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1) Duncan Keith -- Keith has had by far the greatest all-around year this year by a defenseman. Near top of the league both defensively and offensively and a large reason why Chicago has so few goals against, despite Huet's meltdown of a season.

2) Nicklas Lidstrom -- Lidstrom is still hands-down the best defensive defenseman in the NHL, which I personally give more weight to than offense. In addition, he is now 8th in points overall.

3) Mike Green -- His points this year are too much to ignore, despite not being even close to elite defensively.

Pronger, Doughty and Boyle would round out my Top 6.

What will it end up being?

My bet is the voters go with:

1) Keith

2) Green

3) Doughty

With Lidstrom anywhere from 4th to 6th.

The hype around Doughty this year has been huge, but he is not in the same league defensively as Lidstrom and Keith -- and his points are not far enough ahead of Lidstrom to make up for the much wider gap defensively.

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Chuck Norris is still tops for me. :D

Seriously, though, I think Lidstrom will likely be left off and they'll nominate Keith, Green and Doughty.

I'd give it to Keith, but Green will probably win as I said in another thread.

There's no nominations, voters are free to vote for whoever they want, the 3 "finalists" promoted to the public ahead of the awards show are simply the players that rec'd the most votes, when the finalists get announced, the winner has already been decided.

I doubt Lidstrom would get in the top 3 this year, but he may get there on reputation alone. Keith will win it and will be deserving. I think Green will be in the top 3, but I'm not sure I agree with that, though his offensive numbers are impressive.

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I wish Nick could continue to win it, but I don't think they'll let him break Orr's record. :(

I don't like that Green is getting so much consideration, yeah he's a good defenseman and can throw in nice goals, but I haven't really seen him defend like Nick. Whatever.

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Shouldn't Pronger be there as he has more points than Lidstrom and is one of the best defenseman in the own end?

1. Keith

2. Green

3. Pronger or Lidstrom

Come to think of it, Mike Green's +/- is easily the best compared to others. Why do we judge that he's bad "defensively" and shouldn't be the winner? I've always thought that good offense is the best defense.

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Doughty was exceptional in all seven LA games I've seen this year. I watched more Chicago games and would say there is nothing very special about Keith. He is good, no doubt about it, but not great. Same with Greene. So my choices:

1. Doughty

2. Lidstrom

3. Keith or Greene or Pronger or etc.

The winner will be Keith though. Simply because no one else from Chicago will get personal award.

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Shouldn't Pronger be there as he has more points than Lidstrom and is one of the best defenseman in the own end?

1. Keith

2. Green

3. Pronger or Lidstrom

Come to think of it, Mike Green's +/- is easily the best compared to others. Why do we judge that he's bad "defensively" and shouldn't be the winner? I've always thought that good offense is the best defense.

Pronger has slid defensively this year.... Phily fans will even admit it. Lower +/- on a team that is better than Detroit 5 on 5.

Ovechkin has the best +/- in the league --- Do you have him down to win the Selke this year?

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Green

Keith

Doughty

Keith wins

Who I'd like to see

Keith

Pronger

Lidstrom

Keith winner, lidstrom second.

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Pronger has slid defensively this year.... Phily fans will even admit it.

Ovechkin has the best +/- in the league --- Do you have him down to win the Selke this year?

Come to think of it, why there even is an award like Selke?

Scoring more goals than the other team, I think that's the point of this game. What does it mean anyway's if Green loses the puck in the own end or something like that if he helps the team a lot in the other end? Good offense is the best defense.

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Shouldn't Pronger be there as he has more points than Lidstrom and is one of the best defenseman in the own end?

1. Keith

2. Green

3. Pronger or Lidstrom

Come to think of it, Mike Green's +/- is easily the best compared to others. Why do we judge that he's bad "defensively" and shouldn't be the winner? I've always thought that good offense is the best defense.

No.

Come to think of it, why there even is an award like Selke?

Scoring more goals than the other team, I think that's the point of this game. What does it mean anyway's if Green loses the puck in the own end or something like that if he helps the team a lot in the other end? Good offense is the best defense.

Do you even watch the Wings?

Watching Datsyuk and Zetterberg without the puck is just as good as watching them with it. If those 2 don't play the way they played defensively in 08, we don't win the cup.

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Come to think of it, why there even is an award like Selke?

Scoring more goals than the other team, I think that's the point of this game. What does it mean anyway's if Green loses the puck in the own end or something like that if he helps the team a lot in the other end? Good offense is the best defense.

In other words, let's drop all the awards and start calling the Rocket Richard the Hart?

:clap:

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Okay, well explain it then? You think you can win games just by defending?

If the Caps win the cup this year, I'll concede. They won't though because there best defenceman is a 4th forward. If you don't play defence then good luck winning the Cup. Ya you need goals but if you are solid defencively you can win games 1-0 and 2-1.

New Jersey and Bowmans Left-wing lock. Perfect examples.

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Could it be.... both? :wow:

Or could it be... You need to score goals to win games?

I think it should be the result that matters, not the way you do it. Green has most points and best +/- and his team just won the Presidents' Trophy. Are we counting style points here?

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Or could it be... You need to score goals to win games?

I think it should be the result that matters, not the way you do it. Green has most points and best +/- and his team just won the Presidents' Trophy. Are we counting style points here?

If you play solid defensively and positionally your chances will come. If all you do is go for the goals then it is ineveitable that you will get caught. Leaving your goalie out to dry with numerous odd man rushes.

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If you play solid defensively and positionally your chances will come. If all you do is go for the goals then it is ineveitable that you will get caught. Leaving your goalie out to dry with numerous odd man rushes.

But the fact is the only be defending you can't win. But you can win only by attacking. That's in theory.

If were talking about Green. Obviously he's +/- 35. If he does some mistakes in the own end, so what if his play still helps the team like that?

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Or could it be... You need to score goals to win games?

I think it should be the result that matters, not the way you do it. Green has most points and best +/- and his team just won the Presidents' Trophy. Are we counting style points here?

Ahhh... that must be why Phil Housely won so many Stanley Cups and they shortened the usual waiting period for him to get into the Hall of Fame. :blush:

History has shown that the truly great and most valuable defensemen of all-time, have excelled both offensively and defensively.

In fact, that is exactly the type of player (Red Kelly) the Norris trophy was created in order to recognize.

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Or could it be... You need to score goals to win games?

I think it should be the result that matters, not the way you do it. Green has most points and best +/- and his team just won the Presidents' Trophy. Are we counting style points here?

Name me a Stanley Cup team that lacked elite defensive players.

Without Backstrom and Schultz playing great defense, that Washington line is nowhere near as successful.

Sorry, you need both defense and offense to win games. I doubt you are really that much of a blithering idiot to deny it.

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