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The single biggest scapegoat of the Red Wings in the last 20+ years...

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I didn't post the facts to illustrate that he was an "extra bad person", only to refute those who laud him for voluntarily forfeiting half his salary. That wasn't how it went down. It's similar to the way in which the story about how Dom became a Wing in the first place has evolved from the truth, which was that Dom had his agent call the Wings and tell them that he was leaving Buffalo, and that he wanted to play for Detroit - but that if Detroit didn't want him, then he'd sign with the Blues, to "the Wings pursued Hasek." There's quite a bit of difference between the two scenarios, but it's the false scenario which is "remembered" now as the truth.

K... Point was to people in here probably was that he was a Red Wing and won us the Stanley Cup in 2002. I don't see anything really shady or out of whack about "how he became a Wing" if this is the case. I don't think a lot of people in here are going to care all that badly about how it "all went down" or whatever.

You're kidding, right? C'mon, you don't remember the flap that caused in Buffalo, when he made that statement during his retirement speech after the Cup Win in 2002?

Nope, I don't remember it.

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Every single Wings' goalie ever.

Robert Lang

Boyd Devereaux

Brett Lebda

Kopecky will always grind my gears.

Nothing infuriated me more than the Wings down 1 or 2 goals in the third, and Babcock puts in Kopecky (while sitting Hudler) who promptly flops around on the ice like a fish out of water for his entire shift.

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K... Point was to people in here probably was that he was a Red Wing and won us the Stanley Cup in 2002. I don't see anything really shady or out of whack about "how he became a Wing" if this is the case. I don't think a lot of people in here are going to care all that badly about how it "all went down" or whatever.

Yeah. That's the point. Most laud him FOR "how it all went down", while being totally unaware that it didn't go down that way, at all. And THAT is the point.

And while most Wings fans may not consider it "shady", how Dom became a Wing....

ALL Sabres fans consider it VERY shady. Matter of perspective.

Regardless, it's not about how "shady" one considers it. It's about the fact that so many "remember" it, or in this case MISREMEMBER it, in a way in which it never happened.

They have, effectively, revised history with their "mismemory" of the event. That is the point I'm trying to make.

Nope, I don't remember it.

LOL. I figured as much. Ask a Buffalo Sabres fan. I'm sure they'll remember it quite vividly.

Did you even read the blog post I linked?

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Yeah. That's the point. Most laud him FOR "how it all went down", while being totally unaware that it didn't go down that way, at all. And THAT is the point.

And while most Wings fans may not consider it "shady", how Dom became a Wing....

ALL Sabres fans consider it VERY shady. Matter of perspective.

Regardless, it's not about how "shady" one considers it. It's about the fact that so many "remember" it, or in this case MISREMEMBER it, in a way in which it never happened.

They have, effectively, revised history with their "mismemory" of the event. That is the point I'm trying to make.

That happens with pretty much anything in life. You need to figure out what you want to believe or not.

LOL. I figured as much. Ask a Buffalo Sabres fan. I'm sure they'll remember it quite vividly.

Did you even read the blog post I linked?

Yep, I read it.

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I wanted to say scapegoat is the wrong word here, then I looked up the definition:

–noun a person or group made to bear the blame for others or to suffer in their place.

The word gets thrown around to easily but at the time there were people that blamed him for the early playoff loses(maybe they do even now). Joseph didn't cost the Wings their offense did. Maybe Lewis is a better choice, you could get arguments on either side.

As much as I loved what Hasek did for us in 02 I equally disliked what he did to the team when he came back. He created a goalie problem when there shouldn't have been one. Cujo has every right to hate his time here.

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That happens with pretty much anything in life. You need to figure out what you want to believe or not.

With all due respect, I'm not the type who even attempts to "figure out" whether or not I want to "believe" something I know for a fact is an outright falsehood.

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How they treated CuJo was disgraceful (particularly in light of the fact that this is usually a class act organization). But he isn't the biggest scapegoat in recent history. If you're talking about FAN reaction to the player (not just front office), Cheveldae has to be one of the immediate favorites, but Keith Primeau probably gets placed ahead of him because of how popular and productive he was for years in the Winged Wheel, and then he has one horrible playoff run in 1996 (17 games, 1 goal), and suddenly he became the face of everything wrong with this team in the playoffs (along with Coffey, who was also scapegoated, but actually shot at his own net). Primeau went on to have a very nice career in Carolina and Philadelphia, and his triple overtime goal against the Pens (2000, I think) made me very happy for him, since the knock on him was that he could never score in the clutch.

Most Red Wing fans "beef" with Primeau was his attitude, and the fact that he felt he should be centering 1 of the top 2 lines; 3rd line center was beneath him as was playing wing on 1 the top 2 lines...He got his ice time when he was sent packing to Hartford for Shanahan.

In his career, Keith Primeau had a mindset that he wanted to be the star; not a star, but the star, no matter where he played or at what level. Part of this was being captain. When he realized that wasn't going to happen in Detroit for a long time, he set his sights elsewhere. Maybe he was a great leader; he just wasn't going to be great leader in Detroit.

Yup - this right here.

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Primeau was not a scapegoat. Cujo was. Hell, Vernon was too at one point. Osgood at several. Since the late 90s when I can remember being involved in hockey discussions online (few to no hockey discussions in Cali as it is, when I was that age, and that long ago) that included other Wings fans, the biggest scapegoats I've seen are Fedorov, Cujo, Osgood, and Lilja. One of those I agree with. ;)

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Most Red Wing fans "beef" with Primeau was his attitude, and the fact that he felt he should be centering 1 of the top 2 lines; 3rd line center was beneath him as was playing wing on 1 the top 2 lines...He got his ice time when he was sent packing to Hartford for Shanahan.

Yup - this right here.

3rd line center is beneath Filppula too according to most of this board. Filppula is a borderline top six forward, while Primeau was a legit power forward when he made comments to that effect. Think we could trade Filppula and Brad Stuart for Jarome Iginla?

No, that kind of attitude shouldn't fly. But at the same time, his comments were more about getting more playing time at center than about being a third line center. Primeau probably would have been fine as the third line center on this year's team because he'd get 2-3 more minutes at center. That was his issue.

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3rd line center is beneath Filppula too according to most of this board. Filppula is a borderline top six forward, while Primeau was a legit power forward when he made comments to that effect. Think we could trade Filppula and Brad Stuart for Jarome Iginla?

No, that kind of attitude shouldn't fly. But at the same time, his comments were more about getting more playing time at center than about being a third line center. Primeau probably would have been fine as the third line center on this year's team because he'd get 2-3 more minutes at center. That was his issue.

Comparing apples to oranges, aren't we? I fail to see the correlation between what Primeau said in 1996 and this year's squad.

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