egroen 384 Report post Posted February 2, 2010 Yup I am really going there and I will tell you why. First off right now everyone is holding by the fact he is a big game goalie and he plays best in the playoffs there is not guarantee of that and he is showing no signs of being able to. This is our playoff right now and he has not shown up when called upon he is a liability now and should be let go. Secondly there seem to be a conflict between him and Babcock depending on how bad it is and if it causing trouble in the lineup one of them has to go and if there is a decision between coach of the decade and Osgood. Osgood will lose and be traded. Considering this team is in cap trouble, I'm curious what goalies out there are better than Osgood and 1) are cheaper and 2) would ever be traded in the first place. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted February 2, 2010 I want to see Lebda go before Meech. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funguy21 2 Report post Posted February 2, 2010 There is no trouble between Babs & Ozzie. Yeah Oz has said a couple times that he'd rather be playing just like any goaltender would. That's not a big deal in the least bit. Ozzie supports Howie and what the team does, end of story. And as far as getting rid of him? I don't care how inconsistent he's been, *IF* Howie doesn't get the job done in the playoffs and Ozzie isn't there? Yeah, I'd say we are pretty screwed. You're really going to put everything on Howard in his first season and get rid of someone who's been known to be great in the playoffs and who knows how to win? And FYI Ozzie's season doesn't tell how he'd be in the playoffs, IF called upon. Thats the whole problem we keep saying how good he is in the playoffs but like I said earlier right now this is our playoff and he is not doing anything and that is that. We just can't go on a wing and a prayer that Osgood might or might not show up if he feels like it. Right now Chris Osgood is 1.45 million dollars of cap space sitting on the bench every night if i was looking to get rid of wasted money I would sure start there. And for whoever said what quality goalie can replace Osgood for less. Andrew Raycroft for one he is a cap hit of about 500,000 he is back up for Luongo and when he got hurt and was called upon after not playing for an extended period of time he pulled out a couple big wins which Osgood hasn't done. Raycroft is younger then Osgood aswell. The only thing he doesn't have is an establish playoff career but then again it remains a mystery if Osgood will show up for the playoffs or not. Who else there is Carey Price he is a cap hit of roughly 800,000 much cheaper the Osgood. I have nothing against Osgood but right now it comes down to numbers and performance and he has a million and half contract and his performance is way down. Its a gamble to wait and see if he plays well in the playoffs. And about the possible dispute between Osgood and Babcock I don't think you are able to say 100% that there is no conflict there. I suppose you read the same articles I have read and it seems like there might be considering Osgood is unhappy with how much he has played and Babcock making goaltending remarks it would seem there is something going on there. As for the loyalty thing in the end it comes down to winning and money and they have got rid of Osgood before and I am assuming they are definitely thinking about it again. You can only last so long in this league on what you have done in the past before you actually have to prove something and Osgood is not so he has to go its that simple. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoogs 8 Report post Posted February 2, 2010 Leino is a young player in his rookie season, I'm willing to give him a bit more time. We saw flashes of what he can do last season......I don't wanna give up on him quite yet. In all honesty, I'd rather see Maltby attempt to be traded or waived then Leino. First off, Maltby is old, does not have much hockey left in him, and does just as little if not less then Leino. Plus, he would be VERY unlikely to be claimed off waivers while Leino would undoubtedly be. We can't afford to be keeping people for loyalty purposes anymore. As for May, I wouldn't really mind seeing him go. He was useful at the beginning of the season but has seemed to do jack s*** for the last few months. And as for defense, I'd really rather see Meech kept in the lineup over Lebda. So, my picks would be: May, Maltby, Lebda - BUH BYE. Leino is 26, not exactly young (will be 27 this year) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted February 2, 2010 (edited) Thats the whole problem we keep saying how good he is in the playoffs but like I said earlier right now this is our playoff and he is not doing anything and that is that. We just can't go on a wing and a prayer that Osgood might or might not show up if he feels like it. Right now Chris Osgood is 1.45 million dollars of cap space sitting on the bench every night if i was looking to get rid of wasted money I would sure start there. And for whoever said what quality goalie can replace Osgood for less. Andrew Raycroft for one he is a cap hit of about 500,000 he is back up for Luongo and when he got hurt and was called upon after not playing for an extended period of time he pulled out a couple big wins which Osgood hasn't done. Raycroft is younger then Osgood aswell. The only thing he doesn't have is an establish playoff career but then again it remains a mystery if Osgood will show up for the playoffs or not. Who else there is Carey Price he is a cap hit of roughly 800,000 much cheaper the Osgood. I have nothing against Osgood but right now it comes down to numbers and performance and he has a million and half contract and his performance is way down. Its a gamble to wait and see if he plays well in the playoffs. And about the possible dispute between Osgood and Babcock I don't think you are able to say 100% that there is no conflict there. I suppose you read the same articles I have read and it seems like there might be considering Osgood is unhappy with how much he has played and Babcock making goaltending remarks it would seem there is something going on there. As for the loyalty thing in the end it comes down to winning and money and they have got rid of Osgood before and I am assuming they