Sammy's kicking our ***

[hillbillywingsfan 794]

whatever...keep loving sammy if you like but he sucked when he was here. i don't want him back. we need alot more then just sammy back on this team to make it better.

[Mors 201]

whatever...keep loving sammy if you like but he sucked when he was here. i don't want him back. we need alot more then just sammy back on this team to make it better.

This.

Detroit isn't Vancouver, who cares what he's doing now, he wasn't doing it here.

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

whatever...keep loving sammy if you like but he sucked when he was here. i don't want him back. we need alot more then just sammy back on this team to make it better.

How did he suck here? He was a 40 point 2-way player for 1.5 million on the 3rd line. He was a great value. No one is saying he would be putting those points up here, or that he is a stud, but to say he sucked just shows your ignorance of hockey in general. Probably another person on here who thinks their 2 years of house hockey when they were 7 and watching the playoffs on NBC makes them an expert.

But whatever, you will most probably just ignore posts directed to you as usual.

Back on topic: Good for Sammy, getting more money and more respect. Say what you want, but he had some hidden talent and occasionally could play like an elite player, albiet just fora game at a time. I doubt having him stay here would've made much of a difference but I bet we'd have at least 2-4 more wins.

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

whatever...keep loving sammy if you like but he sucked when he was here. i don't want him back. we need alot more then just sammy back on this team to make it better.

How did he suck here? He was a 40 point 2-way player for 1.5 million on the 3rd line. He was a great value. No one is saying he would be putting those points up here, or that he is a stud, but to say he sucked just shows your ignorance of hockey in general. Probably another person on here who thinks their 2 years of house hockey when they were 7 and watching the playoffs on NBC makes them an expert.

But whatever, you will most probably just ignore posts directed to you as usual.

Back on topic: Good for Sammy, getting more money and more respect. Say what you want, but he had some hidden talent and occasionally could play like an elite player, albiet just fora game at a time. I doubt having him stay here would've made much of a difference but I bet we'd have at least 2-4 more wins.

[T.Low 1,011]

This.

Detroit isn't Vancouver, who cares what he's doing now, he wasn't doing it here.

You are correct, Detroit is not Vancouver. Vancouver is currently seeded 6th vs Detroit 9th, and Vancouver has a plus 36 vs Detroit's -2, and Vancouver has the current scoring leader while Detroit's scoring leader is, well...a couple pages back.

Don't shoot the messenger. I said it was killing me.

[hillbillywingsfan 794]

How did he suck here? He was a 40 point 2-way player for 1.5 million on the 3rd line. He was a great value. No one is saying he would be putting those points up here, or that he is a stud, but to say he sucked just shows your ignorance of hockey in general. Probably another person on here who thinks their 2 years of house hockey when they were 7 and watching the playoffs on NBC makes them an expert.

But whatever, you will most probably just ignore posts directed to you as usual.

Back on topic: Good for Sammy, getting more money and more respect. Say what you want, but he had some hidden talent and occasionally could play like an elite player, albiet just fora game at a time. I doubt having him stay here would've made much of a difference but I bet we'd have at least 2-4 more wins.

my ignorance in hockey? hahaha you have to be a whiper snapper. hahaha young'n. how many goals did he score compared to now...thats what i said moron. read it again. you guys keep hitting on how many goals he;s scoring now. how many did he score with us?

back when he was on here the team as a whole was alot better...if he was doing so well don't you think they would have tried to keep him more so then what they did? people like you foget how much he screwed up. the only reason he was worth anything really was because he could make those goals in the times that we really needed them like in the playoffs. other then that there are plenty of other players that i would rather have on this team then him back.

its funny how people like you go to this Probably another person on here who thinks their 2 years of house hockey when they were 7 and watching the playoffs on NBC makes them an expert. when someone disagrees with you. what were you some pro nhl hockey player or something? not everyone can have your hockey knowledge. hahahaha

and you pretty much answered the reason why i don't pay attention to your posts. hahahahah

Edited January 20, 2010 by hillbillywingsfan

[puckbags 863]

I have an over under with my friend (a Canucks fan) on how many goals Sammy would get in Vancouver this year. I took the over on 27 and it's looking pretty close !

