2021 NHL Playoffs

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

4 hours ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Is it against the rules to play the body?

Again is playing the body illegal? Scheifele opted to play the body over the puck... and he did exactly what he should have in that instance. Stopped striding into the play. Not charging.

1. Never said it was against the rules. But you said playing the puck. This wasn't 2 guys chasing after a loose puck. This was one guy clobbering another that already had the puck and then scored.

2. You can keep saying it wasn't charging all you want, but that doesn't change the print in the NHL Rule Book.

18 minutes ago, mackel said:

Why is this still being talked about at this point...?

Because it's fun getting CRL into a pissing contest.

[F.Michael 4,590]

11 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

So Todd Bertuzzi only deserved a cross checking penalty then? No suspension because injury has nothing to do with it?

Cross check?

Bert nailed him with a sucker punch (likely knocking Moore unconscious) then rode him down onto the ice...I think it's fair to say this was likely a premeditated act (not the sucker punch per say but a physical altercation)...Something completely different in regards to Scheifele/Evans which took place within a fraction of a second.

If Evans skates off on his own without any lingering effects...No suspension - maybe a fine.

Edited June 9, 2021 by F.Michael

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

3 hours ago, marcaractac said:

This is my thought on this hit more or less. You could argue charging at best due to the distance covered to make the hit. But besides that it was clean by definition of the rules. 

Having said that, it was gross and shouldn't have happened. More black and white rules must be added to protect players in the end. Head contact, distance covered to make a hit, leaving feet, etc. should all be heavily reviewed. There would be frustrating cases early on where players get punished for a legit accident. But players would adjust accordingly, and we'd see cleaner hits where guys don't leave on stretchers with scrambled egg brains. 

Also, punish the action whether the player on the receiving end is injured or not. The condition of the player on the receiving end should have zero implications when deciding punishment for a hit. It's as stupid as getting 4 minutes for drawing blood. Comes down to sheer luck. 

If players cannot be punished based on the outcome of their actions, they would have no reason to play safer. 

If a player knows he can only punished with a game misconduct, at most, and a fine, that isn't much of a deterrent for these kinds of plays.

Yes. It is somewhat up to luck. But if a player knows the potential outcome, he should be less inclined to take the risk. That's kind of the point.

9 minutes ago, F.Michael said:

Cross check?

Bert nailed him with a sucker punch (likely knocking Moore unconscious) then rode him down onto the ice...I think it's fair to say this was likely a premeditated act (not the sucker punch per say but a physical altercation)...Something completely different in regards to Scheifele/Evans which took place within a fraction of a second

So just a rouging penalty then.

[F.Michael 4,590]

11 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

.

Because it's fun getting CRL into a pissing contest.

[marcaractac 3,963]

14 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

If players cannot be punished based on the outcome of their actions, they would have no reason to play safer. 

If a player knows he can only punished with a game misconduct, at most, and a fine, that isn't much of a deterrent for these kinds of plays.

Yes. It is somewhat up to luck. But if a player knows the potential outcome, he should be less inclined to take the risk. That's kind of the point.

This doesn't make any sense. 

Dangerous plays should be eliminated by punishing potentially dangerous plays, not by waiting until someone is hurt by one. That's where the deterrence comes from. If a player is hurt in a play, the offender is still punished. They don't simply get away with it because a player got hurt. I said that the injury should not have any impact on the severity of the punishment, not that the player shouldn't be punished period. 

So your first point: the player is still punished. The injury simply doesn't impact the duration of suspension. The action itself and player history should be the only factors at play. Whether or not players get hurt in these plays is basically a coin flip. If a player doesn't get hurt, why would the punishment be less because of it? Punish the action the same way, regardless. You're literally thinking backwards here.

Point 2: Who said anything about a game misconduct and fine being the only punishment? We're talking about actions getting the same punishment whether a player is hurt or not. Meaning suspending dangerous plays. Period. 

Point 3: Consistent punishment takes luck out of it. Players would be deterred knowing they'll get punished for wreck-less plays regardless of outcome. Your "point" makes no sense. 

[F.Michael 4,590]

 

Edited June 10, 2021 by F.Michael

[F.Michael 4,590]

 

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

2 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

They said the Subban trade was the worst of all time
They said you can't handle Drouin
They said you can't sign all the french players
They said you can't win being led by Jeff Petry and Tyler Toffoli
They said you can't fire Julien 18 games into the season
They said you can't lift weights in your office all day
They said you can't grow out your flow at 55 years old
They said you can't eat big macs at every meal and call them "big marcs"
They said Leafs in 5
They said Jets in 5

But big marc no listen

All aboard the burger van

 

Drouin trade still stupid. Not sure why you bothered to sneak that one in there. 

[F.Michael 4,590]

10 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

They said the Subban trade was the worst of all time
They said you can't handle Drouin
They said you can't sign all the french players
They said you can't win being led by Jeff Petry and Tyler Toffoli
They said you can't fire Julien 18 games into the season
They said you can't lift weights in your office all day
They said you can't grow out your flow at 55 years old
They said you can't eat big macs at every meal and call them "big marcs"
They said Leafs in 5
They said Jets in 5

But big marc no listen

All aboard the burger van

 

[F.Michael 4,590]

1 minute ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Think about how dominant the Habs would be with Drouin right now. After this injury he is going to peak.

