Val Filppula

[RedWingAbner 13]

Again, he has had multiple setbacks. He would have undoubtedly "found his niche" in his third season but the signing of a super star pushed him down the depth chart. This year our team was decimated with injury and even without his injury his numbers probably wouldn't have bee what they could have been (look at Datsyuk's and Zetterberg's numbers)

Obviously not the same player.......but do you remember how good Boyd Devereaux was progressing? Then it was injuries (the wrist) and depth problems. At what point (and I am being sincere) does a guy stop progressing and settle into his top form?

[tommingthepuck96 1]

Again, he has had multiple setbacks. He would have undoubtedly "found his niche" in his third season but the signing of a super star pushed him down the depth chart. This year our team was decimated with injury and even without his injury his numbers probably wouldn't have bee what they could have been (look at Datsyuk's and Zetterberg's numbers)

Agreed. And don't forget the numbers he was putting up after datsyuk went down, playing on the second line in last years playoffs.

Edited February 1, 2010 by tommingthepuck96

[Z and D for the C 712]

Why do you think that? I just want to know your reasoning behind it.

Player's get better. Franzen's goal average his first 3 years was 16 goals. He scored 35 goals last year, and I'm sure he can score 40. His point average was 28 (omg even less than Flip's!) and then last year he scored nearly 60 points. These facts should speaks for themselves. Also please remember what I said in my last post.

[RedWingAbner 13]

Player's get better. Franzen's goal average his first 3 years was 16 goals. He scored 35 goals last year, and I'm sure he can score 40. His point average was 28 (omg even less than Flip's!) and then last year he scored nearly 60 points. These facts should speaks for themselves. Also please remember what I said in my last post.

I think you're right there. However, we didn't sign Franzen to a 5 year, $15 M contract when he was averaging 28 pts per year.

Anyway, gtg for now, so I'll see what you guys cook up for later.

[Z and D for the C 712]

Obviously not the same player.......but do you remember how good Boyd Devereaux was progressing? Then it was injuries (the wrist) and depth problems. At what point (and I am being sincere) does a guy stop progressing and settle into his top form?

He wasn't "progressing" half as well as Filppula. Sorry.

[Z and D for the C 712]

I think you're right there. However, we didn't sign Franzen to a 5 year, $15 M contract when he was averaging 28 pts per year.

We didn't have to sign him at that point.

[tommingthepuck96 1]

we didn't sign Franzen to a 5 year, $15 M contract when he was averaging 28 pts per year.

Ok well you just proved everyones point. Obviously the red wings organization sees huge upside in filppula, that signing was no fluke. . Filppula looks better with every game he plays, hes a superior play-maker but sup-par finisher.

[Finnish Wing 110]

I'll start to make the calculations now. Filppula is 0.6206896552 ppg. I think the range +/- 0.05 (about 45-55 season totals) would be good. So I'll count in every forward from 0.5706896552ppg to 0.6706896552ppg.

I'm not sure if it's wise to count in forwards on entry-level contracts.

Edited February 1, 2010 by Finnish Wing

[clutchngrab 12]

is next year gonna be only his 5th season, and then only the sixth.

honestly at some point you gotta stop looking at him like hes a rookie, 4 years is about average for a guy in the league to find his niche.

Well, he's like 25 or 26, so I would expect that his next 2 to 3 years should be his best. That's about right for a forward.

[Finnish Wing 110]

List of the forwards that are in the range from 0.5706896552ppg to 0.6706896552ppg:

Jason Arnott

Brandon Dubinsky

Andy McDonald

Matthew Lombardi

Scott Gomez

Ryane Clowe

Kyle Okposo

R.J. Umberger

Mikael Samuelsson

Matt Duchene

Chris Kunitz

Johan Franzen

Mikael Backlund

Scottie Upshall

Matt Cullen

Dan Sexton

Tuomo Ruutu

Bill Guerin

Eric Fehr

Olli Jokinen

Brad Boyes

Saku Koivu

Wayne Simmonds

Andrei Kostitsyn

Ryan Vesce

Patric Hornqvist

Valtteri Filppula

James van Riemsdyk

Kris Versteeg

Sam Gagner

Eric Belanger

Steve Sullivan

Joffrey Lupul

Jordan Staal

Niklas Hagman

Steve Reinprecht

David Clarkson

Mikhail Grabovski

Alexander Frolov

Matt Moulson

Radim Vrbata

John Tavares

Claude Giroux

Michael Frolik

Daniel Cleary

Brenden Morrow

T.J. Oshie

There are 47 forwards in that range, which I think is enough to get realistic results.

[Guest mindfly]

"Finnish Wing"

Just curious did you start to cheer for Detroit right after Leino got signed? No interest before that?

Would you still be a hardcore red wing fan if, let's say, filpulla and leino both got traded?

[Finnish Wing 110]

"Finnish Wing"

Just curious did you start to cheer for Detroit right after Leino got signed? No interest before that?

Would you still be a hardcore red wing fan if, let's say, filpulla and leino both got traded?

