Is Barret Jackman the worst Calder Trophy winner ever?

[Drake_Marcus 890]

Mason was also seriously overhped in his rookie season. He was not even the best rookie goaltender in his rookie year; Pekka Rinne was. His having a stellar month and a half after Leclaire went down won him the Calder.

His shut out totals won it for him. SO's arent' hype.

10 SO 2.29GAA .916SV%

How is that overhyped? TEN SHUTOUTS! T E N.

[eva unit zero 271]

This isn't true.

Mason was lights out, had a ton of shutouts.

You just like second guessing every decision made.

Z probably should have won that year, but Jackman played very, very good hockey. I thought watching him that he was going to be the next Pronger, he hasn't really panned out but he still played great that year.

I would love to have him on Detroit instead of Salei

From the start of November 08 through the end of December 2008, Mason posted 12-7-1, .938sv%, 1.69 GAA, and 5 shutouts in 20 games.

From January to the end of the 08-09 season, he posted 21-13-0, .907sv%, 2.59GAA, and 5 shutouts in 41 games.

You don't think that's Mason going on a wild hot streak at the beginning of the year that carried hype about him through to the award voting?

His shut out totals won it for him. SO's arent' hype.

10 SO 2.29GAA .916SV%

How is that overhyped? TEN SHUTOUTS! T E N.

Rinne had seven shutouts, and had a consistently very good season while Mason had a month and a half of greatness before dropping down to Earth.

Edited January 29, 2011 by eva unit zero

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Jackman isn't bad, but he definitely hasn't been as good as you'd expect when you look at the list of other Calder winners.

I don't really care that he won it over Z though. Zetterberg has already won a Cup and a Conn Smythe - two things Jackman may never achieve in his career.

To me, in the list of trophies and awards, the Calder doesn't mean a whole lot.

[Konnan511 1,736]

From the start of November 08 through the end of December 2008, Mason posted 12-7-1, .938sv%, 1.69 GAA, and 5 shutouts in 20 games.

From January to the end of the 08-09 season, he posted 21-13-0, .907sv%, 2.59GAA, and 5 shutouts in 41 games.

You don't think that's Mason going on a wild hot streak at the beginning of the year that carried hype about him through to the award voting?

Rinne had seven shutouts, and had a consistently very good season while Mason had a month and a half of greatness before dropping down to Earth.

I would have given the Calder to Rinne that season, and I honestly thought he was going to get it.

[achildr1 255]

From the start of November 08 through the end of December 2008, Mason posted 12-7-1, .938sv%, 1.69 GAA, and 5 shutouts in 20 games.

From January to the end of the 08-09 season, he posted 21-13-0, .907sv%, 2.59GAA, and 5 shutouts in 41 games.

You don't think that's Mason going on a wild hot streak at the beginning of the year that carried hype about him through to the award voting?

Rinne had seven shutouts, and had a consistently very good season while Mason had a month and a half of greatness before dropping down to Earth.

This shouldn't take long...

Rinne plays for the consistantly over-achieving, well coached, hard working, and most importantly, defensively responsible Nashville Predators.

Mason plays for the Columbus Blue Jackets....who don't even know what style game they're going to play from year to year. Also, I wonder who their best defensive defensman was that year...Klesla? Commodore?

Point is, obviously, Mason was pretty much a one man show and basically single handedly got them into their first ever playoff. He deserved the Calder.

Edited January 29, 2011 by achildr1

[newfy 695]

From the start of November 08 through the end of December 2008, Mason posted 12-7-1, .938sv%, 1.69 GAA, and 5 shutouts in 20 games.

From January to the end of the 08-09 season, he posted 21-13-0, .907sv%, 2.59GAA, and 5 shutouts in 41 games.

You don't think that's Mason going on a wild hot streak at the beginning of the year that carried hype about him through to the award voting?

Rinne had seven shutouts, and had a consistently very good season while Mason had a month and a half of greatness before dropping down to Earth.

In those months where Mason had fallen back down to earth, he was still only 2 shutouts off of what Rinne had that entire season, and you could say things like that all you want.

Eva after 2010-2011 season " Well uh if you dont look at Crosbys 20 something game point streak he really wasn't that great, he was inconcsistent after that so he shouldn't win any awards"

Players go on streaks, thats what gets them awards, Mason had a good case for the vezina that season for gods sake

[achildr1 255]

In those months where Mason had fallen back down to earth, he was still only 2 shutouts off of what Rinne had that entire season, and you could say things like that all you want.

