Targets for the Wings

[marcaractac 3,963]

Adding Pettersson would drag the Wings out of the bottom 10. There would be no shot at Wright or Bedard. 

For the record, I don't think an offer sheet happens. But I sure as hell wouldn't hate it. 

[krsmith17 7,191]

13 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

It's not 2-3 1st round picks dick for brains. It's 2.

So there's about a 4% chance the picks we give up for Pettersson could be a Pettersson. Wow let's play.

Two potential top 10 picks is worth more to this team than an overpaid Elias Pettersson. And yes, I do think Pettersson at $10M is an overpayment. And that's assuming Vancouver wouldn't match.

The odds are much higher than that, but of course you know that...

9 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

Adding Pettersson would drag the Wings out of the bottom 10. There would be no shot at Wright or Bedard. 

For the record, I don't think an offer sheet happens. But I sure as hell wouldn't hate it. 

No one is saying we would be a bottom 10 team with Pettersson. We will however, be a bottom 10 team withOUT Pettersson. If we add Pettersson, I don't think there's any chance we're giving up a top 10 pick (unless that pick wins the lottery). The argument is, if we don't add Pettersson, we should get a top 5-10 pick, which this team desperately needs.

Yeah, an offer sheet isn't happening. That's more of a pipe dream than winning next year's draft lottery in my opinion. It isn't happening, and for good reason.

[marcaractac 3,963]

4 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

Two potential top 10 picks is worth more to this team than an overpaid Elias Pettersson. And yes, I do think Pettersson at $10M is an overpayment. And that's assuming Vancouver wouldn't match.

The odds are much higher than that, but of course you know that...

No one is saying we would be a bottom 10 team with Pettersson. We will however, be a bottom 10 team withOUT Pettersson. If we add Pettersson, I don't think there's any chance we're giving up a top 10 pick (unless that pick wins the lottery). The argument is, if we don't add Pettersson, we should get a top 5-10 pick, which this team desperately needs.

Yeah, an offer sheet isn't happening. That's more of a pipe dream than winning next year's draft lottery in my opinion. It isn't happening, and for good reason.

We still won't suck enough to have any sort of realistic shot at Wright, let alone Bedard. I'd take the odds on an offer sheet all day long myself. The bigger risk would be pissing off some people that could have consequences down the road. But meh. 

[marcaractac 3,963]

4 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

 

You both are so behind the program.

We're not getting top5 picks anymore. Seider and Leddy alone are going to push us into the 10-15 range on picks. The window on the basement tank is over. We got what we got.

I bet you guys pay the moron tax and play the powerball too.

How am I behind the program? I straight up agree we are not a bottom 5 team. Where the hell did I say otherwise? I implied we wouldn't be a basement team by saying we won't suck enough for guys like Wright. I said adding Pettersson would get us out of the bottom TEN, not five. 

[marcaractac 3,963]

Just now, BarkBurgerman said:

Sorry didn't your post after the one I quoted.

Per usual only @krsmith17 is the dink here.

You did me a confuse

[krsmith17 7,191]

35 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

We still won't suck enough to have any sort of realistic shot at Wright, let alone Bedard. I'd take the odds on an offer sheet all day long myself. The bigger risk would be pissing off some people that could have consequences down the road. But meh. 

Offersheets don't happen. Again, we are more likely to win the draft lottery than sign a player like Pettersson to an offersheet. Draft lottery odds (10-20%) are low, but offersheet odds (0%) are much lower...

34 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

We're not getting top5 picks anymore. Seider and Leddy alone are going to push us into the 10-15 range on picks. The window on the basement tank is over. We got what we got.

I completely disagree. This team is not out of the basement yet. I'm actually shocked that you, of all people, think we are. Prepare for another bottom 5-10 finish again this season. I'll give until game 30 before we all start talking about next year's draft and draft lottery...

[marcaractac 3,963]

1 minute ago, krsmith17 said:

Offersheets don't happen. Again, we are more likely to win the draft lottery than sign a player like Pettersson to an offersheet. Draft lottery odds (10-20%) are low, but offersheet odds (0%) are much lower..

For the umpteenth time, I know an offer sheet will not happen. It's a 'what if' scenario on a discussion board. 

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

51 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

 

You both are so behind the program.

We're not getting top5 picks anymore. Seider and Leddy alone are going to push us into the 10-15 range on picks. The window on the basement tank is over. We got what we got.

I bet you guys pay the moron tax and play the powerball too.

KRS is being civil and giving you valid arguments.  Why the hostility?  There's a time for that, but it's not now.

[krsmith17 7,191]

8 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

For the umpteenth time, I know an offer sheet will not happen. It's a 'what if' scenario on a discussion board. 

For the umpteenth time, I know a lottery win isn't likely. It's a 'what if' scenario on a discussion board...

[marcaractac 3,963]

4 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

For the umpteenth time, I know a lottery win isn't likely. It's a 'what if' scenario on a discussion board...

Hey now, you're not allowed to talk about things that are not likely. After all, what's the point? 

[krsmith17 7,191]

2 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

Hey now, you're not allowed to talk about things that are not likely. After all, what's the point? 