I've been a Red Wings fan since -99. But if Team Finland and Red Wings would play, I'd cheer for Finland. I think anyone of these fans outside NA would be either lying or very unpatriotic if they'd say something else.

[Finnish Wing 110]

The average cap hit among those 47 players is 2.677644085, so based only on the point totals Filppula is overpaid about a little over 0.3. You couldn't even sign a player for that money. Not to mention he's top10 defensively of that group.

So I agree. Filppula is slighty overpaid when looking at point producing. I'm so glad he's much more than those points and that's why we're not overpaying him. xD

[Finnish Wing 110]

"Finnish Wing"

Just curious did you start to cheer for Detroit right after Leino got signed? No interest before that?

Would you still be a hardcore red wing fan if, let's say, filpulla and leino both got traded?

"Country of the Red Wings"

Just curious would you be a fan of this team if there were no Swedish players in it?

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Fil hasnt been bad. But if there were a "shakeup" move to be made, I'd want him to be the center point. He'll be fine when he's our 3rd line center with Willy and Miller, for now take whatever you can get from him.

[RedWingAbner 13]

The average cap hit among those 47 players is 2.677644085, so based only on the point totals Filppula is overpaid about a little over 0.3. You couldn't even sign a player for that money. Not to mention he's top10 defensively of that group.

So I agree. Filppula is slighty overpaid when looking at point producing. I'm so glad he's much more than those points and that's why we're not overpaying him. xD

Well, there ya go. But what about players who score more than .67 PPG but make less than the figures we are talking about?

Haha, kidding. I'll concede that point. However, I think that if we are going to pay him to be top-6, play him (consistently) in the top-6 so he can show what he can do a bit more.

Nice work.

[Finnish Wing 110]

Well, there ya go. But what about players who score more than .67 PPG but make less than the figures we are talking about?

Haha, kidding. I'll concede that point. However, I think that if we are going to pay him to be top-6, play him (consistently) in the top-6 so he can show what he can do a bit more.

Nice work.

Yep, or those who score less than .57 ppg but make more.

[RedWingAbner 13]

Yep, or those who score less than .57 ppg but make more.

As I said, you are right on that point.

[dat's sick 1,002]

I've been a Red Wings fan since -99. But if Team Finland and Red Wings would play, I'd cheer for Finland. I think anyone of these fans outside NA would be either lying or very unpatriotic if they'd say something else.

No, I can honestly say that if Team Finland and the Red Wings would play, I'd cheer for the Red Wings

[Guest mindfly]

"Country of the Red Wings"

Just curious would you be a fan of this team if there were no Swedish players in it?

Absolutely, I also think we've seen the top of the mountain as far as swedes go with 7-8swedes, will be around 3-5 in the future i think.

Kronwall

Zetterberg

Franzen

Ericsson

Nyqvist/Ritola/New Draft Pick/FA

[titanium2 867]

Absolutely, I also think we've seen the top of the mountain as far as swedes go with 7-8swedes, will be around 3-5 in the future i think.

Kronwall

Zetterberg

Franzen

Ericsson

Nyqvist/Ritola/New Draft Pick/FA

No Ryno or Axelsson? How about Samuelsson? Hehe.

[Guest mindfly]

No Ryno or Axelsson? How about Samuelsson? Hehe.

I hope you're being sarcastic

Ryno and Axelsson are of course off the wings radar, they're done.

Samuelsson was a very late pick and a high risk pick which could be highly rewarded or turn out to be nothing, samuelsson turned out to be the latter... He fails in size, work ethic and can't get a spot on the SEL team

Edited February 2, 2010 by mindfly

[Guest DatsyukianDeke13]

What are you, his girl? You are being just as stubborn as I am. Until Filppula (or any player, really) shows that he can produce over a season, projections mean nothing. Unless that means that Ville Leino, based on last year, is bound for greatness over an 82 game season....woops....doesn't work that way.

I'd love for Filppula to prove me wrong. I just don't think he will. If he does, I will start a thread called "Filppula proves me wrong."

I just don't "project" that will happen, based on the fact he's topped out at 40 points as a career high.

He is in his 4th NHL season you moron

[RedWingAbner 13]

He is in his 4th NHL season you moron

Yep. So we have 3 full seasons to go on. Thus far. You can't have it both ways. You can't say that I don't have the numbers to back up what I say, then disclude the fact that I am using his track record.

Anyways, this is pretty much wrapped up in terms of interest level. Nice talking to you (really....not being sarcastic).

[titanium2 867]

I hope you're being sarcastic

Ryno and Axelsson are of course off the wings radar, they're done.

Samuelsson was a very late pick and a high risk pick which could be highly rewarded or turn out to be nothing, samuelsson turned out to be the latter... He fails in size, work ethic and can't get a spot on the SEL team

I think Ryno is done mostly because he wasn't that good anyways. Axelsson though is back to his near point per game rate he had last year. They can't give up on him just yet. He might mature well enough. And Samuelsson had a step back this year, but I still think they should keep an eye on him just in case.