All about puck possession?

[puckbags 863]

This chart is really awesome once you understand it lol

http://deadspin.com/this-wonderful-graphic-proves-that-in-the-nhl-puck-pos-470045959?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

This guy has put a lot of work into proving that puck possession is very key to winning in this league.

Take it however you want obviously.

[Nev 1,085]

Well, duh. "Teams that score more than the opposition win the most"

I haven't figured out how we can correlate that to how Holland should be fired for not making any trades, but I'm sure it won't be long before someone enlightens me.

Edited April 4, 2013 by Nev

[evilzyme 769]

I think it's a pretty basic principle that if you keep possession of the puck, it makes it hard for the other team to score goals. You know?

[puckbags 863]

I think it's a pretty basic principle that if you keep possession of the puck, it makes it hard for the other team to score goals. You know?

Agreed, but you also have to have players to play a style like that. Some do..some don't.

[Richdg 267]

What is interesting is, of the teams in the CF and SC, 11 were from the East and 9 from the West. We are switching over and adding 2 more to the east and subtracting 2 from the west. It also shows that the east is as skilled or more than the west, while being bigger and more physical. as of today only 4 WC teams are in the top 10 in hits, and only 3 EC teams are in the bottom 10 in hits.

Edited April 4, 2013 by Richdg

[13dangledangle 968]

For the last 20 years puck possession has been our bread and butter, or it was we don't do it as well anymore. I would like to see that graph done with players, Datsyuk would dangle all over that *****.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

So the earth-shattering conclusion of all that math is that having the puck more and getting more shots on net than your opponent gives you a better chance of winning?

This did little to change my already low opinion of "advanced" hockey statistics and their usefulness.

I think it's also important to note that Fenwick is based on the assumption that directing more shots towards an opponents net equals being in possession of the puck more than your opponent. Also worth noting that it's "towards" the net, not necessarily even on net.

So in this man's humble opinion, they've compiled a bunch of numbers built around a somewhat questionable assumption, in order to prove something that's pretty self evident to anyone who has eyeballs and has directed them "towards" a hockey game.

[Red Crazy 201]

It shows that puck moving d-men are very valuable in this league. Lidstrom and Rafalski were great at making the first pass out of our zone. We turn the puck over way too much in between the blue lines often because of a poor pass from the D. I don't think Detroit has a great puck moving d-man right now. Colo was making some nice ones in his return hopefully that keeps up.

[evilzyme 769]

It shows that puck moving d-men are very valuable in this league. Lidstrom and Rafalski were great at making the first pass out of our zone. We turn the puck over way too much in between the blue lines often because of a poor pass from the D. I don't think Detroit has a great puck moving d-man right now. Colo was making some nice ones in his return hopefully that keeps up.

Puck moving defensemen are valuable because they support the transition. The transition is one of the most important factors of hockey. With a clean transition, you enter the zone with speed. You need clean passes on the blades of the sticks by the defensemen so the forwards can speed ahead on the breakout with no problems. Without speed, you get clogged in the neutral zone and they stack the blue line.

[Dabura 12,232]

So the earth-shattering conclusion of all that math is that having the puck more and getting more shots on net than your opponent gives you a better chance of winning?

This did little to change my already low opinion of "advanced" hockey statistics and their usefulness.

I think it's also important to note that Fenwick is based on the assumption that directing more shots towards an opponents net equals being in possession of the puck more than your opponent. Also worth noting that it's "towards" the net, not necessarily even on net.

So in this man's humble opinion, they've compiled a bunch of numbers built around a somewhat questionable assumption, in order to prove something that's pretty self evident to anyone who has eyeballs and has directed them "towards" a hockey game.

I bet he works for the Wings.

Re: puck-posession, two things:

- You need a fair amount of skill to really make it work. And by "fair amount" I mean "a ton." And, as stacked as we are in the skill department, I kinda wonder if our days of possession majesty are kinda sorta coming to an end. At the very least, you need a ridculously high-end puck-moving defenseman. Of which we have none. (Thanks, Nick.) (Jerk.)

- Generally, the more you possess the puck, the lower your nightly hits total. Which is why I kinda sorta sometimes forgive our boys for being softies. But - and I guess this is kinda sorta the point I'm getting at - I've gotta think we're not possessing the puck as much as, well, say, last season. Which means we should be hitting more.

In conclusion, fire Holland.

[Nev 1,085]

I bet he works for the Wings.

Re: puck-posession, two things:

- You need a fair amount of skill to really make it work. And by "fair amount" I mean "a ton." And, as stacked as we are in the skill department, I kinda wonder if our days of possession majesty are kinda sorta coming to an end. At the very least, you need a ridculously high-end puck-moving defenseman. Of which we have none. (Thanks, Nick.) (Jerk.)

- Generally, the more you possess the puck, the lower your nightly hits total. Which is why I kinda sorta sometimes forgive our boys for being softies. But - and I guess this is kinda sorta the point I'm getting at - I've gotta think we're not possessing the puck as much as, well, say, last season. Which means we should be hitting more.

Babcock loves to tell the story about Fedorov going to Anaheim and complaining to him that the defencemen were just chipping the puck out of the defensive zone rather than passing it onto his stick as he skated through the neutral zone (familiar story this season eh?)

Babs had to point out that he didn't have a Lidstrom or Chelios or Murphy or Coffey or Fetisov like Feds had been used to.

[St. Michael (the Red Wing) 422]

It's an interesting graph I guess...

However I don't see us as a puck possession team anymore. We use to be the best in the business. Lately not so much. And yes certain style of players help the cause for a puck possession team/game.