If you had to predict what the 2010-2011 Roster WILL look like

[LeftWinger 4,951]

Your s*** = you

I have been following this team for over 20 years and you've just proven you know nowhere NEAR the same about them as me...

besides, I know nothing about you so yes I do know about them than I know about you (try using some English that makes sense...)

Over twenty years? Wow! I guess I will take my thirty plus years and run away with my tail between my legs, do you even remember the team before there was a Lidstrom? Because I certainly remember the pre-Yzerman/Joe Louis Arena days...

All I am saying is if Holland makes no changes but to add Hudler and re-sign our own RFA/UFA, this team will look like s*** and if he give Lids a penny above $4.5M, this team will have no room for trade deadline additions or even call up from GRR help...

Edited May 26, 2010 by LeftWinger

[LeftWinger 4,951]

Sorry to burst your Hudler-hate bubble, but the head coach of the team already has stated Hudler will play top six minutes next season. You are no different -- in fact, actually worse -- than the Hudler "slappies" with your extreme hatred of Hudler. Beyond the big three, Hudler is the most talented offensive threat on the team now.

Oh,I am sure he will be given his shot on the top 2 lines throughout the year, but he will not become a staple there. Hudler will be Hudler and that's it. He may put in 20 goals, but he will lose every battle in the corner and be our biggest defensive liability.

[newfy 695]

Oh,I am sure he will be given his shot on the top 2 lines throughout the year, but he will not become a staple there. Hudler will be Hudler and that's it. He may put in 20 goals, but he will lose every battle in the corner and be our biggest defensive liability.

This post is dead on

[titanium2 867]

Oh,I am sure he will be given his shot on the top 2 lines throughout the year, but he will not become a staple there. Hudler will be Hudler and that's it. He may put in 20 goals, but he will lose every battle in the corner and be our biggest defensive liability.

He's got that 2nd line center position locked down.

[LeftWinger 4,951]

This post is dead on

Hold on a minute! Is that what Holland would say? You know if your were a fan prior to the European invasion or dont think Hudler is top 6 league wide and that he will bring us back to Stanley Cup Nirvana (becasue he is the reason we won the Cup in 2008, you know) you know nothing about the Wings and how they operate and should give evereyone tons of negatives!

[mjlegend 155]

I think last season showed that status quo won't cut it. I also think that Kenny understands that at some level, but for the first summer in recent years I don't know if he would make some creative moves. Remember only a couple of years ago, no one was considered more creative under the cap than Kenny.

So with that in mind, what do you suppose the chances are Holland gets creative with some of the salaries and puts Draper in the AHL until the Wings get their annual bout of injuries? It's not like anyone would claim a 39-year-old faceoff and PK specialist on recall waivers when the Wings need him again.

He's also got a front-loaded contract that only pays him $1.25 million of real money next year in his last season. That might be tempting to one of the other (cheap) teams in the league who needs veteran leadership, if Holland wants to make some cap room to entertain the chance of signing a player like Frolov.

[GoWings1905 2,694]

Oh,I am sure he will be given his shot on the top 2 lines throughout the year, but he will not become a staple there. Hudler will be Hudler and that's it. He may put in 20 goals, but he will lose every battle in the corner and be our biggest defensive liability.

Hudler is by no means as bad defensively as you make him out to be. And as long as #96 is wearing a Red Wings uniform, he'll always hold the "honor" of biggest defensive liability.

The puzzling thing to me sometimes about Red Wings fans is we are so spoiled by having elite defensive forwards that if a player isn't at Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Helm, etc. level they are labeled as a "defensive liability". It just isn't the case with Hudler. I'm not nominating him for the Selke, but he isn't going to cost the Red Wings games because of his defense or lack thereof. It is OK for a player to just score goals - not all 12 forwards are going to be stalwarts in their own zone. Hudler's role is to put the puck in the net and quite frankly, the Red Wings need exactly that. If all he does is produce offensively (which he always has), I couldn't care less about what he does defensively. This team is stacked with solid defensive forwards. Who is a better top six option than Hudler? Bertuzzi certainly isn't better than Hudler and neither is Cleary in that capacity. Hudler is going to get top six minutes and thrive there because of his high-end offensive skill.

Not quite. Babs said he'll have every opportunity to prove that he can play in the top six. He can definitely play his way back to the 3rd line.

True. That doesn't seem to take much either with Babcock in regards to Hudler.

Edited May 27, 2010 by GoWings1905

[Puckpossession 3]

Yzerman screws over tampa lineup (for fun calm down)

Stamkos-Datsyuk-Franzen

Zetterberg-lecaivailer-st.louis

filpula-hudler-bert

helm-abdelkader-miller

Lidstrom-rafalski

Stuart-kronwall

Hedman-Ohland

[HankthaTank 1,100]

With a healthy Cleary coming back, I do believe he could just very well crack top 6 at some point this year. I nominate the Hank, Mule, Cleary line to make a comeback.

[Puckpossession 3]

With a healthy Cleary coming back, I do believe he could just very well crack top 6 at some point this year. I nominate the Hank, Mule, Cleary line to make a comeback.

cleary can play, he has heart, hard to play when so injured

[GoWings1905 2,694]

With a healthy Cleary coming back, I do believe he could just very well crack top 6 at some point this year. I nominate the Hank, Mule, Cleary line to make a comeback.

Agreed. I think Mule has better chemistry with Z than Pavel.

[Mitchmac33 103]

Yzerman screws over tampa lineup (for fun calm down)

Stamkos-Datsyuk-Franzen

Zetterberg-lecaivailer-st.louis

filpula-hudler-bert

helm-abdelkader-miller

Lidstrom-rafalski

Stuart-kronwall

Hedman-Ohland

wouldn't that be awesome haha, impossible, but it'd be awesome

[Puckpossession 3]

wouldn't that be awesome haha, impossible, but it'd be awesome

ye its just for fun, never thought of it actually happening, only reason i thought about it is yzerman making a devious plan to screw over the lightning, make detroit a powerhouse from a distance, ken retires, yzerman comesback.

[magicaldatsyuk 6]

All I am saying is if Holland makes no changes but to add Hudler and re-sign our own RFA/UFA, this team will look like s*** and if he give Lids a penny above $4.5M, this team will have no room for trade deadline additions or even call up from GRR help...

dont forget that we had an abnormal amount of injuries last season that really hurt us in the long stretch. i think we will be a better team next year with the addition of hudler to the lineup, if we arent plagued by injuries like last season.. and i know every team is going to have injuries, but the wings in particular had a ridiculous amount, to key offensive and defensive players for long stretches of time

[stevkrause 1,247]

besides, I know nothing about you so yes I do know about them than I know about you (try using some English that makes sense...)

Over twenty years? Wow! I guess I will take my thirty plus years and run away with my tail between my legs, do you even remember the team before there was a Lidstrom? Because I certainly remember the pre-Yzerman/Joe Louis Arena days...

All I am saying is if Holland makes no changes but to add Hudler and re-sign our own RFA/UFA, this team will look like s*** and if he give Lids a penny above $4.5M, this team will have no room for trade deadline additions or even call up from GRR help...

That line was in perfect English and grammatical context - just because your tiny brain can not wrap around its context is not my issue...

Next, DO the math: 2010 - 20+ ≤ 1990 - Lidstrom came on board in 1992 - What an asinine question... if you've been following them for more than 30 years, great for you, but to assume I am a "fair weather fan" who wasn't around before the late 90's and at the tail end of the "Dead Wing era" and to question my knowledge of this team is arrogant and "douchey"(yes, that one's not a real word, but I think you can figure it out without a dictionary)

Next, listen armchair GM, opinions are like assholes and we all have one, the context of this thread was what the team WILL look like - to suggest what you would LIKE to see done is one thing, but you replied under the context that that WILL happen... and if you actually follow the "business" end of things and have "been a fan for over 30 years" - You would know that's not the way Holland operates and to say the team will "look like s***" is even more laughable... how many cups has Holland brought us???? This would basically be the same team as 08 and what happened then????

I'm sure if Holland sees a number problem, he will adjust contracts fittingly... but to suggest that Nick gets A PENNY LESS than 5 million (unless HE takes it SPECIFICALLY to give the team cap relief) is a joke - you offer the guy the world and let him decide how much he wants, because it's what he's earned.

Finally, I don't know how hard it is to wrap your head around the context of this thread - It was not a line thread, or a contract number thread, those were just numbers I was estimating, I was more concerned with the PLAYERS ON THE ROSTER...

dont forget that we had an abnormal amount of injuries last season that really hurt us in the long stretch. i think we will be a better team next year with the addition of hudler to the lineup, if we arent plagued by injuries like last season.. and i know every team is going to have injuries, but the wings in particular had a ridiculous amount, to key offensive and defensive players for long stretches of time

exactly... especially since so many people are conveniently leaving out the X factor - healthy lines have time to gel and chemistry is VERY important...

Edited May 27, 2010 by stevkrause

[stevkrause 1,247]

Hold on a minute! Is that what Holland would say? You know if your were a fan prior to the European invasion or dont think Hudler is top 6 league wide and that he will bring us back to Stanley Cup Nirvana (becasue he is the reason we won the Cup in 2008, you know) you know nothing about the Wings and how they operate and should give evereyone tons of negatives!

For the record - I haven't given you a single negative... if anything, this should just go to show you what others think of the way you are conducting yourself on this board...