[Mors 201]

You are correct, Detroit is not Vancouver. Vancouver is currently seeded 6th vs Detroit 9th, and Vancouver has a plus 36 vs Detroit's -2, and Vancouver has the current scoring leader while Detroit's scoring leader is, well...a couple pages back.

Don't shoot the messenger. I said it was killing me.

And none of that has anything to do with Samuelsson.

[Theophany 110]

True. And so far it earns us the 9th seed in the playoffs. Cigars for everyone!

And if we win tomorrow night, we're tied for 6th. Oh s***!

We're not even close to out of the playoffs, so sit your ass down and quit your bitching.

[titanium2 867]

Hey you can learn a lot from house hockey.

[Broken 16 381]

I know he shanked a lot of shots and I hated him on the point as much as anyone. But I knew I would miss Sammy. He was one of our keys in puck possession imo.

[Guest Crymson]

Zetterberg only missed 8 games, and has already played nearly that many since his return. Datsyuk hasn't missed any games from what I remember. Bertuzzi has been having a great year by Wings standards, yet Sammy is outscoring him. Franzen is the only guy with an excuse to be outscored by Sammy, since he's been out all year.

The OP did a great job showing just how bad we've been offensively.

Stats like these are sad, but put things into perspective very well.

Let's use these stats in order to do the only thing we can do with them: panic.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Let's use these stats in order to do the only thing we can do with them: panic.

I agree.

These stats are a good example of why we should panic. I mean when Sammy is outscoring the entire Wings team, that's as good a reason to panic as any.

Hell has frozen over.

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

my ignorance in hockey? hahaha you have to be a whiper snapper. hahaha young'n. how many goals did he score compared to now...thats what i said moron. read it again. you guys keep hitting on how many goals he;s scoring now. how many did he score with us?

back when he was on here the team as a whole was alot better...if he was doing so well don't you think they would have tried to keep him more so then what they did? people like you foget how much he screwed up. the only reason he was worth anything really was because he could make those goals in the times that we really needed them like in the playoffs. other then that there are plenty of other players that i would rather have on this team then him back.

its funny how people like you go to this Probably another person on here who thinks their 2 years of house hockey when they were 7 and watching the playoffs on NBC makes them an expert. when someone disagrees with you. what were you some pro nhl hockey player or something? not everyone can have your hockey knowledge. hahahaha

and you pretty much answered the reason why i don't pay attention to your posts. hahahahah

Have you ever once made a reply to a post actually defending your point of view, or do you just rant and say HAHAHAHAH a lot and act as your ludicrous and stupid accusations are valid.

Your name fits you well, you clearly have the reading comprehension skills of a Hillbilly. Nowhere in my post did I say that he would be putting up those numbers on this team currently. My arguement was that you said that he sucked, which is untrue, especially when players of similar salarys are compared. It's funny how people like you go to "and you pretty much answered the reason why i don't pay attention to your posts. hahahaha" you hypocrite.

Replying to your bolded: yes he did make screwups, but if you honestly think that the Wings would be worse off if we had him on this team and that he "sucked' than I'm honestly flabbergasted.