There's a huge difference between "not likely" and "never going to happen". 

Let's also discuss adding McDavid and Makar...

Regardless, I said my piece on Pettersson. I was trying to back away from that discussion and continue discussing the reality of this team going forward.

[marcaractac 3,963]

1 minute ago, krsmith17 said:

There's a huge difference between "not likely" and "never going to happen". 

Let's also discuss adding McDavid and Makar...

Regardless, I said my piece on Pettersson. I was trying to back away from that discussion and continue discussing the reality of this team going forward.

99% of conversation here already is about this team going forward. 

PS: Wright or Bedard are just as unlikely as an offer sheet. Just sayin'. 

Edited July 29, 2021 by marcaractac

[krsmith17 7,191]

3 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

99% of conversation here already is about this team going forward. 

PS: Wright or Bedard are just as unlikely as an offer sheet. Just sayin'. 

Not at all accurate, but sure...

1 minute ago, BarkBurgerman said:

This is a playoff team with Pettersson on it.

Can the adults talk about offersheet hypotheticals now? Or are you gonna keep shutting ruining discussion with your whining?

This is also a playoff team with McDavid. 

What do we think it would cost to acquire McDavid? Discuss...

[marcaractac 3,963]

Just now, krsmith17 said:

Not at all accurate, but sure...

They're all pretty close to 0%

[marcaractac 3,963]

Just now, BarkBurgerman said:

You must be a blast at parties

My favourite is how McDavid is brought up as a comparable, yet one is an RFA and ripe for an offer sheet, and one is locked in for years. Gee, I wonder why there is no discussion of bringing in McDavid?!

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

9 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

This is a playoff team with Pettersson on it.

Can the adults talk about offersheet hypotheticals now? Or are you gonna keep shutting ruining discussion with your whining?

Yes. But we still need a goalie, some LD, and wingers to pan out first. Would not wanna be in a situation where we end up with Larkin and Pettersson at C and Tatar level wingers. We also dont know if Edvinnson, Viro, Johansson, or McIsaac develop into top 4 dmen. Or how well Ned plays for us or if Cossa turns out.

Too many question marks yet to sell off your 1st round picks for one position of need. Especially when there are others that may not pan out and no 1st round picks to fill them.

[krsmith17 7,191]

4 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

My favourite is how McDavid is brought up as a comparable, yet one is an RFA and ripe for an offer sheet, and one is locked in for years. Gee, I wonder why there is no discussion of bringing in McDavid?!

One is a trade candidate. Trades ALWAYS happen. One is an offersheet candidate. Offersheets NEVER happen. Gee, I wonder why...?

[marcaractac 3,963]

Just now, krsmith17 said:

One is a trade candidate. Trades ALWAYS happen. One is an offersheet candidate. Offersheets NEVER happen. Gee, I wonder why...?

An offer sheet to Pettersson this summer is FAR more likely than a McDavid trade. You're comparing apples to oranges here. 

[krsmith17 7,191]

2 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

An offer sheet to Pettersson this summer is FAR more likely than a McDavid trade. You're comparing apples to oranges here. 

A lottery win next summer is FAR more likely than a Pettersson offersheet. You're comparing apples to oranges here...

[marcaractac 3,963]

Just now, krsmith17 said:

A lottery win next summer is FAR more likely than a Pettersson offersheet. You're comparing apples to oranges here...

That statement is not even true. You're talking two, barely above 0% scenarios. Both of which are literally infinitely more likely than McDavid being traded this summer, as the odds of that are literally 0. 

New idea:

Offer sheet Pettersson AND Hughes. Make the Nucks choose. 

[marcaractac 3,963]

2 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Offer Hughes what? $8 mil?

Hell yeah. Keep it just under the minimum for giving up one 1st. We wanna lure them into letting Pettersson go and take the two firsts instead. 

[krsmith17 7,191]

4 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

That statement is not even true. You're talking two, barely above 0% scenarios. Both of which are literally infinitely more likely than McDavid being traded this summer, as the odds of that are literally 0. 

The odds of Yzerman offersheeting Pettersson are the exact same as Yzerman trading for McDavid. Literally 0.

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

1 minute ago, krsmith17 said:

The odds of Yzerman offersheeting Pettersson are the exact same as Yzerman trading for McDavid. Literally 0.

I would not rule out Montreal, Philly, or even Tampa (if they had the cap space) pulling a move like that.

[marcaractac 3,963]

4 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

The odds of Yzerman offersheeting Pettersson are the exact same as Yzerman trading for McDavid. Literally 0.

We're not talking about that anymore. We've upgraded to offer sheeting Pettersson AND Hughes. 

[krsmith17 7,191]

2 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

I would not rule out Montreal, Philly, or even Tampa (if they had the cap space) pulling a move like that.

Sure. Maybe. The key being this team, this offseason. Not going to happen. 

1 minute ago, marcaractac said:

We're not talking about that anymore. We've upgraded to offer sheeting Pettersson AND Hughes. 

I'd much rather draft Wright AND Bedard...