ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted August 26, 2020 Its just dissapointing as I thought the overpaid contracts would end once Holland was gone. I guess Yzerman learned from the best! Fab Fabbri will be the new Ericsson/Abdelkader/Nielsen before next season is through. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted August 26, 2020 2 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Its just dissapointing as I thought the overpaid contracts would end once Holland was gone. I guess Yzerman learned from the best! Fab Fabbri will be the new Ericsson/Abdelkader/Nielsen before next season is through. Considering his salary is still less than 3 mil, I doubt it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted August 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Considering his salary is still less than 3 mil, I doubt it. Psst... He's trolling... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mackel 768 Report post Posted August 27, 2020 5 hours ago, kipwinger said: The comparable players you're talking about probably aren't RFAs without arbitration rights, haven't blown their knees out twice, and played only 90ish games over three seasons. Excuse us for thinking maybe those things mean he should make a little less than average. And speaking for arbitration rights, that's one big difference between Mantha/Bertuzzi and Fabbri. They actually have MORE leverage than he did. So again, if you think that the agents for Mantha/Bert aren't going to press for the absolute max, given what they just saw Fabbri get, you're pretty naive. Preach. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted August 27, 2020 2 hours ago, krsmith17 said: Psst... He's trolling... Yes. I know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,863 Report post Posted August 27, 2020 5 hours ago, krsmith17 said: Psst... He's trolling... I thought he was mocking kipwinger and mackel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted August 27, 2020 5 hours ago, krsmith17 said: Psst... He's trolling... 2 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Yes. I know. 10 minutes ago, Akakabuto said: I thought he was mocking kipwinger and mackel. I like Fabbri as much as the next guy. But u guys r honestly buying this marcatarc BS? Come on... Fabbri is not worth 3 million as an RFA. Take the Yzerman shades off. Just because we have capspace doesnt make bad contracts okay. U dopes would hang Holland for this deal... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted August 27, 2020 5 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: I like Fabbri as much as the next guy. But u guys r honestly buying this marcatarc BS? Come on... Fabbri is not worth 3 million as an RFA. Take the Yzerman shades off. Just because we have capspace doesnt make bad contracts okay. U dopes would hang Holland for this deal... You "like Fabbri as much as the next guy", but don't think he'll put up 30+ points in each of the next two seasons? That's literally the only way this ends up being a "bad contract", or even an "over payment". Since everything points toward him being more than capable of putting up north of 30, this is a good contract today, and has the potential to be a great contract over the next two seasons. It's also f***ed up that anyone would think that this (very reasonable Fabbri) contract, will make Mantha and Bertuzzi demand more. If anything, Fabbri's, along with Larkin's contracts should bring the bar down for Mo and Bert. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted August 27, 2020 2 hours ago, krsmith17 said: You "like Fabbri as much as the next guy", but don't think he'll put up 30+ points in each of the next two seasons? That's literally the only way this ends up being a "bad contract", or even an "over payment". Since everything points toward him being more than capable of putting up north of 30, this is a good contract today, and has the potential to be a great contract over the next two seasons. It's also f***ed up that anyone would think that this (very reasonable Fabbri) contract, will make Mantha and Bertuzzi demand more. If anything, Fabbri's, along with Larkin's contracts should bring the bar down for Mo and Bert. You and the other Holland-hating extremist jocks would have buried him for this contract. But now that its Yzerman it's a "great contract".... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted August 27, 2020 1 hour ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: You and the other Holland-hating extremist jocks would have buried him for this contract. But now that its Yzerman it's a "great contract".... If anything, I've always been on the Holland apologist side of the coin. He was phenomenal general manager, specifically at negotiating contracts. If Holland had signed this contract, I would be saying the exact same thing. It's a great contract, regardless the GM. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted August 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: If anything, I've always been on the Holland apologist side of the coin. He was phenomenal general manager, specifically at negotiating contracts. If Holland had signed this contract, I would be saying the exact same thing. It's a great contract, regardless the GM. >He was phenomenal general manager, specifically at negotiating contracts. >Abdelkader, 7 years, $4.25, NTC >Nielsen, 6 years, $5.25, NMC >Ericsson, 6 years, $4.25, NTC >Dekeyser, 6 years, $5.00, NTC >Daley, 3 years, $3.166, NTC >Weiss, 5 years, $4.90, NMC, BUYOUT >Mrazek, 2 years, $4.00 >Quincey, 2 years, $3.75 >Quincey, 2 years, $4.25 >Ouellet, 2 years, $1.25, BUYOUT Yzerman: Filppula, 2 years, $3.00, NTC Nemeth, 2 years, $3.00 Erne, 1 year, $1.05 Biega, 1 year, $0.874 Fabbri, 2 year, $2.95 Wow they're both so phenomenal. It's all so invigorating. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted August 27, 2020 23 hours ago, mackel said: This is silly but Fabbri did get over paid... I was thinking more in the 2M range. though it is "only" 950K it is an overpayment on an injury plagued assest with a very short track record of success. That should have been plenty of leverage to strong arm him in to that 2M range maybe even less. The point being made, and missed by the "brain trust" around here is that with Mantha and Bert their is far less leverage and if we overpaid for an asset we didn't have to, we might be taken to the cleaners on them, You're nicer than me. With his track record, injury history, and RFA control, I would have bridged him at $1.5 AAV. It's beyond comical that Yzerman handed him nearly double this lol didn't even try to bring him to arbitration... I'm starting to think we have a serious Illitch problem - not a GM problem - cause Yzerman is doing the same crap that Holland did. 1 mackel reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted August 27, 2020 1 hour ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: >He was phenomenal general manager, specifically at negotiating contracts. >Abdelkader, 7 years, $4.25, NTC >Nielsen, 6 years, $5.25, NMC >Ericsson, 6 years, $4.25, NTC >Dekeyser, 6 years, $5.00, NTC >Daley, 3 years, $3.166, NTC >Weiss, 5 years, $4.90, NMC, BUYOUT >Mrazek, 2 years, $4.00 >Quincey, 2 years, $3.75 >Quincey, 2 years, $4.25 >Ouellet, 2 years, $1.25, BUYOUT Yzerman: Filppula, 2 years, $3.00, NTC Nemeth, 2 years, $3.00 Erne, 1 year, $1.05 Biega, 1 year, $0.874 Fabbri, 2 year, $2.95 Wow they're both so phenomenal. It's all so invigorating. My bad. I left out one key word (acronym)... Holland was great at negotiating "RFA" contracts... which is what I meant to say and what we're specifically talking about here... Every single one of those contracts you listed above were UFA signings. Big difference. Anyway, I've said my two cents. To me, this looks like a very good contract, for a very good, young middle six winger. We'll see how it turns out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted August 27, 2020 47 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: My bad. I left out one key word (acronym)... Holland was great at negotiating "RFA" contracts... which is what I meant to say and what we're specifically talking about here... Every single one of those contracts you listed above were UFA signings. Big difference. Blatantly wrong. Try again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted August 27, 2020 27 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Blatantly wrong. Try again. Ok, all but Ouellet and Mrazek? Ouellet sucked, but his $1.25M contract hardly hurt the team. I'm not getting into the Mrazek sitch... My point still stands. Holland was great at negotiating RFA deals, and if he had signed this Fabbri contract, myself and the people that think it's a more that fair deal, would be saying the exact same thing, regardless which GM made the deal... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted August 27, 2020 19 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: Ok, all but Ouellet and Mrazek? Ouellet sucked, but his $1.25M contract hardly hurt the team. I'm not getting into the Mrazek sitch... My point still stands. Holland was great at negotiating RFA deals, and if he had signed this Fabbri contract, myself and the people that think it's a more that fair deal, would be saying the exact same thing, regardless which GM made the deal... "Holland is phenomenal at negotiating contracts... well no I actually only meant RFA contracts and you didn't list any of those...well actually you did, but I don't wanna talk about those ones cause it wrecks my entire argument" Keep going Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted August 27, 2020 11 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: "Holland is phenomenal at negotiating contracts... well no I actually only meant RFA contracts and you didn't list any of those...well actually you did, but I don't wanna talk about those ones cause it wrecks my entire argument" Keep going You know what I meant. I've specifically mentioned RFA contracts several times before. Everyone knows Holland was pretty bad at negotiating UFA contracts. I don't want to talk about those because it has nothing to do with the topic... completely different GM, completely different players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted August 27, 2020 10 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: You know what I meant. I've specifically mentioned RFA contracts several times before. Everyone knows Holland was pretty bad at negotiating UFA contracts. I don't want to talk about those because it has nothing to do with the topic... completely different GM, completely different players. Yeah I'm sure bud Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted August 27, 2020 5 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: >He was phenomenal general manager, specifically at negotiating contracts. >Abdelkader, 7 years, $4.25, NTC >Nielsen, 6 years, $5.25, NMC >Ericsson, 6 years, $4.25, NTC >Dekeyser, 6 years, $5.00, NTC >Daley, 3 years, $3.166, NTC >Weiss, 5 years, $4.90, NMC, BUYOUT >Mrazek, 2 years, $4.00 >Quincey, 2 years, $3.75 >Quincey, 2 years, $4.25 >Ouellet, 2 years, $1.25, BUYOUT Yzerman: Filppula, 2 years, $3.00, NTC Nemeth, 2 years, $3.00 Erne, 1 year, $1.05 Biega, 1 year, $0.874 Fabbri, 2 year, $2.95 Wow they're both so phenomenal. It's all so invigorating. Dont forget trading quincey and getting him back for a 1st ... he’s just an all around phenomenal gm ... zach kassian is loving his work Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted August 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said: Dont forget trading quincey and getting him back for a 1st ... he’s just an all around phenomenal gm ... zach kassian is loving his work Oh gawd, is Fabbri our Kassian? 1 Akakabuto reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted August 27, 2020 16 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: I like Fabbri as much as the next guy. But u guys r honestly buying this marcatarc BS? Come on... Fabbri is not worth 3 million as an RFA. Take the Yzerman shades off. Just because we have capspace doesnt make bad contracts okay. U dopes would hang Holland for this deal... Huh? I was one of the biggest Holland supporters here. And I was optimistic, but not overly excited to replace him with Yzerman based on his record as a GM. That said, I don't see the Fabbri deal as a huge overpayment. I think he could've gotten that on the open market. And yes, I realize he was a RFA, so he had way less bargaining power. But, I'm willing to give SY the benefit of the doubt on this one. Just like I did for all of Holland's moves, even the ones that had people calling for his head. What's wrong with just being patient and waiting to see how things turn out? It may end up being a bad contract, it may not. In the meantime, I'll wait to see. I've never understood the rush to judgment on trades, player signings, or draft picks. Time will reveal all truths. I just wish this applied to every event in our lives, not just sports. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted August 27, 2020 1 hour ago, nyqvististhefuture said: Dont forget trading quincey and getting him back for a 1st ... he’s just an all around phenomenal gm ... zach kassian is loving his work The Wings never traded Kyle Quincey. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted August 27, 2020 3 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Oh gawd, is Fabbri our Kassian? Gawd blessed us .... abdelkader,nielsen,helm,nielsen,fabbri are all our kassian Adieu to former members green,ericsson,daley 1 hour ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: The Wings never traded Kyle Quincey. Sorry , just gave up a first to reacquire him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted August 28, 2020 On 8/26/2020 at 4:50 PM, kipwinger said: The comparable players you're talking about probably aren't RFAs without arbitration rights, haven't blown their knees out twice, and played only 90ish games over three seasons. Excuse us for thinking maybe those things mean he should make a little less than average. And speaking for arbitration rights, that's one big difference between Mantha/Bertuzzi and Fabbri. They actually have MORE leverage than he did. So again, if you think that the agents for Mantha/Bert aren't going to press for the absolute max, given what they just saw Fabbri get, you're pretty naive. You're clearly not a fan of Fabbri and are trying to justify the contract being a bad one. You keep going on about his injury history when he just had a healthy season. Your reaction is as if his agent took Yzerman to the cleaners on a long term deal. He is on a bridge deal at a fair salary for his production as an RFA. He has two more years to show he can stay healthy and improve upon the season he just had. Win win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted August 28, 2020 1 hour ago, marcaractac said: You're clearly not a fan of Fabbri and are trying to justify the contract being a bad one. You keep going on about his injury history when he just had a healthy season. Your reaction is as if his agent took Yzerman to the cleaners on a long term deal. He is on a bridge deal at a fair salary for his production as an RFA. He has two more years to show he can stay healthy and improve upon the season he just had. Win win. The more times you say it doesn't make it more true. Fabbri is now on an overpaid contract. Cope harder. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
