Cherry ripping Lidstrom on Coach's Corner

[Guest lilja4mvp]

are simply jealous and insecure.

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[kook_10 1,705]

meh ... Cherry is like a combination of Flava Flav, Andy Rooney, and Rush Limbaugh - a previously relevant curmudgeonly old clown who stirs up s*** for ratings. I think a lot of Americans think he holds more sway than he does. At least he is charitable even if he is a dick.

Edited February 7, 2010 by kook_10

[blues_demitra38 11]

meh ... Cherry is like a combination of Flava Flav, Andy Rooney, and Rush Limbaugh - a previously relevant curmudgeonly old clown who stirs up s*** for ratings. I think a lot of Americans think he holds more sway than he does. At least he is charitable even if he is a dick.

I wouldn't say that. Don is a hockey staple, doesn't matter what your nationality is. He has forgotten more than most hockey "experts" know. His opinions are brash and rarely sugar coated. If you can't handle them then watch Barry Melrose.

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

I know it's not popular here to take anyone side but Lidstrom's but it's not as if Cherry has no argument. A lot of people, not just Don, feel that Phaneuf was deserving of the Norris. What's wrong with stating your opinion? Cherry prefers, and has always preferred, the physical player to the finesse player.

People calling him a moron for stating his opinion, which is not that far-fetched, are simply jealous and insecure. Grow up and entertain the thought that Lidstrom does have competition around the league.

http://mirtle.blogspot.com/2008/06/2007-08...ris-voting.html

Yeah, strong competition right there.

[Shaman 713]

No, he's an entertainer who plays a sometimes unlikable role. He spends way too much of his own time helping folks in need to be called names by non-contributing internet dorks....but he still does it, proving his exceptional class.

Yeah this is exactly like Mel Gibson, its ok that he hates Jews, because he gives millions of dollars to hospitals to pay for poor kids medical bills. No matter how bigoted you are, you can just do some charitable work, and its cool. Maybe the Klan should donate food to Haiti, Im sure that them helping folks in need will make them a high class organization.

Edited February 7, 2010 by Shaman464

[Barrie 900]

http://mirtle.blogspot.com/2008/06/2007-08...ris-voting.html

Yeah, strong competition right there.

Great link, no contest. First place votes: Nick-127, Dion-2

One stat I think Cherry is foolishly over looking, or trying to hide, is penalty minutes. Lidstrom had only 40, Phaneuf 182. Personally I think 182 is to many for a Norris trophy winner. Think of all the power plays Calgary had to kill because of him.

Plus look at +/-, Lidstrom +40, Phaneuf +12.

Again, no contest.

[clutchngrab 12]

Every friggin' show we get in Canada is American based for the most part ....

I'd like to apologize from my country to yours. But seriously, the problem with Cherry is that he allows Canadian fans to be stereotyped in his image. That's a shame, but nonetheless I find myself hoping anyone will beat Canada in any international tournament - probably because of the Cherry factor. That, plus I believe North American kids are coached like crap compared to the Euros.

[adamic 0]

His opinion never mattered to me. I just can't take someone dressed so silly seriusly. Lindstrom may go into the history books as one of the best defensive players ever. The Wings would not have won any of the cups we have won since 97, without him.

[newfy 695]

Great link, no contest. First place votes: Nick-127, Dion-2

One stat I think Cherry is foolishly over looking, or trying to hide, is penalty minutes. Lidstrom had only 40, Phaneuf 182. Personally I think 182 is to many for a Norris trophy winner. Think of all the power plays Calgary had to kill because of him.

Plus look at +/-, Lidstrom +40, Phaneuf +12.

Again, no contest.

I'm not saying Dion should've won because I don't think he should have but its the Norris not the Lady Byng. Dion got into alot of fights that year so he got 5 minute penalties but also doesn't leave your team shorthanded. He also probably got alot of coinciding roughing penalties which also don't leave your team shorthanded. And then to top it all off alot of them are probably from huge hits where he got called for charging or boarding or something like that. Sometimes the best defenseman are the ones that have the other team scared to cut across the blue line and intimidate the hell out of the other teams.

[newfy 695]

I'd like to apologize from my country to yours. But seriously, the problem with Cherry is that he allows Canadian fans to be stereotyped in his image. That's a shame, but nonetheless I find myself hoping anyone will beat Canada in any international tournament - probably because of the Cherry factor. That, plus I believe North American kids are coached like crap compared to the Euros.

