Puck passing the goal line detection

[bdavis 28]

I have an idea that might work for situations where the goal is questionable, in regards to the puck passing the goal line or not.

There should be some type of electronic strip on the goal line, and when the puck passes it, it triggers the goal light. I know that will probably never happen in this day and age of the NHL (especially if screwing is the main reason why some are called and some aren't), but it seems like they would have something like this. It isn't technologically impossible. Seems quite simple to me actually. I'm just so very sick of seeing a good goal not called, and a no goal called as a goal. This must end. I will stop watching any NHL games if it doesn't. I'm sorry but it just ruins it for me.

Edited January 16, 2010 by bd2988

[RedWingsRox 614]

I think the iphone has that app already.

[VM1138 1,921]

I have an idea that might work for situations where the goal is questionable, in regards to the puck passing the goal line or not.

There should be some type of electronic strip on the goal line, and when the puck passes it, it triggers the goal light. I know that will probably never happen in this day and age of the NHL (especially if screwing is the main reason why some are called and some aren't), but it seems like they would have something like this. It isn't technologically impossible. Seems quite simple to me actually. I'm just so very sick of seeing a good goal not called, and a no goal called as a goal. This must end. I will stop watching any NHL games if it doesn't.

Of all the suggestions I've heard...that's actually not crazy. If it's technologically possible. It would mess with the puck weight and distribution, though, I bet. That might make it not feasible.

[Lovin Jiri Fischer 147]

It's the NHL. If they wanted to be accurate, don't you think they would have already used technology?

[bdavis 28]

Of all the suggestions I've heard...that's actually not crazy. If it's technologically possible. It would mess with the puck weight and distribution, though, I bet. That might make it not feasible.

With micro technology, I think they could do it without messing with the pucks weight. It could be as simple as painting some type of substance on the puck that triggers the strip on the goal line (like painting the teams logo with the substance).

[Miller Brew 0]

NHL is a ******* JOKE

[Bannedforlife 403]

Of all the suggestions I've heard...that's actually not crazy. If it's technologically possible. It would mess with the puck weight and distribution, though, I bet. That might make it not feasible.

Someone should invent one, and then give it to the KHL.

[bdavis 28]

I agree completely that the NHL is a joke, hence why they would never implement anything like this.

[Guest scottj]

i'm sure some linesmen would STILL find a reason to f*** some teams over if this happened... i was thinking of a way they could do this but this seems like a good ida

[RedWingsRox 614]

They probably have the technology but then if the NHL used it, they would lose the ability to determine outcome of games and we couldn't take that privilege away from them.

[55fan 5,133]

The only problem I could see, if I'm understanding you correctly, is that the puck has to completely be over the goal line. I can see how it would detect when it reached it, but not if it was completely over it.

I'm not very bright, though. So you may be on to something.

The War Room would have nothing to fear. They still have intent to blow.

[bdavis 28]

The only problem I could see, if I'm understanding you correctly, is that the puck has to completely be over the goal line. I can see how it would detect when it reached it, but not if it was completely over it.

I'm not very bright, though. So you may be on to something.

The War Room would have nothing to fear. They still have intent to blow.

I would see it as kind of like a land-mine, where the puck is on it, and once it passes it triggers. I just know for a fact that something like this could easily be worked out, and implemented.

In regards to the intent to blow, at least there would be more conclusive evidence that the puck did in fact go over the line. There would at least be some ground to stand on. Also it would show the world how much of a screwing it was if the ref did actually "have the intent to blow", and the puck did in fact go over the line and trigger the mechanism.

[55fan 5,133]

I would see it as kind of like a land-mine, where the puck is on it, and once it passes it triggers. I just know for a fact that something like this could easily be worked out, and implemented.

In regards to the intent to blow, at least there would be more conclusive evidence that the puck did in fact go over the line. There would at least be some ground to stand on. Also it would show the world how much of a screwing it was if the ref did actually "have the intent to blow", and the puck did in fact go over the line and trigger the mechanism.

Ah, I see what you're saying now. Thank you.

Unfortunately, the intent to blow would overrule it anyway. All the ref would have to do is come up with a lame "I saw a penalty and was just about to call it" excuse. As he's looking at the replays, he could spot something that would pass.

[RedWingsRox 614]

Ah yes, the 'intent to blow' ... how could I forget that weapon up their sleeve?

Kind of like veto power.

[hooon 1,089]

Why would the NHL ever take away their own ability to control who wins games?

[Yzermania 156]

i think it wpould be too flawed. Something would have to be placed inside the puck for it to work, which one would raise costs, two would change the dynamic of the puck. If it just signaled when something went across then every time the goalie's pads, stick or a player flying into the net went over it, it would think its a goal. Plus there's the whole thing of the puck having to completely cross the line, so lets say they put something in the puck to trigger the goal line, it would go off simply when the puck is ON the goal line, rather than over.

Edited January 16, 2010 by Yzermania

[kook_10 1,705]

i think it wpould be too flawed. Something would have to be placed inside the puck for it to work, which one would raise costs, two would change the dynamic of the puck. If it just signaled when something went across then every time the goalie's pads, stick or a player flying into the net went over it, it would think its a goal. Plus there's the whole thing of the puck having to completely cross the line, so lets say they put something in the puck to trigger the goal line, it would go off simply when the puck is ON the goal line, rather than over.

