WorkingOvertime 536 Report post Posted January 25, 2011 Here an enforcer is designated as a player like Boll, Prust, Neil, Konopka, Rupp, etc, and not someone like Boogard, Koci, Gillies, etc. I think that most of the enforcer debate revolves around a person's hockey history, and I am hoping this poll can prove (or disprove) my theory. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted January 25, 2011 Support over who? In what role? You can be indifferent to a signing, you know. 1 Frozen-Man reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted January 25, 2011 (edited) One of the bloggers at sports.yahoo.com recently came out with an article about enforcers vs tough players. Maybe it will help you prove or disprove your theory. http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Bourne-Blog-When-it-comes-to-intimidation-it-s;_ylt=ApsvQnZm1BOOniwrWuMt.eF7vLYF?urn=nhl-312277 PS, you could say he played hockey in NA, too. edit: Doc I just saw you posted the same link in the identical enforcer thread earlier. Edited January 25, 2011 by Echolalia Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WorkingOvertime 536 Report post Posted January 25, 2011 Support over who? In what role? You can be indifferent to a signing, you know. In general. I tried to leave it ambiguous so the results weren't skewed by people's feelings for any one player. Basically, it is your overall feeling about the subject- if you think the Wings should have a player like this or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted January 25, 2011 Who just called XM radio about this subject? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cjm502 165 Report post Posted January 25, 2011 I dont care if we have an enforcer, as long as he is also as skilled or more skilled than one of out current players. I am fine without an enforcer too, I really dont care if we have some idiot out there skating around dropping the gloves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WorkingOvertime 536 Report post Posted January 25, 2011 I dont care if we have an enforcer, as long as he is also as skilled or more skilled than one of out current players. I am fine without an enforcer too, I really dont care if we have some idiot out there skating around dropping the gloves. As I said in the topic, the player would be of the skill level of Konopka, Rupp, Neil, etc. To me, this is similar (+ or - a few points) to what we will see from Miller or Draper on the point production side. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted January 25, 2011 This poll is terrible. Prust is the only guy that can actually play hockey. The other two are garbage. If the poll was "Would Prust be a welcome addition to this team", I would have said yes. But you have two pylons. 2/3 are pylons so I was forced to say no. Prust would look good in a Winged wheel, as he actually has talents and is really starting to come into his own since last season. As I said in the topic, the player would be of the skill level of Konopka, Rupp, Neil, etc. To me, this is similar (+ or - a few points) to what we will see from Miller or Draper on the point production side. Neil and Prust ar emuch much better players than Konopka and Rupp. That's like saying would you trade Helm for a player like Eaves/Miller/Filppula/Franzen? There is such a huge discrepancy in skill and point production. 4 Doc Holliday, Selliria, HankthaTank and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WorkingOvertime 536 Report post Posted January 25, 2011 This poll is terrible. Prust is the only guy that can actually play hockey. The other two are garbage. If the poll was "Would Prust be a welcome addition to this team", I would have said yes. But you have two pylons. 2/3 are pylons so I was forced to say no. Prust would look good in a Winged wheel, as he actually has talents and is really starting to come into his own since last season. I'd prefer to keep this discussion in the other thread since this is more of a poll to get people's opinions. However, Konopka and Rupp are far from pylons. Rupp had 19 points last year (pylon?). Konopka's strengths can be found in the other thread. If you don't think Konopka could produce the same (or close to the amount) as Miller with Helm, Eaves instead of Gillies, Martin thae I think we have very different views of Konopka. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted January 25, 2011 I don't support a goon being on the team that will accumulate less than 10 points throughout the course of the season and will average a fight/game. I would like a power-forward type though, who can contribute offensively at least as regularly as Miller or Eaves right now, yet can also drop the gloves, lay heavy hits, and wear down the opposition on a nightly basis when need be. The problem with getting someone like that on the roster is cap-space. A player who can score occasionally and hit hard demands more money than a strictly finesse/shooter/passer or strictly tough guy does. When the type of player we're talking about is likely going to have 3rd or 4th line minutes, is it worth the investment in him? For what its worth, I would love to see Steve Downie in a Wings uniform (if the price is right of course) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted January 25, 2011 (edited) I'd prefer to keep this discussion in the other thread since this is more of a poll to get people's opinions. However, Konopka and Rupp are far from pylons. Rupp had 19 points last year (pylon?). Konopka's strengths can be found in the other thread. If you don't think Konopka could produce the same (or close to the