McAwesome 754 Report post Posted February 3, 2010 Wow, I had no idea the difference would be so huge. In all fairness, I do think last night's goal skewed things a bit, but it looks like the consensus is that Lebda has to go. I think they have about the same value to a team roster-wise, small defensemen that have moderate offensive potential, Lebda has better speed but tends to pinch and play out of position, Meech more of a positional player, but for a team trying to shed salary, the player making more money for the same role is more expendable. That being said, I'd prefer to have Janik called up as the 7th Dman and deal Lebda AND Meech, but I don't see that happening either. Lidstrom-Rafalski Stuart-Kronwall Lilja-Ericsson Janik Looks like a playoff-caliber defensive corps. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seeinred 1,488 Report post Posted February 3, 2010 EDIT: Which would you prefer to stay as the 7th d-man once Lilja is back? Brett Lebda [ 1 ] ** [7.14%] Derek Meech [ 13 ] ** [92.86%] Total Votes: 15 Good old LGW knows how to add about as well as these two know how to play. Pretty sure it counts the null votes as votes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b-random 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2010 I have a feeling that Meech's goal last night had something to do with the lop sidedness of this poll. I hope ken holland has a longer memory than you guys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted February 3, 2010 Meech's goal yesterday will probably skew this poll Meech's talent level being above Lebda's is what skews this poll. While Lebda has the big-game experience, Meech seems to be more consistent *when he's played consistently.* If he gets shuffled in and out of the lineup its a wash IMO. When they both play regularly, Meech is more consistent....and has more upside. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hooon 1,089 Report post Posted February 3, 2010 Meech is terrible, but to a lesser extent than Lebda. Meech always seems to be trying really hard out there, even if his skillset is low. Last night's goal was pretty flukey but he worked hard for it. There have been at least a few games this year where I thought Meech looked quite good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyerberger 279 Report post Posted February 3, 2010 (edited) Statistical comparison: Lebda gives slightly more hits and blocks per ATOI (however, its so close as to almost not matter) Lebda commits less giveaways with greater TOI Over the course of 3 seasons, Lebda provides more offense per TOI Meech takes less penalties and less dumb penalties per TOI Meech can act as a reserve forward Meech looks more comfortable on the powerplay Lebda (amazingly) has consistently higher +/- Meech has possibly more upside and offensive consistency with consistent playing time Lebda makes (slightly) more Kinda a wash, but seeing as both of these guys are backup with a full roster, I'll take Meech with his greater versatility and less taking of dumb penalties. It's close, though. Lebda probably has more trade value to teams going for a cup, so that adds another reason to keep Meech. Basically a wash, though. Edit: Even though I take Meech, I'm voting Lebda just to make it the closer poll that it should be. Edited February 3, 2010 by Datsyerberger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted February 3, 2010 Sorry for the merged thread mix-up folks. Please Re-vote! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted February 3, 2010 Meech, and just because I'm sick of Lebda's stupid worthless puck-losing rushes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted February 3, 2010 Sorry for the merged thread mix-up folks. Please Re-vote! I was just going to ask what happened to the votes... it was 15-1 Meech last I checked... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted February 3, 2010 Lebda is god awful and Meech is only bad. meech by Default Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted February 3, 2010 Lebda is god awful and Meech is only bad. meech by Default I think this pretty much sums it up... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HkyTwn 5 Report post Posted February 3, 2010 I would like Lebda to leave... I don't think either of them are as quality as they need to be, so my choice was made because I hate Notre Dame and Lebda came from there haha. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltgator333 3 Report post Posted February 3, 2010 (edited) I voted Meech > Lebda for the reasons that this will be Lebda's 5th season with the big club playing at least 46 games each season and there's really not been a heck of a lot of improvement (imo), this is Meech's 3rd season playing 30-41 games and may very well still have an undiscovered upside. That and Meech is cheaper. Lebda http://tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=2855 Meech http://tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=3050 edit- clarity Edited February 3, 2010 by ltgator333 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clutchngrab 12 Report post Posted February 3, 2010 dumb vs. dumber. Lebda is dumber. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lidstromboli Report post Posted February 3, 2010 I agree that Meech is a better and slightly cheaper option but playing 15 less games and less TOI is not good when they have basically (although 23% worse) the same +/-. With more games and more ice time the trend is that Meech's +/- would be worse than it is. meech's +/- is that low because of one really bad game Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevieY'sguy 1 Report post Posted February 3, 2010 I voted for Lebda but the bottom line is that we are talking about probably the most insignificant position on an NHL team in a 7th defenseman and when it comes down to it they should probably take Meech because he is cheaper...neither one of them is going to be counted on for much other then not screwing up so i guess take Meech for the slight gain in cap room....all in all i wish we could go back and keep Quincey, obviously Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Green Wing 26 Report post Posted February 3, 2010 Meech should stay. Lebda should go. I think if Meech was given the run in the team that Lebda has had, he would prove more valuable. The fact that Lebda has played so many games, including playoff games might give him some sort of trade value (*2* bags of pucks please!). Trade Lebda, Leino and waive May. I know some people want to give Leino another chance, but his 800k salary makes my mind up, especially considering the job Eaves and Miller have been doing on just 500k. Back on topic, keep Meech. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deetroit dario 27 Report post Posted February 3, 2010 The fact that Lebda has played so many games, including playoff games might give him some sort of trade value (*2* bags of pucks please!). except you might run into a stumbling block there. 2 bags worth is an okay quantity, but that second bag to carry them in might be the deal breaker. just being realistic... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted February 3, 2010 except you might run into a stumbling block there. 2 bags worth is an okay quantity, but that second bag to carry them in might be the deal breaker. just being realistic... What about one really big bucket? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted February 4, 2010 Lebda's god awful play last night just further cemented this sentiment... don't get me wrong, Meech's wasn't a lot better, or the team as a whole... but there were several times he got in WAY to deep on the play and Dats or Z had to bail him out back checking that stuck out like sore thumbs... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