And for the record I did have a cup of coffee in juniors and most probably understand and know more about faucets of the game than you even realize they were there.[/b] ( Feel free to PM me if you dispute the claim, I'll tell you my name and show you proof of being drafted as well as a link to my facebook where you can send me a message to show im not just an imposter). Was I a stud player? No, but I am willing to bet that I have more experiance playing with NHL talent than 95-99% of this boar

Edited January 20, 2010 by EZBAKETHAGANGSTA

[dropkickshanahans 463]

my ignorance in hockey? hahaha you have to be a whiper snapper. hahaha young'n. how many goals did he score compared to now...thats what i said moron. read it again. you guys keep hitting on how many goals he;s scoring now. how many did he score with us?

back when he was on here the team as a whole was alot better...if he was doing so well don't you think they would have tried to keep him more so then what they did? people like you foget how much he screwed up. the only reason he was worth anything really was because he could make those goals in the times that we really needed them like in the playoffs. other then that there are plenty of other players that i would rather have on this team then him back.

its funny how people like you go to this Probably another person on here who thinks their 2 years of house hockey when they were 7 and watching the playoffs on NBC makes them an expert. when someone disagrees with you. what were you some pro nhl hockey player or something? not everyone can have your hockey knowledge. hahahaha

and you pretty much answered the reason why i don't pay attention to your posts. hahahahah

hahahahahahahaha

[Frozen-Man 144]

Sammy has 5 MORE goals than Pavel Datsyuk and 4 MORE goals than Henrik Zetterberg and 13 MORE goals than Norris Nick and makes almost 70% less money than each of them. And LGW kicked him around like a peeing cat while he was here.

All that is true and the number of goals that a player has is important but it isn't the end all and be all of a player. He has 5 goals more than Pav . . . and yet I would still rather have Pav on my team. He has r more goals than Hank and . . . and yet I would still rather have Z on my team. He has a whopping 13 more goals than Nick . . . and yet I would still definitely rather have Nick on my team. Don't get me wrong, congratulations to Sammy (I always liked him here) he is playing great but he still is no where near the talent of our stars and no GM would ever, even for a second, consider trading any one of the three guys you mentioned for him even if he has more goals because they are much better PLAYERS.

Also, FYI he has more goals than a lot of guys. He is tied for 38th in the NHL in goals but is no where near the 38th best player in the NHL (likewise Nick is tied for 371st in goals but he is nowhere near the 371st best player).

For example Sammy also has more goals than:

Joe Thornton

Ryan Getzlaf

Teemu Selanne

Phil Kessel

Brian Rolston

Martin St. Louis

Brenden Morrow

Vincent Lecavalier

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

All that is true and the number of goals that a player has is important but it isn't the end all and be all of a player. He has 5 goals more than Pav . . . and yet I would still rather have Pav on my team. He has r more goals than Hank and . . . and yet I would still rather have Z on my team. He has a whopping 13 more goals than Nick . . . and yet I would still definitely rather have Nick on my team. Don't get me wrong, congratulations to Sammy (I always liked him here) he is playing great but he still is no where near the talent of our stars and no GM would ever, even for a second, consider trading any one of the three guys you mentioned for him even if he has more goals because they are much better PLAYERS.

Also, FYI he has more goals than a lot of guys. He is tied for 38th in the NHL in goals but is no where near the 38th best player in the NHL (likewise Nick is tied for 371st in goals but he is nowhere near the 371st best player).

For example Sammy also has more goals than:

Joe Thornton

Ryan Getzlaf

Teemu Selanne

Phil Kessel

Brian Rolston

Martin St. Louis

Brenden Morrow

Vincent Lecavalier

You are missing the point of this thread. No one has said he is better than any of those players listed and no one belives that. This thread was moreso done to show how are players aren't living up to their expectations and ability while he is overachiving, and to throw around the notion and discussion on whether or not we could have used him this season, especially if hes playing seemingly above his potential.

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

All that is true and the number of goals that a player has is important but it isn't the end all and be all of a player. He has 5 goals more than Pav . . . and yet I would still rather have Pav on my team. He has r more goals than Hank and . . . and yet I would still rather have Z on my team. He has a whopping 13 more goals than Nick . . . and yet I would still definitely rather have Nick on my team. Don't get me wrong, congratulations to Sammy (I always liked him here) he is playing great but he still is no where near the talent of our stars and no GM would ever, even for a second, consider trading any one of the three guys you mentioned for him even if he has more goals because they are much better PLAYERS.

Also, FYI he has more goals than a lot of guys. He is tied for 38th in the NHL in goals but is no where near the 38th best player in the NHL (likewise Nick is tied for 371st in goals but he is nowhere near the 371st best player).

For example Sammy also has more goals than:

Joe Thornton

Ryan Getzlaf

Teemu Selanne

Phil Kessel

Brian Rolston

Martin St. Louis

Brenden Morrow

Vincent Lecavalier

You are missing the point of this thread. No one has said he is better than any of those players listed and no one belives that. This thread was moreso done to show how are players aren't living up to their expectations and ability while he is overachiving, and to throw around the notion and discussion on whether or not we could have used him this season, especially if hes playing seemingly above his potential.

[teebo 22]

sammy is and always will be terrible, how does this guy still have fans on this board?

[Rick Zombos Ghost 82]

a good way to put it is....he earned his raise.

[Frozen-Man 144]

You are missing the point of this thread. No one has said he is better than any of those players listed and no one belives that. This thread was moreso done to show how are players aren't living up to their expectations and ability while he is overachiving, and to throw around the notion and discussion on whether or not we could have used him this season, especially if hes playing seemingly above his potential.

I don't think I did miss the point. If you'll look back at the specific post I was responding to it was about Sammy having more goals than Pav, Hank, and Nick. My point is that while an individual player's number of goals is important it is not always a full representation of the whole player. Sammy also had more goals than Nick last year and the year before but he clearly wasn't kicking Nick's *** as a player last year or especially the previous year when Nick won the Norris, as I don't think he is (again in the entirety of the player) this year. My point is that while Sammy is putting up quite a few goals the other players are still all around better players. The reason for listing other (and much better players) than Sammy who have fewer goals is to point out that Sammy is over producing (viewed through his previous years) and there is not much point in taking a guy who has 16 goals through 48 but only 19 in 81, 11 in 73, and 14 in 53 for the previous three seasons. I don't get the point or what comparison can be made from a guy on another team how is having a well above average year and comparing it to a player on another team which has been decimated with random injuries that have constantly changed the makeup of the team and has had a below average scoring year. I don't see what the comparison shows or proves and don't think that just looking at goals is an accurate representation anyway. Hence my list of non-Wings players who also have fewer goals than Sammy but are far superior players.

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

I don't think I did miss the point. If you'll look back at the specific post I was responding to it was about Sammy having more goals than Pav, Hank, and Nick. My point is that while an individual player's number of goals is important it is not always a full representation of the whole player. Sammy also had more goals than Nick last year and the year before but he clearly wasn't kicking Nick's *** as a player last year or especially the previous year when Nick won the Norris, as I don't think he is (again in the entirety of the player) this year. My point is that while Sammy is putting up quite a few goals the other players are still all around better players. The reason for listing other (and much better players) than Sammy who have fewer goals is to point out that Sammy is over producing (viewed through his previous years) and there is not much point in taking a guy who has 16 goals through 48 but only 19 in 81, 11 in 73, and 14 in 53 for the previous three seasons. I don't get the point or what comparison can be made from a guy on another team how is having a well above average year and comparing it to a player on another team which has been decimated with random injuries that have constantly changed the makeup of the team and has had a below average scoring year. I don't see what the comparison shows or proves and don't think that just looking at goals is an accurate representation anyway. Hence my list of non-Wings players who also have fewer goals than Sammy but are far superior players.

The specific post never made a claim that he was better than them, simply that he was outproducing them, and then went to minorly mock LGW for not recognizing how much he would be missed.

NO ONE is arguing that Sammy is a better player than the ones you listed, only that comparitivly he has overachieved while ours are underachiving. You are arguing a point that no one is disagreeing with.

It'd be like if I got in an arguement about how the Hawks are doing better than the Wings this year and I counter that "The Wing's have a better history", and act as if the Hawks fans aren't admitting it, even if they were.