The 'injury' is between his ears...

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

3 minutes ago, F.Michael said:

The 'injury' is between his ears...

Exactly

[F.Michael 4,590]

1 minute ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Exactly

Yzerman fleeced Bergevin...That was obvious from the get go.

[Akakabuto 1,863]

Habs fans do realize that when they get swept by the first US team they go up against nothing they did in the canadian playoffs will matter and all will be forgotten in a week?

[F.Michael 4,590]

1 minute ago, BarkBurgerman said:

I don't buy the mental health stuff.

Ducharme demoted him to the 4th line and he quit the team. Probably asked for a trade too. Burgerman is just keeping it quiet until after the playoffs.

It's possible - but so far Drouin is 0 for 2 when it comes to getting along with the teams he is on.

[F.Michael 4,590]

4 minutes ago, Akakabuto said:

Habs fans do realize that when they get swept by the first US team they go up against nothing they did in the canadian playoffs will matter and all will be forgotten in a week?

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

15 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

I don't buy the mental health stuff.

Ducharme demoted him to the 4th line and he quit the team. Probably asked for a trade too. Burgerman is just keeping it quiet until after the playoffs.

Well there you go. Stud Russian D man vs Soggy Paper Guts Lil Diva. 

Yzerman indeed fleeced French Ric Flair on that trade. 

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

4 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Thing is Drouin really isn't a bad player at all. And he's real good in the post season.

Somebody will acquire him cheap and it will boost their offense. I'd actually suggest him as a Fabbri/Vrana type pickup for us if he hadn't already soured Yzerman.

Sure man. Still a bad trade. 

Top marks to the guy though. Believing in Caufield, trading for Suzuki (and Tatar). Getting Allen so Price could be well rested for the playoffs. Trading for Petry, Stall, Armia, Andersson. Signing Toffoli. etc. 

They are gonna get hammered next round though. 

[Akakabuto 1,863]

38 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

>When the Leafs Jets American team sweeps the Habs

Habs are unstoppable friend. Playing tight shutdown defense, and Price is rewarding them for it. Look at the Avs now, Vegas is proving you can tighten up and neutralize their stars. And guess what? Habs are even better at this than Vegas is.

I wonder if the Canadiens will raise a ’2021 Canadian Champions’ banner in next season opener.  

Edited June 10, 2021 by Akakabuto

[marcaractac 3,963]

2 hours ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Injury should never play a factor in punishment IMHO

I want the same punishment for Matt Cooke when he targets the head regardless of whether a concussion occurs or not. Punishment shouldn't be less because the targeted player essentially got lucky (this time). The league wants less injuries to occur, great, but it's not the leagues job to officiate injuries. It's the leagues job to officiate play (that leads to injuries).

Clearly define what is not allowed and consistently punish it. Sounds super simple, but the NHL is frustratingly awful at this.

Seider is like the cleanest checker of all time... but one of those clean checks some time is going to end up with a guy falling weird and smacking his face and getting injured. I do not want players getting punished for clean and legal plays like this. Injuries occur. That's the reality and risk of a contact sport. Violence is permissible in the game within certain parameters. Players should only be punished when they step outside those parameters. Not because the end result was an injury.

We're pretty much 100% on the same page 

[Akakabuto 1,863]

25 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Whats the worst MB has done? Drouin is it really. 

Petry and Toffolli are two of the best low cost high reward pickups ever. Believing in Paul Byron when no one else did. Flipping Galchenyuk into Anderson. Signing Perry to the taxi squad only to have him turnout to be a huge leader on the team. Having the genius and balls to ditch Subban and take on Weber. Trading his bargain contract captain for Suzuki and Tatar. 

MB is the underrated GM in the league. He catches huge criticism for moves like Allen, Weber, Domi, Anderson, Edmundson. Only to have them turn out to be genius down the road.

Nobody has bigger balls than MB. And Molson deserves credit for allowing that absolute alpha chad to swing his unit around this league freely and without remorse. 

Based and QC pilled

Credit where credit is due. Bergevin is great with trades. He got balls, goes for what he wants and considering how much he wheels and deals, its impressive that the ratio between trades/signings that work and those that dont works in his favor. The league would be better off with more GMs like him. Stevie is pretty ballsy too but not unhinged like Marc  

 

 

[F.Michael 4,590]

1 hour ago, Akakabuto said:

Credit where credit is due. Bergevin is great with trades. He got balls, goes for what he wants and considering how much he wheels and deals, its impressive that the ratio between trades/signings that work and those that dont works in his favor. The league would be better off with more GMs like him. Stevie is pretty ballsy too but not unhinged like Marc  

 

 

An unhinged Bergevin is what makes things fun/interesting.

[F.Michael 4,590]

1 hour ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Red suit. On.

Mane. Loose.

Roids. Kicking in.

Yup. It's GMing time. 

You know who else wears a red suit?

[F.Michael 4,590]

40 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Father Christmas?

[F.Michael 4,590]

40 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

This is now a Habs thread. 

Je suis certain que Drouin a embarrassé Bergevin et ne sera plus jamais accueilli avec le chandail du Tricolore.

[F.Michael 4,590]