amount) as Miller with Helm, Eaves instead of Gillies, Martin thae I think we have very different views of Konopka. My post concerned the poll and your comment in this thread. You have a list of players in the poll, one of which is good while they two others aren't. i think it's highly relevant to mention as I defended my poll pick. And last year was an anomaly for Rupp, it was his first year in 8 years that he had over 9 points. Edited January 25, 2011 by Konnan511 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WorkingOvertime 536 Report post Posted January 25, 2011 My post concerned the poll and your comment in this thread. You have a list of players in the poll, one of which is good while they two others aren't. i think it's highly relevant to mention as I defended my poll pick. Use short handed TOI, TOI, FO% (if relevant), hits, points, etc. to defend your accusations of these 'pylon' players though. My argument for players like this is that they provide as much (or close to) of these measures as our current 12th/13th forwards while bringing other (less measurable) things to the team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Finnish Wing 110 Report post Posted January 25, 2011 (edited) I'd like to see this kinda poll: Enforcer - yes/no ? Post a picture of yourself. What level of education do you have? Just out of curiosity. Edited January 25, 2011 by Finnish Wing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WorkingOvertime 536 Report post Posted January 25, 2011 (edited) . Edited October 14, 2016 by WorkingOvertime Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WorkingOvertime 536 Report post Posted January 25, 2011 (edited) . Edited October 14, 2016 by WorkingOvertime 1 HankthaTank reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted January 25, 2011 I'd like to see this kinda poll: Enforcer - yes/no ? Post a picture of yourself. What level of education do you have? Just out of curiosity. So wait. Filppula is a member of Mensa now? Currently in first year of PhD program. Yeah, but you are from Columbus. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted January 25, 2011 IMHO the #1 problem with the Red Wings is that we're not seeing these types of players being drafted, and yes - as of now these types of players are in fact a rarity (unlike 15 plus years ago). That's my point too. Would you rather spend 2mil on a guy who will fight and put up 20 points, or a guy who will bag 20 goals and 20 assists? For me personally, it's the latter. I'd take a guy who fights, regularly puts up 20 points +/- 5 and makes 1mil +/- .5mil all day long for the fourth line. But I'll pass on the guy who regularly puts up 10 points and fights over the guy who will score 10 goals and add 10 assists. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted January 25, 2011 Give me Danny Cleary and all the intangibles he brings over a knuckle dragger any day. 5 GoWings1905, Selliria, Frozen-Man and 2 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted January 25, 2011 I'd like to see this kinda poll: Enforcer - yes/no ? Post a picture of yourself. What level of education do you have? Just out of curiosity. No 3 Masters: Sports Management/Economics/Business Administration 1 Zeowingsfan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shaman 713 Report post Posted January 25, 2011 No enforcer. Its a waste of roster space, they never fit into the wings' system of rolling four balanced lines and will put further strain on the top two lines to do the bulk of the scoring. Currently completing a double major in biology and pre-med (biomedical science), and minors in Chemistry and German. 1 HankthaTank reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WorkingOvertime 536 Report post Posted January 25, 2011 (edited) . Edited October 14, 2016 by WorkingOvertime Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Electrophile 3,554 Report post Posted January 25, 2011 My opinion is for whichever choice will give the Wings the best chance game after game to win. 1 Frozen-Man reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WorkingOvertime 536 Report post Posted January 25, 2011 My opinion is for whichever choice will give the Wings the best chance game after game to win. What if you were GM, piecing together the Wings? Not to say any of us would do a good job, but this poll is basically a play the GM poll (your opinion). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted January 25, 2011 (edited) Even in the 90s when there was no cap, the Wings fighters were also regular point-getters. Shanahan was a beast with the puck, Kocur almost broke 40 points, McCarty almost broke 50. Hell, even Probert was known to light the lamp. No enforcer. Its a waste of roster space, they never fit into the wings' system of rolling four balanced lines and will put further strain on the top two lines to do the bulk of the scoring. Currently completing a double major in biology and pre-med (biomedical science), and minors in Chemistry and German. Go Broncos! also: no enforcer, BS in biomedical science, double minor in chemistry and psychology, currently interviewing at medical schools (Wayne State was yesterday, MSU is on Thursday) for Fall 2011. Edited January 25, 2011 by Echolalia 1 Shaman reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Electrophile 3,554 Report post Posted January 25, 2011 That is my opinion. I don't see the appeal of enforcers, but if we need one to win, we should get one. If we don't need one to win, we shouldn't get one. Right now, I don't think we need one. 1 Frozen-Man reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