Edited January 21, 2010 by EZBAKETHAGANGSTA

[hillbillywingsfan 794]

Have you ever once made a reply to a post actually defending your point of view, or do you just rant and say HAHAHAHAH a lot and act as your ludicrous and stupid accusations are valid.

Your name fits you well, you clearly have the reading comprehension skills of a Hillbilly. Nowhere in my post did I say that he would be putting up those numbers on this team currently. My arguement was that you said that he sucked, which is untrue, especially when players of similar salarys are compared. It's funny how people like you go to "and you pretty much answered the reason why i don't pay attention to your posts. hahahaha" you hypocrite.

Replying to your bolded: yes he did make screwups, but if you honestly think that the Wings would be worse off if we had him on this team and that he "sucked' than I'm honestly flabbergasted.

And for the record I did have a cup of coffee in juniors and most probably understand and know more about faucets of the game than you even realize they were there.[/b] ( Feel free to PM me if you dispute the claim, I'll tell you my name and show you proof of being drafted as well as a link to my facebook where you can send me a message to show im not just an imposter). Was I a stud player? No, but I am willing to bet that I have more experiance playing with NHL talent than 95-99% of this boar

then why not take your pic with you and those wonderful stats in juniors and go beat off to yourself. i better watch out you might pull out a gun and shoot me per your name. and having a sucky junior career makes you an expert on here right? hahahaha grow up sport. and chill. anyways...to get off of this crazy train my last post is..i like sammy when he was here...im hapy he;s doing good where hes at..don't want him back. wish we could win..then end. have a nice day gangsta.

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

then why not take your pic with you and those wonderful stats in juniors and go beat off to yourself. i better watch out you might pull out a gun and shoot me per your name. and having a sucky junior career makes you an expert on here right? hahahaha grow up sport. and chill. anyways...to get off of this crazy train my last post is..i like sammy when he was here...im hapy he;s doing good where hes at..don't want him back. wish we could win..then end. have a nice day gangsta.

1) As a general rule, almost incomprehensible sentence fragments, immature insults and saying HAHAHAHAHHA do nothing but make these forums and your point of view worse than they really are. Mispellings and mistypes are accetpable, we all do them, but your post is honestly hard to comprehend when skimming through it the first time due to the lack of coherant thought process and having random "..." and "HAHAHAHHA" in it.

2) So now you're saying you always liked Sammy? Funny a few posts back you said he sucked. Since you have yet to answer any of my questions I asked I'll list them for you before you can pull the "Bigger Man Card".

1) Do you really think having Sammy on this team would hurt more than help?

2) Do you think he sucks or don't you, you've gone back and forth than this.

3) With all exaggerations aside, do you really think playing hockey on a high level as well as being involved with top talent and coaches does not help one understand the game? I've played games games with NHL draft picks and studied game footage with knowelgeble people hours a week for my entire youth. I am not saying I am always right, nor am I saying that I was the next Gretzky, but one of my Tripple A Coachs Greg Richards was one of Pat Kanes Coaches early on his career, and he specifically made me watch hours of him play, pointing out his weaknesses and strengths. Do you really think spending so much time and having something bascially consume your life would not help one understand the game more than an average fan?

Edit:If you are actually going to use something that resembles basic 3rd grade english that dosent reak with hypocrisy and actually is constructive then post here. If not just private message me. We have derailed this thread enough.

Edited January 21, 2010 by EZBAKETHAGANGSTA

[T.Low 1,011]

The specific post never made a claim that he was better than them, simply that he was outproducing them, and then went to minorly mock LGW for not recognizing how much he would be missed.

NO ONE is arguing that Sammy is a better player than the ones you listed, only that comparitivly he has overachieved while ours are underachiving. You are arguing a point that no one is disagreeing with.

It'd be like if I got in an arguement about how the Hawks are doing better than the Wings this year and I counter that "The Wing's have a better history", and act as if the Hawks fans aren't admitting it, even if they were.