are definitely thinking about it again. You can only last so long in this league on what you have done in the past before you actually have to prove something and Osgood is not so he has to go its that simple. Raycroft has been a .885 SV% goalie since the lockout. Congrats on actually finding someone with worse regular season stats than Osgood (about a .900 SV% since the lockout)! Maybe Vancouver would trade him. Between Howard and him, they have a combined 7 NHL playoff games -- sign me up for that! Dusting off Manny Legace would be a better option than that. Montreal would not trade Price, not at his age. Fail. Edited February 2, 2010 by egroen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kylee 727 Report post Posted February 2, 2010 Leino is 26, not exactly young (will be 27 this year) granted hes not the youngest in the group, i still think he's getting thrown under the bus. hes well below expectations yes, but it is his rookie season. doesn't that by nature give him a break? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
55fan 5,133 Report post Posted February 2, 2010 May was pretty much intended to be in GR anyway, wasn't he? I think he'll go back down and finish the season. This made me think of a hypothetical question. I realize that it won't happen to our team this year, but in theory, what would happen if a guy played say, 50 games, and then retired and his team went on to win the Cup. Would he still get his name on it? He'd be over the required number, but he wouldn't be on the team. How does that work? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest zackmorris Report post Posted February 2, 2010 May isn't going anywhere, I don't care what Khan says. He doesn't make enough to make losing him worthwhile, and he's extremely valuable to have in the locker room. He can teach the young guys quite a bit, and has a great attitude and team spirit. He'll go down to the AHL and will come up for the postseason if we need him. He'll be great in the playoffs, where everything gets alittle grittier and tougher and we might need him to drop the gloves or lay some hits. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted February 2, 2010 May isn't going anywhere, I don't care what Khan says. He doesn't make enough to make losing him worthwhile, and he's extremely valuable to have in the locker room. He can teach the young guys quite a bit, and has a great attitude and team spirit. He'll go down to the AHL and will come up for the postseason if we need him. He'll be great in the playoffs, where everything gets alittle grittier and tougher and we might need him to drop the gloves or lay some hits. I'm as big a fan ofMay as anyone here. ...but I'll bet you $100 he doesn't play a second of playoff time for the Wings this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest zackmorris Report post Posted February 2, 2010 (edited) Depends who we play. If we're up against Iggy and the goon crew, he could see some time on the 4th line. I think he's a guy who will bust his ass come April/May (pun only marginally intended) Esp with the trades we might have to make, we may end up having 4th line forwards drift from line to line, scratch to playing, etc. Edited February 2, 2010 by zackmorris Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brett 1,029 Report post Posted February 2, 2010 i was gonna say give leino another year but seeing hes 26 already see ya. if he was 22 itd be different. leino and meech are gone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beepbeep 3 Report post Posted February 2, 2010 I don't think that Meech May and Leino frees up enough salary, I believe it has to be Lebda. PLEASE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted February 3, 2010 Fine with me. Someone will claim Leino in hopes of "potential". No one will claim Mayday so he'll just stay with the Wings and have clear waivers month by month like Downey did. I have no clue if someone would claim Lebda, I'd guess some team like Florida or LA would because he has experience. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted February 3, 2010 Haven't seen many English players in this team either... Your boy Leino sucks. No team in the English Elite league would have him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funguy21 2 Report post Posted February 3, 2010 Raycroft has been a .885 SV% goalie since the lockout. Congrats on actually finding someone with worse regular season stats than Osgood (about a .900 SV% since the lockout)! Maybe Vancouver would trade him. Between Howard and him, they have a combined 7 NHL playoff games -- sign me up for that! Dusting off Manny Legace would be a better option than that. Montreal would not trade Price, not at his age. Fail. Well considering he is like a million dollars cheaper then Osgood and has almost as many wins in about as half as many games this season he is looking like a pretty good option when we need to lose some salary. Osgood is 7-8-4 with a .891 save percent and a 2.94 goals against. Raycroft is 5-3 with .914 save percent and a 2.18 goals against average. Raycroft is 29 Osgood is 37. Raycroft is 500,000 cap hit, Osgood is 1.45 million. To me Osgood in the playoff is a gamble that we probably can't afford we can't just assume that he might show up in the playoffs. Its not the perfect pick but it might be just as good if not better then Osgood for about a third of the cost of him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusberg 1,256 Report post Posted February 3, 2010 In terms of what the team needs to clear, Khan says right in his article that once Franzen gets back the team will bee 700K over the cap. Add Lilja's 1.250 million and that means the team needs to clear 1.950 million. Simply getting rid of Leino, May and Meech isn't enough. If Lebda is sent through waivers instead of Meech the combination comes to exactly 1.950 million. As much as people want Meech to go, he makes peanuts and as such isn't enough to make the room needed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Finnish Wing 110 Report post Posted February 3, 2010 Your boy Leino sucks. No team in the English Elite league would have him. We'll you must have a pretty good league there then. I'm prettttty sure he won't clear the waivers if he ever gets waived... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites