Ben Eager

[jollymania 162]

I'm clueless? Youre telling me a gritty player is someone who is a tenacious stick lifter but I'm the clueless one.

Dastyuk is a good player with some grit to his game but not very much. He is a skilled player not a gritty one. I'm not just saying Eager is grittier then Datsyuk but by your definition Dats is grittier then guys like Ian Lapperriere because he isn't a tenacious stick lifter. Youre saying Dats is gritter then Abdelkader because he can go into a corner with 2 guys and come out of it. Thats called skill, they can't take the puck from him. Gritty guys are the ones who are in there digging and hitting people in the corners.

Datsyuk is a great player, Eager is a gritty one and you are a clueless poster.

EAGER IS NOT GRITTY

[HankthaTank 1,100]

Lol... I played them at the same time. They compliment each other.

I feel like all of Pav's moves should have classical symphony in the background. Just try it once. It's the ONLY time I would ever listen to it.

[jollymania 162]

I feel like all of Pav's moves should have classical symphony in the background. Just try it once. It's the ONLY time I would ever listen to it.

this works imo

[Broken 16 381]

this works imo

Nice.

And right at the beginning... at the 8 second mark, there is evidence of grit beyond grit. A double snot rocket. Seriously, how could he be any grittier?

[HankthaTank 1,100]

this works imo

Well done! Hey we all love a montage! Not classical yet it works as well...

[Guest Crymson]

Miller is not faster, has had a 2 goal and a 4 goal season and they are roughly the same age. Eager has put up more goals then Miller has, hits way harder and is obviously a much better fighter. Eager isn't bad defensively.

Miller really brings nothing to this team, he doesn't hit, fight, score and plays an average PK.

Miller was one of our better PKers this season, especially in the playoffs. Speed? I don't recall Eager being extremely fast. Eager isn't as good defensively as Miller is. Goals? Equivalent. As Lidstromboli has pointed out, you're really trying to twist the stats here, and that makes me hesitant to continue discussing this with you.

In any event, Miller is a UFA and will come cheap; meanwhile, Eager is an RFA and may be more expensive.

Not interested, If we add somebody it needs to be a goal scorer. Our 3rd and 4th lines of draper, Helm, Eaves, Miller, Williams amd Cleary didn't score this year and that IMO cost us the most. Williams gets replaced by Huds and my guess Miller gets replaced by Ritola/Abby but other than Huds, these guys aren't goal scorers. We don't need another huge hitter who can't score.

Cleary IS a goal-scorer. He was playing on a non-scoring line and with a twice-torn meniscus all year, he still put up 15 goals and 20 assists. Miller, Helm and Eaves each put up 10 goals. That's 45 goals right there from four members of the bottom two lines, and one key scorer there was injured the whole season. Bear in mind that the other two bottom-liners were Williams and Leino---they were both terrible.

[HankthaTank 1,100]

Miller was one of our better PKers this season, especially in the playoffs. Speed? I don't recall Eager being extremely fast. Eager isn't as good defensively as Miller is. Goals? Equivalent. As Lidstromboli has pointed out, you're really trying to twist the stats here, and that makes me hesitant to continue discussing this with you.

In any event, Miller is a UFA and will come cheap; meanwhile, Eager is an RFA and may be more expensive.

Cleary IS a goal-scorer. He was playing on a non-scoring line and with a twice-torn meniscus all year, he still put up 15 goals and 20 assists. Miller, Helm and Eaves each put up 10 goals. That's 45 goals right there from four members of the bottom two lines, and one key scorer there was injured the whole season. Bear in mind that the other two bottom-liners were Williams and Leino---they were both terrible.

Yeah not quite sure what the Cleary hate is all about. But then I do remember that every poster is reliving their "glory days" of hockey on here and realized back in their day they could have played through the torn meniscus like Cleary did and light it up like he did in the 08 and 09 playoffs. Get real folks, this guy is coming back at 100% and WAS on the first line back when we made a more than sufficient CUP RUN. We forget so quickly. Clears is a beast.

Edited June 4, 2010 by HankthaTank

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029]

Off topic but NHL.com is reporting that Shawn Thornton has signed a 2 year extension with Boston.

[GMRwings1983 8,794]

I wonder how "Eager" he would be to play here?

Oh and this "team toughness" talk is so 2007, guys. Babcock and Holland have stated their belief in having a tough guy in the lineup. Come off it already.

Edited June 4, 2010 by GMRwings1983

[jollymania 162]

I wonder how "Eager" he would be to play here?

Oh and this "team toughness" talk is so 2007, guys. Babcock and Holland have stated their belief in having a tough guy in the lineup. Come off it already.

I don't know who was using that, but adding eager would detract form team toughness. Asham sounds right.

[GMRwings1983 8,794]

I don't know who was using that, but adding eager would detract form team toughness. Asham sounds right.

By tough, we're talking about tough guys, namely players who can handle themselves well in fights. When you start mentioning Datsyuk as tough, that's when you get into that "team toughness" phrase. Datsyuk is not tough in the traditional hockey sense of tough guy, so I wish you guys would stop calling him that.

And what makes Asham tougher than Eager? I think they're about equal fighters. How does Asham play tougher or fight tougher?

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029]

By tough, we're talking about tough guys, namely players who can handle themselves well in fights. When you start mentioning Datsyuk as tough, that's when you get into that "team toughness" phrase. Datsyuk is not tough in the traditional hockey sense of tough guy, so I wish you guys would stop calling him that.

And what makes Asham tougher than Eager? I think they're about equal fighters. How does Asham play tougher or fight tougher?

I'd welcome both of them here.Asham is more well rounded.Eager is still fairly young,which is what were looking for.

[NBCnothingbutcrosby 159]

Trade Cleary and a low pick for him.

Please god Cleary waive your NTC

[jollymania 162]

Eager just honestly challenged leino to a fight

By tough, we're talking about tough guys, namely players who can handle themselves well in fights. When you start mentioning Datsyuk as tough, that's when you get into that "team toughness" phrase. Datsyuk is not tough in the traditional hockey sense of tough guy, so I wish you guys would stop calling him that.

And what makes Asham tougher than Eager? I think they're about equal fighters. How does Asham play tougher or fight tougher?

Asham doesn't run around liek a pansy, he backchecks, roughs it up in the corners, wins more fights, and doens't back down, asham has already challenge eager a few times in this series

team toughness = team being tough not datsyuk

fighitng toughness does not equal hockey toughness, is it htat hard to understand? You can be tough but not fight regularily

Edited June 5, 2010 by jollymania

[jollymania 162]

any one watching the game, that shift was the definition of eager fail

[HankthaTank 1,100]

Trade Cleary and a low pick for him.

Please god Cleary waive your NTC

SOO far from a fair trade. Proving your ass hattery on the daily.

[redwingfan19 293]

eager got his ass beat by a 40 year old gary roberts..

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[GMRwings1983 8,794]

Eager just honestly challenged leino to a fight

Asham doesn't run around liek a pansy, he backchecks, roughs it up in the corners, wins more fights, and doens't back down, asham has already challenge eager a few times in this series

team toughness = team being tough not datsyuk

fighitng toughness does not equal hockey toughness, is it htat hard to understand? You can be tough but not fight regularily

You do realize that when we say we want a tough guy, we're referring to a fighter?

You can't then take that and say, "well Datsyuk is tough". We don't care if you think Datsyuk is tough. We're talking about tough guys/fighters/enforcers.

Edited June 5, 2010 by GMRwings1983

[jollymania 162]

You do realize that when we say we want a tough guy, we're referring to a fighter?

You can't then take that and say, "well Datsyuk is tough" we don't care if you think Datsyuk is tough. We're talking about tough guys/fighters/enforcers.

and eager, while being a fighter is not tough, it is really not hard concept to follow

[Guest micah]

and eager, while being a fighter is not tough, it is really not hard concept to follow

I'm pretty dense, please explain how a man who fights 200 lb professional atheletes for a living isn't tough.

I did get a kick out of your statement implying that Pavs could play tougher, he just chooses not to - almost as if you really think Pavel could be that magic, 1 in 50 supertar, the Neely, the Shanahan, the Lindros - able to kick ass, take names and score goals. Pavs *could* be that player, he just chooses not to, right?

