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Yeah, it's pretty sad how guys like Matt Cooke and Jarkko Ruutu have replaced players like Tony Twist and Stu Grimson.

I'd rather see a return of the talentless enforcer than to have these cheap shotting pricks who just want to end a player's career.

Even if these dirty punks have the skill to be a contribution to the team offensively, I don't want to see them in the NHL anymore.

Excuse me? This guy has had his best season so far and has totally left the cheap shotting behind. Don't even try to compare him with Cooke.

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During the '96-'97 season, Claude Lemieux was mysteriously ill for the first three meetings between the Wings and Avs. There was always some reason he wasn't out there, until he had no choice but to play in the last meeting, in March.

Perhaps he wasn't "mysteriously ill" but was out with an abdominal tear that he had surgery for and caused him to only play in 45 reg season games that year.

....just sayin'...

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Did you guys see the player reaction videos on TSN in reaction to the non-suspension?

St. Louis and Lecalavier really call out Cooke, there seems to be quite a bit of distain for him.

"I Can't Believe It"

Pretty good responses from all of the players in the video, however, I don't think Steve Downie has much room to talk on this subject.

Edit: People on this board have said that respect for the well being of players is down in the league and St. Louis says the same thing. I have to agree.

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Pretty good responses from all of the players in the video, however, I don't think Steve Downie has much room to talk on this subject.

Of course, you could always argue that if Steve Downie is against Matt Cooke's actions, then Cooke is really a piece of garbage.

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Did you guys see the player reaction videos on TSN in reaction to the non-suspension?

St. Louis and Lecalavier really call out Cooke, there seems to be quite a bit of distain for him.

"I Can't Believe It"

I was reading comments from Lightning fans. Apparently Lecavalier needed shoulder surgery after a dirty hit from Cooke in 2007. Next season, Vinny wanted to fight Cooke but Cooke refused to fight.

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Of course, you could always argue that if Steve Downie is against Matt Cooke's actions, then Cooke is really a piece of garbage.

:lol: Yeah, never thought of it that way.

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Cooke is a piece of s*** and I am getting really sick of the Penguins getting away this crap constantly...

Brutal blindside elbow to the head and away from the play: no suspension.

But Gonchar is a "good guy" so no suspension. It seems every excuse in the book is pulled out for the Penguins this year.

But now if it happens to a Penguin?

See Carcillo's (repeat offender, just like Cooke) cheapshot to Max Talbot:

Suspension of course.

My Penguins anti-bias aside - I am curious how many times "good guys" can get away with it because they "don't have any suspensions"?

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Absolutely pitiful that no suspension is resulted from this. It's going to take an NHLer to get paralyzed or something similar unfortunately before higher ups wake the hell up and realize that this happens too much, and that suspension rules are a joke in terms of how they are consistently enforced. Way too much subjectivity. I'm all for phyiscal play. But what Cooke did was absolutely chicken s**t.

I will always love watching hockey but the consistency of such things like rules regarding suspensions with big hits like this and intent to blow the whistle and phantom interference penalties are just an absolute joke.

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Rules aside its about respect, knowing you can't make that hit clean you don't make it, it's as simple as that especially from the blind side.

You are exactly right...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBfFtIksUl0

But isn't THIS the same thing? These things happen in hockey, and Savard should have known that Cooke would make him pay if he had his head down...

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You are exactly right...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBfFtIksUl0

But isn't THIS the same thing? These things happen in hockey, and Savard should have known that Cooke would make him pay if he had his head down...

I don't think it is the same thing:

1) Not a blindside hit

2) Head was not targeted

3) Kronwall (and the team) was severely punished in the game - he was thrown out - Cooke went unpenalized

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I don't think it is the same thing:

1) Not a blindside hit

2) Head was not targeted

3) Kronwall (and the team) was severely punished in the game - he was thrown out - Cooke went unpenalized

I wasn't referring to the legality of the hit, I was responding to the poster's comment about the 'respect' factor. In that way, it doesn't matter HOW he hit him or the conse

That said, you're omitting the ways it IS the same:

1. Havlat has his head is on the puck, not the play

2. Havlat is extended

3. Everyone knows Kronwall blows people up at the blue line all the time.

Punishment aside, its a part of the game and will not change. It will still happen, but the consequence will just be different.

