newfy 695 Report post Posted February 6, 2010 I was just lookit some griffin stats and noticed that Abs has had 2 fights since he got sent down. Eventhough he fought Perry, he seemed timid at tiems up with the wings. Do you guys think he's more at home in the AHL right now and knows he can fight there and do alright or do you think he was scared of fighting in teh NHL cause the guys were bigger. Or maybe its just a coincidence that since he's got sent down he's had to answer the bell I dont know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted February 6, 2010 Props to UK! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted February 6, 2010 Probably a little bit of everything you said and 90% coincidence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellowknife Redwing 57 Report post Posted February 6, 2010 Abdelkader is a top-6 center and point producer at the AHL level and his role is completely opposite when he's with the big club, which is probably why he plays with a lot more swagger in the minors. Looks good though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seeinred 1,488 Report post Posted February 6, 2010 It looked to me like he was definitely looking to fight his last few games up in the show, he just couldn't find a willing partner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted February 6, 2010 Abdelkader is a top-6 center and point producer at the AHL level and his role is completely opposite when he's with the big club, which is probably why he plays with a lot more swagger in the minors. Looks good though. Yeah you think he would take that swagger from the AHL and play like that with the big club with some physical play and fighting. Oh well I cant complain by the looks of the bomb he planted on Brents face and Abs skill level we might have another Mac or Lapointe on our hands here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted February 6, 2010 He was getting punked left and right while he was here, that Perry fight was crap anyways. He needs to get used to the NHL and play with swagger here, half the guys that challenged him to fight that he backed down from he would've kicked the crap out of. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WorkingOvertime 536 Report post Posted February 6, 2010 It is mostly because of the way he plays, ice time in the AHL, and the type of players in the AHL. While Abby was up with the Wings he led our team in hits despite having little ice time. He still plays a physical game in the AHL, but now he gets twice the amount of ice time. Also, it seems that there are more (willing) fighters in Abby's class in the AHL. Abby plays a physical game and isn't afraid to answer the bell. He doesn't seem to go looking for fights, and he wasn't challenged often in the NHL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted February 6, 2010 His first fight he was responding to a dirty hit/knee thrown on Evan McGrath, the second (the one in that video) Brent went after him after Abs threw a big hit earlier in the shift and ended up crosschecking him until he dropped them (and ended up getting TKO'd for it.) Not sure what to make of it really. I think he just needs to be more comfortable in taking part in the post-whistle and behind the play stuff at AHL level. Hopefully when his roster spot is safe he will. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted February 6, 2010 The explanation is simple. Having Pain Train in the Griffin's line-up is rubbing off on guys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted February 6, 2010 His first fight he was responding to a dirty hit/knee thrown on Evan McGrath, the second (the one in that video) Brent went after him after Abs threw a big hit earlier in the shift and ended up crosschecking him until he dropped them (and ended up getting TKO'd for it.) Not sure what to make of it really. I think he just needs to be more comfortable in taking part in the post-whistle and behind the play stuff at AHL level. Hopefully when his roster spot is safe he will. I would like to take the time to thank UK for uploading all the griff fights on youtube. Im glad to see Tardif able to handle a true heavy in Devaux as well in this game. I forgot to mention that I saw abs and May chatting on the bench and said to my bro, watch theyre talking about starting s*** next shift. Sure enough next shift Abdelkader was trying to fight Burns. Later on in the game he had the gloves off waiting for Clutterbuck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtomicPunk 296 Report post Posted February 6, 2010 You know, I've seen shows on TV with JUST FIGHTING! No pesky hockey to get in the way, it's just fighting! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted February 6, 2010 You know, I've seen shows on TV with JUST FIGHTING! No pesky hockey to get in the way, it's just fighting! I've seen pretty skating on TV with no roughness to get in the way. Its called figure skating you should try that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtomicPunk 296 Report post Posted February 6, 2010 I've just always been fascinated with guys who look at hockey as fights, or ability to fight. It's a LOT more than that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted February 7, 2010 I would imagine it's probably a bit intimidating to come upt o the NHL where the guys are huge, experienced fighters. I know there are some good fighters in the AHL, but it just seems like he wasn't expected to play that role in Detroit. It'd be cool if he became a fighter with top 6 ability. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted February 7, 2010 I have a feeling guys just sent down from the NHL get a lot of s*** also... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted February 7, 2010 I've seen pretty skating on TV with no roughness to get in the way. Its called figure skating you should try that. Roughness isn't always fighting meow... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted February 7, 2010 I have a feeling guys just sent down from the NHL get a lot of s*** also... I suspect this is a part of it. Nobody in the NHL knows who Abdelkader is, everyone who played in the AHL last year knows him, and I'm sure he hears "Couldn't hack it in the bigs, eh Superstar?" all game long. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kwame_Kilpatrick 0 Report post Posted February 7, 2010 (edited) he doesnt have the desire trust me i can smell the desire and talent waiting to be found and you will not find it within justin abdelkaders heart also fighting imo means nothing, even if a guy is average and he fights it is good, it shows desire, but if i was a gm i would need a player to have some skill, abdelkader is not a good enough decision maker imo. when i first saw players like z and datsyuk and kronner and even helm as rookies they made decisions, even if they were bad they made decisions. now they are improving or are legends, abdulu is just not a good decision maker Edited February 7, 2010 by Kwame_Kilpatrick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted February 7, 2010 Roughness isn't always fighting meow... Yeah but 9 times out of 10 a really rough style of play is going to lead to fights. Its just how it is, so the fact that he is fighting shows that hes playing with passion and with a pair of balls. For a top 6 center to be down there fighting 2 games in a row is definitely a positive thing and the fact that he dropped a guy one of the times is even more promising. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted February 7, 2010 Yeah but 9 times out of 10 a really rough style of play is going to lead to fights. Its just how it is, so the fact that he is fighting shows that hes playing with passion and with a pair of balls. For a top 6 center to be down there fighting 2 games in a row is definitely a positive thing and the fact that he dropped a guy one of the times is even more promising. Eh, you take fighting out of the game and the rough play will still continue. In fact it would get much worse. (yes it would be in a bad way) Take out the skating and well...you have a dilapidated version of broom-ball. Anyways Abdelkader will be fine when he becomes a real regular. Fighting or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zettie85 106 Report post Posted February 7, 2010 Confidence. He is playing against guys he is better than. At least he thinks he is better than, if you know what I mean. He shouldn't even be in the AHL if it wasn't for the cap situation so he's juiced with confidence I think. It is the game he needs to play when he is up. Just need to give him time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drapez 0 Report post Posted February 7, 2010 Most of our top guys are "Skill guys". The players on this team that would fight barely play. If you're Abby and you're playing five minutes a game in the NHL why would you want to spend it sitting in the penalty box? Unless Babcock tells him to fight, hes not going to do it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WorkingOvertime 536 Report post Posted February 7, 2010 (edited) he doesnt have the desire trust me i can smell the desire and talent waiting to be found and you will not find it within justin abdelkaders heart also fighting imo means nothing, even if a guy is average and he fights it is good, it shows desire, but if i was a gm i would need a player to have some skill, abdelkader is not a good enough decision maker imo. when i first saw players like z and datsyuk and kronner and even helm as rookies they made decisions, even if they were bad they made decisions. now they are improving or are legends, abdulu is just not a good decision maker Have you watched Abby play in the AHL at all over the past two seasons? I'm not saying he has the potential to be anything like the players you mentioned (other than Helm), but he has the ability to control the play well. Did you expect him to be setting up Maltby and May for snipes all night on the fourth line? As for questioning his desire, Abby had the most hits while here despite playing forth line minutes. Obviously the kid plays with heart (whether or not you believe he is skilled). I'd like to see Abby bring his AHL game to the NHL. He is playing with Mursak and Ritola, and he should have a better showing in the NHL when not playing on the forth/checking line. Edited February 7, 2010 by WorkingOvertime Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zettie85 106 Report post Posted February 7, 2010 Roughness isn't always fighting meow... lol. I'm watching Super Troopers right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