People hate Cherry because alot of the things he say are true but he has the balls to say it. He's kind of like the Canadian hockey slim shady. Everything he said about the world juniors was true but people flamed him for that, that doesn't make him a senile old fool like I've seen so many people saying.

Maybe he ripped Lidstrom a little bit but I think most of what he said was directed at how Phaneuf needs tos tep up his game again and start playing like he can.

Oh and if North Americans are coached worst then Euros then why is North America completely dominating the world junior stage?

[StevieY'sguy 1]

Tollefsen blows away anything Cherry ever did as a defensemen.. the guy played 1 game in the NHL.

Which is one more game than anybody else on this board has played, oh and in case you were wondering he also coached 480 more NHL games than anybody else posting on this site too... he wasn't too bad at it either, he won 4 division titles in 6 years...Cherry has been around hockey more than many of us have been alive, he constantly is pointing out fundamentally sound plays on coaches corner for young hockey players to notice and stresses the importance of learning those fundamentals. So you say he's constantly "stuck in the past" as far as his views go and he is overly biased towards his own country....what senior citizen isn't?!?! I'm not saying I agree with a single thing that he said this past weekend but it's not like he's the commissioner of the NHL or anything, he's an announcer who has no real influence on the NHL as a whole...I find it hilarious that some people get so wound up about what he says and then feel the need to hide behind a computer and bash him...if you can't stand him then don't watch him, it's really that simple...

Edited February 7, 2010 by StevieY'sguy

[Guest micah]

Yeah this is exactly like Mel Gibson

No, it really isn't.

....its ok that he hates Jews, because he gives millions of dollars to hospitals to pay for poor kids medical bills. No matter how bigoted you are, you can just do some charitable work, and its cool. Maybe the Klan should donate food to Haiti, Im sure that them helping folks in need will make them a high class organization.

Cherry doesn't make a habit of calling races or religions derogotory names, nor have I seen anything indicating that he thinks Canadians are superior people to citizens of other countries. He thinks that the canadian way of playing hockey is superior to the ways that other countries play hockey, and he thinks that European hockey players tend to be softer than North americans. That isn't racism and it isn't xenophobia, no matter how hard you try to twist it to make it so.

[Krayzie_Bone 58]

I watched that also it was pretty funny. The main reason I watch coaches corner for laughs.

[thedatsyukian 7]

Don't take Don Cherry serious. He's an idiot.

[RedWings Gone Wild 6]

People hate Cherry because alot of the things he say are true but he has the balls to say it. He's kind of like the Canadian hockey slim shady. Everything he said about the world juniors was true but people flamed him for that, that doesn't make him a senile old fool like I've seen so many people saying.

Maybe he ripped Lidstrom a little bit but I think most of what he said was directed at how Phaneuf needs tos tep up his game again and start playing like he can.

Oh and if North Americans are coached worst then Euros then why is North America completely dominating the world junior stage?

Couple of things....... Cherry doesn't have "balls", he has a set dogma he preaches, with no fluctuation or adjustment for reality, which generally means he's an entertainer and not a legitimate voice of opinion, or that voice would probably learn and adapt like everything "living" does. In the real world, individuals adjust and compensate for changes in times/facts and when their theories are blatantly disproved they go back to the drawing board. Cherry fans tune in to Cherry because they know exactly what they'll hear; and what they hear is tantamount to a big nationalistic handjob. Just the kind of simplistic nationalism that makes unintelligent people afraid of change; be that in the presence of rule changes, foreigners, or whatever else.

I have no problem with Cherry's existence... he serves a subset of the population that needs that sort of thing... but don't start acting like he's courageous for having the balls to speak up for Canada...in Canada? All he does is talk about how great Canadians are to an audience full of Canadians for a half hour a week... OMG, how ballsy! I'd be impress if he was on Russian TV talking about how great Canadian players are... but get real man, his words are as cheap as his suits.

[KonstantAdvisor 4]

Don't take Don Cherry serious. He's an idiot.

Don Cherry is frickin' hilarious. He will say anything prefaced by "I know this is gonna upset some of you" and somehow always gets a rise out of people. If he doesn't yell at somebody every week, I think he feels like he hasn't done his job. Give him credit though, he yells at Canadians, too.

[blues_demitra38 11]

I've found that most people who hate Don Cherry and think he is a joke are either liberal, hippie pussbags or extremely insecure hockey fans.

[RedWings Gone Wild 6]

Cherry doesn't make a habit of calling races or religions derogotory names, nor have I seen anything indicating that he thinks Canadians are superior people to citizens of other countries. He thinks that the canadian way of playing hockey is superior to the ways that other countries play hockey, and he thinks that European hockey players tend to be softer than North americans. That isn't racism and it isn't xenophobia, no matter how hard you try to twist it to make it so.