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Excuse me? This guy has had his best season so far and has totally left the cheap shotting behind. Don't even try to compare him with Cooke.

O.K. so I called out a Finn for being cheap. Big deal.

I don't think Ruutu has left cheapshotting behind, no matter what kind of season he's having.

What did he do an interview where he promised he wouldn't run anybody into the boards illegally or something?

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O.K. so I called out a Finn for being cheap. Big deal.

I don't think Ruutu has left cheapshotting behind, no matter what kind of season he's having.

What did he do an interview where he promised he wouldn't run anybody into the boards illegally or something?

He's this years #1 seller of Girl Scout cookies.

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I wasn't referring to the legality of the hit, I was responding to the poster's comment about the 'respect' factor. In that way, it doesn't matter HOW he hit him or the conse

That said, you're omitting the ways it IS the same:

1. Havlat has his head is on the puck, not the play

2. Havlat is extended

3. Everyone knows Kronwall blows people up at the blue line all the time.

Punishment aside, its a part of the game and will not change. It will still happen, but the consequence will just be different.

Havlat's head may have been on the puck but it sure looks like he knew Kronner was coming at him. Look at the replay and you'll see Havlat look up the ice right where Kronwall was. Kronner also went straight at him face to face and hit his whole body not just his head. Very different hit.

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I wasn't referring to the legality of the hit, I was responding to the poster's comment about the 'respect' factor. In that way, it doesn't matter HOW he hit him or the conse

That said, you're omitting the ways it IS the same:

1. Havlat has his head is on the puck, not the play

2. Havlat is extended

3. Everyone knows Kronwall blows people up at the blue line all the time.

Punishment aside, its a part of the game and will not change. It will still happen, but the consequence will just be different.

Still a big difference between a hit coming straight at you, and one from your blindside where the head is targeted (which the GMs recently designated). Havlat even looks up to see Kronwall coming, before the hit. One is definitely more "dirty" than the other and one definitely shows less "respect" for the safety of the other player.

In-game consequences often have a bearing on the suspension - if it was not caught in-game, there is a higher likely-hood of a suspension. See Neidermayer and Pronger on Holmstrom in the 08 playoffs -- Niedermayer received a penalty and no suspension; Pronger received no penalty and a suspension.

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Cooke is a piece of s*** and I am getting really sick of the Penguins getting away this crap constantly...

Brutal blindside elbow to the head and away from the play: no suspension.

But Gonchar is a "good guy" so no suspension. It seems every excuse in the book is pulled out for the Penguins this year.

But now if it happens to a Penguin?

See Carcillo's (repeat offender, just like Cooke) cheapshot to Max Talbot:

Suspension of course.

My Penguins anti-bias aside - I am curious how many times "good guys" can get away with it because they "don't have any suspensions"?

At least I'm not the only one seeing it. It's shocking with how much the Penguins are allowed to get away with - both in terms of suspendable infractions AND penalty-worthy infractions on the ice. Meanwhile, they have the most power play opportunities in the league. And I don't buy that, "Well, they're a skilled team, so their style of play earns them more power plays!" excuse. There's something rotten in the state of Pennsylvania.

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I don't know if this has been posted in this thread already or not, so if so then apologies:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/guerin-nhl-should-outlaw-hits-to-head/article1497502/

Guerin expected Cooke to be suspended.

“If a guy gets hurt like that with a shot to the head, there's got to be something,” Guerin said. “Actions happen. Guys don't mean to hurt each other, but they do. You got to pay a price for that.”

Okay, when your own teammate thinks you should be suspended, that's a sign that the league screwed up.

