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#1 dirtydangles

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 02:19 PM

The wings have been beaten out in for top players in Free Agency by the wild. Never thought I would say those words. The general thought by every non-wings fan is that we have an aging core and few players want to come to Detroit and get stuck here after Z and Dats decline. I see this being a continuing issue as they are only getting older over time.

My proposed solution is that we need to trade some of our aging assets now why they still have value for younger promising players to bring back some youth to this team to draw UFAs here long term. I don't see why Weber's decision would be any different next season (the Pens will be in on him as well as the Flyers which are both younger teams).

I think by signing some players in their prime (Semin, Mueller) and trading some older players (Franzen) along with pieces of value (Filppula) we can get some young talent back on the Wings.

What do you think our image has become and how/would you change it? Would you wait it out and see how our prospects develop? Or make changes now? Would you consider a huge shakeup?

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 02:28 PM

Trading for Nash or (more likely) Ryan and acquiring a good, young D-man would go a long way in doing what you suggest. However, don't think that this whole Parise-Suter bromance represents the rest of the FA class this year or next.

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 02:28 PM

peter mueller played in 32 games last season and missed the season before that if he's our big forward aquistion thats in there prime then were in even more deep sh*t than we already are

Edited by nyqvististhefuture, 04 July 2012 - 02:28 PM.


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Posted 04 July 2012 - 02:29 PM

I use to be against this 110% but now after losing Suter and Parise I think it is something that should be looked at in the very least. Though we MUST trade for Nash or Ryan and Sign Carle. I think Suter and Parise wanted to play close to home.

Edited by IllinoisRedWingsFan, 04 July 2012 - 02:30 PM.


#5 dirtydangles

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 02:30 PM

peter mueller played in 32 games last season and missed the season before that if he's our big forward aquistion thats in there prime then were in even more deep sh*t than we already are

okay look past the peter mueller and see semin. what should we do?

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 02:31 PM

I think our Image will remain the same, a generally hard working squad who competes to win. Until we start losing I don't see what would change, this was a unique situation for Parise & Suter and the fact Parise choose to go home and help his hometown team win with a friend does not dictate that the Red Wings are any less of an organization imo. We'll see how Kenny & Co. close out here in the next few weeks.
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Posted 04 July 2012 - 02:34 PM

okay look past the peter mueller and see semin. what should we do?



there's not much to do , i dont see columbus trading nash to us .... only options available to us via trade might be yandle or ryan(who i think will be going to the flyers)


i think we might have to just suck it up this year give the kids some ice time and hopefully nail few of weber,perry,getzlaf next ufa

there really isnt any great options out there , shane doan would be great here but he wont come

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#8 dirtydangles

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 02:35 PM

there's not much to do , i dont see columbus trading nash to us .... only options available to us via trade might be yandle or ryan(who i think will be going to the flyers)


i think we might have to just suck it up this year give the kids some ice time and hopefully nail few of weber,perry,getzlaf

there really isnt any great options out there , shane doan would be great here but he wont come

Thats kinda what we were saying at the beginning of last year... hopefully the UFAs show up. We need to give them more reason to i think.

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 02:36 PM

I think it's time to start fast tracking these prospects. A youth movement might be a good thing. Unfortunately, it seems, the only way to build your franchise back up is either albatross contracts, or drafting.

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 02:38 PM

I think it's time to start fast tracking these prospects. A youth movement might be a good thing. Unfortunately, it seems, the only way to build your franchise back up is either albatross contracts, or drafting.

Following that sad but true logic, we won't see Z or Dats lift another cup until we tank and draft some high end talent.

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 02:47 PM

Wolski! We need a polack.

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 02:49 PM

Wolski! We need a polack.

I'm not opposed to this at all. Kenny is gonna have to work on some projects at this point.

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 02:54 PM

Flip has one year left on his contract and is likely to re-sign (at a good number) with Detroit. Therefore, Flip has more worth to the Wings than he does to any other team.

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 02:57 PM

Flip has one year left on his contract and is likely to re-sign (at a good number) with Detroit. Therefore, Flip has more worth to the Wings than he does to any other team.


Flip is at best a second line center by trading him and getting a 1st line caliber winger it would be a win for us.

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 02:59 PM

Flip is at best a second line center by trading him and getting a 1st line caliber winger it would be a win for us.

Who is the second line center is Z/Dats are injured? Helm cannot play that position. Further, Flip is younger than Dats/Z and can help make the transition when Dats/Z retire/age.

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 03:00 PM

We need a three team trade involving Columbus and Phoenix along with Detroit.
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#17 dirtydangles

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 03:05 PM

We need a three team trade involving Columbus and Phoenix along with Detroit.

do we end up getting nash and yandle for next to nothing? :P i kid i kid...

Who is the second line center is Z/Dats are injured? Helm cannot play that position. Further, Flip is younger than Dats/Z and can help make the transition when Dats/Z retire/age.

so we keep a "backup 2nd line centre" when we have nothing on d? who is gonna play d when kronner gets injured?

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 03:07 PM

I wouldn't mind seeing Franzen Z or Dats moved for younger talent. But honestly in the cap. era why would a team want one of the aging declining expensive vets for young up and coming star potential talent. As much as we love those guys getting a young up and coming star for them won't happen.

I think the best bet is to realize we're stuck with them maybe we can dump Franzen. Adding a Semin and/or Doan will help but we def. need more grit on this team. Next off-season Weber should be our number 1 target. I just don't see us adding a true number 1 defensemen before then.

I do love the TooToo signing I hope him helm and Abby play together that's our next grind line and a pretty darn good #4 line if you ask me. Add like Semin and Doan and we're set for forwards. We need a time defensmen very very badly though...too bad nick can't come back for 1 more year :(

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 03:08 PM

Wolski is a UFA. We'd be adding another forward. But a young one, he was scary at one point, there is top 6 potential there, unlike, say, Cleary or Bert. If we move some fowards in trades. this guy would be a great pickup imo

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 03:11 PM

do we end up getting nash and yandle for next to nothing? :P i kid i kid...


so we keep a "backup 2nd line centre" when we have nothing on d? who is gonna play d when kronner gets injured?

Flip is a long-term solution as a second line center. Look at Chicago's season this year for how important center depth is in the NHL.

If Mule+Jurco/Pulk+Kindl/Cleary/Quincy+2 1st's+McDonald isn't enough, then IMO the price it too high.

The Wings aren't looking great for next season, but I would rather hold assests likely to help in the next 5+ years than gamble for success next season.

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