Eva after 2010-2011 season " Well uh if you dont look at Crosbys 20 something game point streak he really wasn't that great, he was inconcsistent after that so he shouldn't win any awards"

Players go on streaks, thats what gets them awards, Mason had a good case for the vezina that season for gods sake

Mason had a good case for the Hart that season too.

[Finnish Wing 110]

This shouldn't take long...

Rinne plays for the consistantly over-achieving, well coached, hard working, and most importantly, defensively responsible Nashville Predators.

Mason plays for the Columbus Blue Jackets....who don't even know what style game they're going to play from year to year. Also, I wonder who their best defensive defensman was that year...Klesla? Commodore?

Point is, obviously, Mason was pretty much a one man show and basically single handedly got them into their first ever playoff. He deserved the Calder.

Have to agree with this even though I'm his countrymen. Nashville has along with Boston the most defensive system in the league. Guys like Weber, Suter and Hamhuis make it a lot easier for goalie to playe. Mason deserved his calder. Rinne is the better of the two currently though.

[eva unit zero 271]

In those months where Mason had fallen back down to earth, he was still only 2 shutouts off of what Rinne had that entire season, and you could say things like that all you want.

Eva after 2010-2011 season " Well uh if you dont look at Crosbys 20 something game point streak he really wasn't that great, he was inconcsistent after that so he shouldn't win any awards"

Players go on streaks, thats what gets them awards, Mason had a good case for the vezina that season for gods sake

5 shutouts in 41 games, and he still only had a .907 in those 41 games. Ten shutouts in 61 games, and he still only posted a .916; tied for 11th overall.

He did NOT have a good Vezina case; he played top end hockey for a month and a half, plus the occasional game. Mike Smith of Tampa played 41 games over the entire season, posted only two shutouts, and had a .916. Much more consistent performance than Mason, both whole season and final 41 games, and his overall season was just as good on a team that was much worse defensively.

Better candidates, in order:

Tim Thomas, BOS

Tomas Vokoun, FLA

Niklas Backstrom, MIN

Roberto Luongo, VAN

Ryan Miller, BUF

Henrik Lundqvist, NYR

Pekka Rinne, NSH

Cam Ward, CAR

Edited January 29, 2011 by eva unit zero

[Konnan511 1,736]

But back on topic, I think for a player who has won the Calder, his play after he has won the Calder hasn't really improved. maybe he isn't the worst Calder winner ever, but maybe the most disappointing post Calder player.

[eva unit zero 271]

In those months where Mason had fallen back down to earth, he was still only 2 shutouts off of what Rinne had that entire season, and you could say things like that all you want.

Eva after 2010-2011 season " Well uh if you dont look at Crosbys 20 something game point streak he really wasn't that great, he was inconcsistent after that so he shouldn't win any awards"

Players go on streaks, thats what gets them awards, Mason had a good case for the vezina that season for gods sake

If a player who normally scores 1 point per game goes on a 20-game streak where he scores 3 points per game, then plays "normal" and so he now has 120 points and ends up with the Art Ross and the Hart? Sure. But a going on a 20-game hot streak and then playing out the rest of the season like a borderline starter is not the same; Mason's hot streak won him the Calder in SPITE of his poor performance later on. He did NOT deserve it, but the hype he had built up overwhelmed that fact.

If Ovie works out his slump and gets back up top of the goal and point scoring charts, he'll definitely be in the Hart talk. But right now it's Crosby because of his scoring lead and his long streak which too up a huge portion of the season as played so far.

With regards to the defenses Mason and Rinne had in their rookie seasons, Rinne faced 29 shots per game, Mason faced 27. While there is more to it than that, Nashville giving up more shots than Columbus doesn't suggest that they were more protective of their goaltender.

And the top four of Tyutin, Commodore, Hejda, and Klesla was pretty solid defensively. For those who are particularly interested in +/-, Hejda's +23 was 7th in the NHL among defensemen, tied with (among others) Chara despite much worse offense. Commodore tied for 32nd at +11 with other highly effective defensive defensemen with similar offensive output.

Columbus also blocked 96 more shots than Nashville, finishing 22nd to Nashville's 29th.