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O.K. so I called out a Finn for being cheap. Big deal.

I don't think Ruutu has left cheapshotting behind, no matter what kind of season he's having.

What did he do an interview where he promised he wouldn't run anybody into the boards illegally or something?

Well I think he just has been changed. And I think he was never comparable to a guy like Cooke. Ruutu is actually a wise player.

I can't even remember many examples of actual cheap shots by him now that I think about. Other than the Jagr hit in some international game. I think biting someone's finger nowhere near cheapshotting when you compare it to those headshots.

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Well I think he just has been changed. And I think he was never comparable to a guy like Cooke. Ruutu is actually a wise player.

I can't even remember many examples of actual cheap shots by him now that I think about. Other than the Jagr hit in some international game. I think biting someone's finger nowhere near cheapshotting when you compare it to those headshots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhfXETjwH0g

Also, as you mentioned, he is the cheap cowardly little ***** that BIT Andrew Peters?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhfXETjwH0g

Also, as you mentioned, he is the cheap cowardly little ***** that BIT Andrew Peters?

Peters, Kaleta, Lapierre... all cheapshotters themselves! He's just handing some justice that's all. It's kinda different when you take out the other team's star player. And BTW Ruutu did fight after that Lapierre hit. So obviously the fighting didn't solve anything there.

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Peters, Kaleta, Lapierre... all cheapshotters themselves! He's just handing some justice that's all. It's kinda different when you take out the other team's star player. And BTW Ruutu did fight after that Lapierre hit. So obviously the fighting didn't solve anything there.

He fought a non-fighter and ducked the other team's toughguy. Laraque *should* have forced Rutuu into it - and 20 years ago, before the instigator rule, whoever was playing in Laraque's place would have.

I do not advocate cheapshots by anyone - not Rutuu, not Peters, not Laraque, not Kaleta, not Lapierre. All are equally detestable.

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He fought a non-fighter and ducked the other team's toughguy. Laraque *should* have forced Rutuu into it - and 20 years ago, before the instigator rule, whoever was playing in Laraque's place would have.

I do not advocate cheapshots by anyone - not Rutuu, not Peters, not Laraque, not Kaleta, not Lapierre. All are equally detestable.

You clearly see how many holes that removing the instigator rule leaves. You really can't be sure that it takes care of anything. I think hockey fights are OK, but they just don't work in this situation as a punishment. It's a too random thing. Removing the instigator creates more harm than good.

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You clearly see how many holes that removing the instigator rule leaves. You really can't be sure that it takes care of anything. I think hockey fights are OK, but they just don't work in this situation as a punishment. It's a too random thing. Removing the instigator creates more harm than good.

Serious question, how much NHL hockey did you watch before the rule? It really wasn't the way you might immagine it was.

And I do not think that removing the instigator rule is all that is needed to stop cheapshots - it is one step of many that should be taken.

Penalize blindside hits, remove the instigator, outlaw hard pads, get serious about suspending offenders. That would be a good start.

In the event that there would come a time that league thugs started forcing Dats and those like him into fights, I would want to see that addressed. I don't think it would become an issue, as it wasn't an issue before.

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Serious question, how much NHL hockey did you watch before the rule? It really wasn't the way you might immagine it was.

And I do not think that removing the instigator rule is all that is needed to stop cheapshots - it is one step of many that should be taken.

Penalize blindside hits, remove the instigator, outlaw hard pads, get serious about suspending offenders. That would be a good start.

In the event that there would come a time that league thugs started forcing Dats and those like him into fights, I would want to see that addressed. I don't think it would become an issue, as it wasn't an issue before.

As I said in the other thread. Removing the instigator would just create an another way to hurt player with diry way. If players do cheapshotting now, I can easily imagine to hurt the players they want when the rule is removed.
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Julien should line Thornton up against Crosby from the very first shift he takes and tell him to run him until he lands on a stretcher the same way Savard did. I'd bet good money Campbell would do something then.

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