Cherry uses hockey as a means to perpetuate stereotypes, and considering how irrational and hypocritical his viewpoints are, xenophobia is the easy solution to point to. Is it the right one? I don't know the guy, so I couldn't say..

But he has always had clear favoritism for English speaking Canadians and has had a longstanding habit of trying to demean foreign players... like when he called Fetisov a cheap and dirty player (something he's never said about Pronger or Dion, players far more deserving of the criticism). He called out Ovechkin for showboating... something he's never done to a Canadian exhibiting the same tendencies (Green anyone?). He's called out countless Euros for soft playoff play... but what about Thornton, or any of the many many Canadian choke artists? He said people who wear visors (Euros and Frenchies as he called em) have less respect for opponents (and a study later proved that people with visors actually high stick opponents far less).

Cherry is blatantly bias. When a guy like Mike Richards throws a cheap shot Cherry retorts with "well, oh son, my favorite boy, try not to do that or you'll hurt yourself." but when Malkin throws the body it's " OH, he's got no respect, he's a cancer, he's evidence of the lack of character in the league." It's a joke, the guy could have xenophobe written on his forehead and sentimentalists like you would still give the guy a pass.

[Guest Crymson]

I think it'll be enough said if I simply repeat one of the common jokes about Don Cherry: "If Don Cherry were ever to become the commissioner of the NHL, his first act would be to expel all Europeans from the league."

In other words, Cherry dislikes the European style of hockey. He always has and probably always will.

[Shaman 713]

No, it really isn't.

Cherry doesn't make a habit of calling races or religions derogotory names, nor have I seen anything indicating that he thinks Canadians are superior people to citizens of other countries. He thinks that the canadian way of playing hockey is superior to the ways that other countries play hockey, and he thinks that European hockey players tend to be softer than North americans. That isn't racism and it isn't xenophobia, no matter how hard you try to twist it to make it so.

Its stereotyping actually. All X are Y.

[Electrophile 3,554]

I've found that most people who hate Don Cherry and think he is a joke are either liberal, hippie pussbags or extremely insecure hockey fans.

In other words, you've found exactly nothing? Excellent.

[newfy 695]

Couple of things....... Cherry doesn't have "balls", he has a set dogma he preaches, with no fluctuation or adjustment for reality, which generally means he's an entertainer and not a legitimate voice of opinion, or that voice would probably learn and adapt like everything "living" does. In the real world, individuals adjust and compensate for changes in times/facts and when their theories are blatantly disproved they go back to the drawing board. Cherry fans tune in to Cherry because they know exactly what they'll hear; and what they hear is tantamount to a big nationalistic handjob. Just the kind of simplistic nationalism that makes unintelligent people afraid of change; be that in the presence of rule changes, foreigners, or whatever else.

I have no problem with Cherry's existence... he serves a subset of the population that needs that sort of thing... but don't start acting like he's courageous for having the balls to speak up for Canada...in Canada? All he does is talk about how great Canadians are to an audience full of Canadians for a half hour a week... OMG, how ballsy! I'd be impress if he was on Russian TV talking about how great Canadian players are... but get real man, his words are as cheap as his suits.

Yes Cherry does have balls to say things he knows he shouldn't. He gets ripped by papers in Canada probably alot more then anything he does is heard in the states. He's a tv personality so yeah he wears some crazy suits? Make fun of his suits but it doesn't change the fact that he's a hell of a lot more accomplished in hockey then anyone on this board will ever come close to.

Looku p Cherry on NBC, he has balls... He called our Hull, a traitor to Canada for scoring a goal that shouldn't have counted, on American television.

I guarantee you Cherry would say anything he's already said on any other countries tv, he's called out Americans on American TV and would do the same to russians.

[Guest ZetterbergFourty]

I think the finest show of Coaches Coroner will be when Ron Mclean Finally tells Don Cherry to shut the f*** UP! lol

HAHAHA!!! :lol:

[HockeyTownHouligan 57]

He's just the John Madden of hockey. He just blabbers about pointless crap. He does make good points about the collapse though and how it doesn't work cause guys like lidstrom can pick it apart and used lidstrom as an example. He is just old school hockey and wants to keep it traditional.

[RedWings Gone Wild 6]

Yes Cherry does have balls to say things he knows he shouldn't.

Then by that standard the morons from The Hills and Jersey Shore are some of the gutsiest people alive.