[13dangledangle 958]

I would like to know how Hudler became our saviour for this season? I love Huds and as you have already seen Im sure, I think Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Hudler would be an awesome line. However to even give the notion that he is the missing link is a bit redonkulas. In having him here we loose who Miller and Eaves? Im not saying I dont want Hudler, I do. I just think him alone doesnt cut it so Mr. Holland and Co. HAVE to know! Fingers crossed kids, I believe there is a surprise a coming!

[stevkrause 1,247]

I would like to know how Hudler became our saviour for this season? I love Huds and as you have already seen Im sure, I think Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Hudler would be an awesome line. However to even give the notion that he is the missing link is a bit redonkulas. In having him here we loose who Miller and Eaves? Im not saying I dont want Hudler, I do. I just think him alone doesnt cut it so Mr. Holland and Co. HAVE to know! Fingers crossed kids, I believe there is a surprise a coming!

I agree, I don't think he alone will carry this team to the SCF, but I wouldn't be surprised to see us ice a team of basically the same as last year + Hudler...

It would be nice to see Holland pull off a major move...

[13dangledangle 958]

I agree, I don't think he alone will carry this team to the SCF, but I wouldn't be surprised to see us ice a team of basically the same as last year + Hudler...

It would be nice to see Holland pull off a major move...

Hitting the Ice with the same squad scares me a little lol but there is some good low income offensive talent out there, but I havent seen Afinogenov on any list this year and didnt he sign a 1 year for 800,000 last year? I havent heard hes re-signed yet either? Thats who I wanted last year and they picked up Williams! so Please Kenny get it done!! (I said please)

[stevkrause 1,247]

Hitting the Ice with the same squad scares me a little lol but there is some good low income offensive talent out there, but I havent seen Afinogenov on any list this year and didnt he sign a 1 year for 800,000 last year? I havent heard hes re-signed yet either? Thats who I wanted last year and they picked up Williams! so Please Kenny get it done!! (I said please)

I just don't see us going after a scorer, unless a trade is made... we'd have too many top line guys and not enough minutes for them to be truly effective...

[13dangledangle 958]

I just don't see us going after a scorer, unless a trade is made... we'd have too many top line guys and not enough minutes for them to be truly effective...

This is true! Well maybe soon Im getting on the Tatar train, the age of our top guys worries me a little, lets get Dats seasoning this kid a bit.

[stevkrause 1,247]

This is true! Well maybe soon Im getting on the Tatar train, the age of our top guys worries me a little, lets get Dats seasoning this kid a bit.

This is what I would like to see... I like that we make sure guys are "over-ripe" but if he continues to develop at this pace, he should be up here sooner than later... there is a fine line between making sure guys are foaming at the mouth to get to the NHL and becoming stagnant with ones development at the AHL level, so far, we seem to have done a good job toeing that line, I just don't want a guy who is DEFINITELY NHL ready to stay in the AHL and stunt his development...

[Nhurdi 42]

Hitting the Ice with the same squad scares me a little lol but there is some good low income offensive talent out there, but I havent seen Afinogenov on any list this year and didnt he sign a 1 year for 800,000 last year? I havent heard hes re-signed yet either? Thats who I wanted last year and they picked up Williams! so Please Kenny get it done!! (I said please)

I think it's safe to say that Afinogenov will not be signing another 800k contract. He was the third best value in the league after Rich Peverley and Matt Moulson based on how many points vs pay they got.

http://www.capgeek.com/bargain_hunter.php

[13dangledangle 958]

This is what I would like to see... I like that we make sure guys are "over-ripe" but if he continues to develop at this pace, he should be up here sooner than later... there is a fine line between making sure guys are foaming at the mouth to get to the NHL and becoming stagnant with ones development at the AHL level, so far, we seem to have done a good job toeing that line, I just don't want a guy who is DEFINITELY NHL ready to stay in the AHL and stunt his development...

Very nicely said! Also just look at the way Steve Yzerman was able to help mold alot of these players into leaders (Hank, Nick, Pavel) not that they werent going to be leaders already, being around greatness is just irreplaceable. I think we need to get some of these kids (Kindl, Tartar, Ferarro) around true champions.

[Guest screwdahawks]

So now your making trades? What would Holland do? So it would have been better if I had said, "I think Hudler might be traded because he sucks" instead of saying I think he should be traded because he sucks?

BTW, have you even watched the business end of hockey at all? What team in their right mind would offer Holland anything more than a bag of pucks for any of those guys knowing damn well that in order to become compliant one of them is going to have to be waived? Oh, here's another shocker, there will no bidding war for Ritola from any team, so if he doesn't make the club, he will be waived and he may get claimed FOR FREE.

you waiver more than a John Kerry, Barrack Obama news conference...

At least they could articulate an answer unlike that blithering idiot George ("I think the Chinese have misunderestimated me") Bush.