Someone could probably do something with RF tags, which are ridiculously small these days, but there would be a few big challenges. You are right, it would be a challenge to ensure the puck's dynamics aren't changed by putting something really tiny in the middle. Strength of signal through the rubber of the puck could be an issue, being frozen may be an issue, and certainly being rugged enough to take a 100+ mph slapshot would be an issue. If there were antennae in the goalposts and the crossbar then the position could be triangulated, so it would know if the puck went over. Since the puck is 3 inches in diameter and the goal line is 2in wide, you would also know if it crossed the line by only signaling a goal when the center of the puck is 2.5in past the center of the goal line (where the receivers would be positioned in the middle of the goal posts).

[CenterIce 83]

Someone could probably do something with RF tags, which are ridiculously small these days, but there would be a few big challenges. You are right, it would be a challenge to ensure the puck's dynamics aren't changed by putting something really tiny in the middle. Strength of signal through the rubber of the puck could be an issue, being frozen may be an issue, and certainly being rugged enough to take a 100+ mph slapshot would be an issue. If there were antennae in the goalposts and the crossbar then the position could be triangulated, so it would know if the puck went over. Since the puck is 3 inches in diameter and the goal line is 2in wide, you would also know if it crossed the line by only signaling a goal when the center of the puck is 2.5in past the center of the goal line (where the receivers would be positioned in the middle of the goal posts).

The last time they tried putting something in the puck was the Fox Trax system. They couldn't freeze the puck correctly because of it. This made the puck bounce all over the place. Any thing they place in the puck would have to handle the freezing.

[MTU_Huskies963 398]

http://science.discovery.com/videos/popsci...t-football.html

GPS would work well for this situation.

[Miller Brew 0]

Here's an idea. NHL should start disciplining officials for doing a poor job. If I mess up at my work this bad, I'll get disciplined or fired. And rightfully so.

I think the NHL is rigged. Look at Burrows for being fined $2,500 telling the world about how messed up the league is.

[CenterIce 83]

http://science.discovery.com/videos/popsci...t-football.html

GPS would work well for this situation.

I don't believe GPS can discern a matter of millimeters between a puck and a goal line.

[ceebs 2]

If the NHL wanted to install a system like this, I don't believe it would be too difficult, without a doubt there is the technology available.

All they would have to do was install the sensor the width of a puck inside the goal line, that way if any part of the puck touched the sensor it's over the goal line and a goal. Something metallic, mixed evenly into the rubber before the pucks are molded could be used. An extremely small amount of foreign material would be enough to trigger a sensor and shouldnt change the dynamics too much, they'd still be able to freeze the pucks (a problem with the fox pucks). My point is it could be done, but evidently is something the NHL is not interested in.

[Guest Four]

It wouldn't really work, because even if it went slightly over the line, the censor would go off.. I think.

[travis08 3]

If the NHL wanted to install a system like this, I don't believe it would be too difficult, without a doubt there is the technology available.

All they would have to do was install the sensor the width of a puck inside the goal line, that way if any part of the puck touched the sensor it's over the goal line and a goal. Something metallic, mixed evenly into the rubber before the pucks are molded could be used. An extremely small amount of foreign material would be enough to trigger a sensor and shouldnt change the dynamics too much, they'd still be able to freeze the pucks (a problem with the fox pucks). My point is it could be done, but evidently is something the NHL is not interested in.

Two major problems to what you are suggesting.

1. You are assuming that the puck is perfectly horizontal when it goes in the goal. This may be true for one sliding flat on the ice, but not for probably the majority of goals in the league.

2. The magical sensors you talk about might be able to pick up a puck that touches them, but a sensor triggered by metal as you suggest probably isn't going to accurately pick up a puck flying through the air.

I tend to think this is something both the NFL and NHL would love to enact, but it's probably a little more difficult to implement than most layman think. Remember either league that implements this is going to want it to be 100% accurate.

[ceebs 2]

Two major problems to what you are suggesting.

1. You are assuming that the puck is perfectly horizontal when it goes in the goal. This may be true for one sliding flat on the ice, but not for probably the majority of goals in the league.

2. The magical sensors you talk about might be able to pick up a puck that touches them, but a sensor triggered by metal as you suggest probably isn't going to accurately pick up a puck flying through the air.

I tend to think this is something both the NFL and NHL would love to enact, but it's probably a little more difficult to implement than most layman think. Remember either league that implements this is going to want it to be 100% accurate.

1. I would say the majority of the goals in question (under a goalies pad, goalie pulling it out of the net ect... are fairly close to flat. Pucks on edge are harder to pick up by cameras and harder to judge by ref's so it would be no different for a sensor system.

2. This isnt going to pick up shots, as it is fairly obvious when a puck flying through the air goes in using video replay. It's for all the goalmouth scrambles similar to the one against howard today.

My point was if the NHL wanted this to happen it would and I'm sure if they hired a team of engineers they could come up with something more feasible than what I thought of in under 5 minutes. I do believe it could be done with the technology available.