Clarity.

Edited January 15, 2010 by e_prime

[zettie85 106]

lol tampa has tons of media always on them whether its ownership or on vinny and if kovy goes there you and the team doesnt do any better there not going to be all over him ?! hes not going to a team thats lower then 9th this season! he has been on a losing team long enough he doesn't want to wait another 2-3 seasons for teams to get going

I think you are right he had Heatley as well as Hossa and Savard as team mates before and they couldn't do anything. I think he wants a consistent playoff team.

[Miller Brew 0]

What playoff team is going to give up their best young player on the team, starting goalie, and a top 6 forward or a top 4 defenseman, none of which who have reached their prime?

Chicago.

[e_prime 1,936]

Chicago.

Like everyone else in the league, Atlanta doesn't want the Campbell or Huet contracts if that's what you're suggesting...

but they are going to have to dump some salary, so I wouldn't be surprised to see them make a decent offer to get Kovy as a rental for the playoffs.

[king_malice 17]

ya chicago could do it but they would be worse off then detriot they would need to move sharp versteeg,sopel and baker or another guy just to make the room but could never afford to resign him next season so it would be dumb for them to move out those guys for one season. the wings on the other hand could move flip,holmstrom,lebda,meech and it wouldnt matter 3 are free agents at the end of the year anyway and if lidstrom retires we have an easier time resignin kovy or lidtrom signs a 1yr-1mill

[wingsdiehard13 33]

Chicago.

And what do you suggest Chicago offer?