All men who fight regularily in the NHL are tough, every last one of them. Not every goal scorer is tough. Hull wasn't tough, Franzen is the anti-tough, Dats isn't tough. Respect them for what they are, but don't just immagine s***.

Edited June 5, 2010 by micah

[jollymania 162]

I'm pretty dense, please explain how a man who fights 200 lb professional atheletes for a living isn't tough.

I did get a kick out of your statement implying that Pavs could play tougher, he just chooses not to - almost as if you really think Pavel could be that magic, 1 in 50 supertar, the Neely, the Shanahan, the Lindros - able to kick ass, take names and score goals. Pavs *could* be that player, he just chooses not to, right?

All men who fight regularily in the NHL are tough, every last one of them. Not every goal scorer is tough. Hull wasn't tough, Franzen is the anti-tough, Dats isn't tough. Respect them for what they are, but don't just immagine s***.

Eager has probably 2 minutes of total fiht time this year, out of how many hours he has lived?

pronger rarely fights he must not be tough, you fail

I never said goal scorers are automatically tough, as a fighter eager is a flying ******, and just because he fights more than other guys doesn't make him any tougher. And in today's nhl more punches miss than land. And yes, i have been in a hockey fight before.

Edited June 5, 2010 by jollymania

[Guest micah]

Eager has probably 2 minutes of total fiht time this year, out of how many hours he has lived?

pronger rarely fights he must not be tough,

He's willingly fought men like Ratis Ivanans, Colton Orr, George Parros, you can't do that and not be tough. He isn't a great fighter, but he is willing to at least occasionally fight players that someone in his role has no business fighting. That's tough.

you fail

What are you, 11?

I never said goal scorers are automatically tough, as a fighter eager is a flying ******, and just because he fights more than other guys doesn't make him any tougher. And in today's nhl more punches miss than land.

Yes, his willingness to fight does make him tougher than players who are unwilling to fight.

And yes, i have been in a hockey fight before.

Color me impressed. I boxed a few times, so I totally know what professional boxing is all about, those guys aren't tough.

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029]

Eager constantly takes on guys far bigger than him.I don't get how people don't think he's tough.

Edited June 5, 2010 by Bring Back The Bruise Bros

[jollymania 162]

Eager constantly takes on guys far bigger than him.I don't get how people don't think he's tough.

because he doesn't jsut fight half the game is challenging guys like leino and running away form guys like a princess

He's willingly fought men like Ratis Ivanans, Colton Orr, George Parros, you can't do that and not be tough. He isn't a great fighter, but he is willing to at least occasionally fight players that someone in his role has no business fighting. That's tough.

What are you, 11?

Yes, his willingness to fight does make him tougher than players who are unwilling to fight.

Color me impressed. I boxed a few times, so I totally know what professional boxing is all about, those guys aren't tough.

you say the same stupid things in every thread, you have some kind of ego.

HE is willing to fight, he is tough in that regard, but that doesn't make him tougher than other guys who show toughness in other ways, fighting is only one way to show toughness, not the only way, you seem to think it is. Eager would scamper off the ice in that situation. OVERALL he is not a tough player, especially for being a fighter, and he sucks at the sport of hockey, he is the epitome of what Holland doesn't want on his team.

Edited June 5, 2010 by jollymania

[cjm502 165]

because he doesn't jsut fight half the game is challenging guys like leino and running away form guys like a princess

you say the same stupid things in every thread, you have some kind of ego.

HE is willing to fight, he is tough in that regard, but that doesn't make him tougher than other guys who show toughness in other ways, fighting is only one way to show toughness, not the only way, you seem to think it is. Eager would scamper off the ice in that situation. OVERALL he is not a tough player, especially for being a fighter, and he sucks at the sport of hockey, he is the epitome of what Holland doesn't want on his team.

Im not sure if you can read peoples minds or what, because im pretty curious on how you seem to know what Holland wants and does not want. If he does want anything it is a gritty bottom 6 player, as he has already stated. Please enlighten me, how is Eager not a gritty bottom 6 guy?