Mason was hardly a one-man team.

Edited January 29, 2011 by eva unit zero

[newfy 695]

If a player who normally scores 1 point per game goes on a 20-game streak where he scores 3 points per game, then plays "normal" and so he now has 120 points and ends up with the Art Ross and the Hart? Sure. But a going on a 20-game hot streak and then playing out the rest of the season like a borderline starter is not the same; Mason's hot streak won him the Calder in SPITE of his poor performance later on. He did NOT deserve it, but the hype he had built up overwhelmed that fact.

If Ovie works out his slump and gets back up top of the goal and point scoring charts, he'll definitely be in the Hart talk. But right now it's Crosby because of his scoring lead and his long streak which too up a huge portion of the season as played so far.

With regards to the defenses Mason and Rinne had in their rookie seasons, Rinne faced 29 shots per game, Mason faced 27. While there is more to it than that, Nashville giving up more shots than Columbus doesn't suggest that they were more protective of their goaltender.

And the top four of Tyutin, Commodore, Hejda, and Klesla was pretty solid defensively. For those who are particularly interested in +/-, Hejda's +23 was 7th in the NHL among defensemen, tied with (among others) Chara despite much worse offense. Commodore tied for 32nd at +11 with other highly effective defensive defensemen with similar offensive output.

Columbus also blocked 96 more shots than Nashville, finishing 22nd to Nashville's 29th.

Mason was hardly a one-man team.

Mason had more wins, more shutouts and had a save percentage of .001 less then Rinne and Rinee had a defense of Suter, Weber, Hamhuis and Zanon. I think Mason earned his trophy

[Konnan511 1,736]

Mason had more wins, more shutouts and had a save percentage of .001 less then Rinne and Rinee had a defense of Suter, Weber, Hamhuis and Zanon. I think Mason earned his trophy

We have a top 4 of Lidstrom, Rafalski, Kronwall, and Stuart. Names are names, it's all about their play. If you saw those names as a top four (Red Wings) you'd think we shut down every team on a regular basis, but in reality we have been struggling defensively.

[CenterIce 83]

It also doesn't help being a Red Wing. They are usually one of the top teams in the league, so it is thought that the player was helped out by his team. Think of how many Wings finished second over the years. Yzerman, Fedorov, Lidstrom, Zetterberg, and Howard come to mind.

[eva unit zero 271]

It also doesn't help being a Red Wing. They are usually one of the top teams in the league, so it is thought that the player was helped out by his team. Think of how many Wings finished second over the years. Yzerman, Fedorov, Lidstrom, Zetterberg, and Howard come to mind.

Yzerman and Fedorov lost to Vezina winners. Howard lost to Tyler Myers, who finished 15th in Norris Trophy voting and 9th in postseason All-Star voting. Lidstrom lost to Pavel Bure, who finished 12th in right wing voting.

Zetterberg is the only one who got 'screwed' as Jackman received zero votes for Norris or All-Star,and deservedly so.

You also forgot the other recent Calder candidate the Wings had; Chris Osgood, who finished tied for fifth in Calder voting due largely to the fact that he shared a rookie season with Martin Brodeur.(8th Vezina, 6th All-Star) and so as the "other" goaltender his Calder chances were limited. Tuukka Rask lost a lot of votes last year due simply to Jimmy Howard, and Howard due to Rask. If only one was playing, they would likely have won the Calder.

[eva unit zero 271]

Mason had more wins, more shutouts and had a save percentage of .001 less then Rinne and Rinee had a defense of Suter, Weber, Hamhuis and Zanon. I think Mason earned his trophy

Mason was 33-20-7 to Rinne's 29-15-4. Rinne's point percentage was 64.6% to Mason's 60.8%, and Rinne won 60.4% of his games to Mason's 55%

Only San Jose and Detroit allowed fewer shots per game than Columbus, despite the fact that Columbus was a below-average shot-blocking team (and Detroit was near the worst)

Nashville was around the middle for shots allowed, and was near the worst for shots blocked.

Columbus won one more game, two more of their losses were OT/SO, and their offense was vastly less productive.

Columbus missed the playoffs by an OTL, while Nashville made it as the 7th seed and the 8th worst goal differential; 24th in GF/G and 13th in goals against.

Rinne's performance was better than Mason's, and he was arguably the more valuable goalie as well.