Most top5 draft picks since 1990

[bIueadams 776]

NYI: 14
Florida: 9
Ottawa: 9
Tampa: 8
Columbus: 8
Anaheim: 8
Colorado: 8
Carolina: 8
Los Angeles: 7
Edmonton: 7
Winnipeg: 7
San Jose: 6
Vancouver: 6
Pittsburgh: 6
New Jersey: 6
Philadelphia: 5
Arizona: 5
Chicago: 5
Buffalo: 5
Montreal: 5
Washington: 4
Toronto: 4
NYR: 3
Boston: 3
Dallas: 2
Minnesota: 2
Seattle: 2
Detroit: 2
St. Louis: 2
Nashville: 2
Calgary: 1         
Las Vegas: 0

Of the teams that drafted 2 or less, only Destroit, Calgary, Dallas, and St. Louis were actually around in 1990.

NYI is sucha a joke

8/20 teams that drafted in the top5 five or more times have won cups in this time frame - 40%
6/15 who drafted in the top5 six or more times have won cups - 40%
5/11 who drafted in the top5 seven or more times have won - 45%
4/8 who drafted in the top5 eight or more times have won - 50%
0/3 who drafted in the top5 more than nine times have won - 0%

Conversely...

5/12 teams that drafted in the top5 four times or less have won cups in this time frame - 42%
4/10 teams that drafted in the top5 three times or less have won - 40%
3/8 teams that drafted in the top5 two times or less have won -  38%
1/2 teams that drafted in top5 once or less have won - 50%
1/1 team that drafted zero times in the top5 have won - 100%

Over the last 33 years there seems to be no relation between how many times you draft in the top5 and how many cups you have. Of the teams that have built actual dynasties on having lots of top5 picks you have: Colorado, Tampa, LA, Pittsburgh, Chicago. But for those 5 teams, you have about 15 teams that have done very little with the same amount of high picks (33% success rate). Then you have teams with almost no high picks who have built dynasties like: Detroit, Boston, Vegas, and about 9 other teams who didn't manage to do much with their low picks (33% success rate).

At the end of the day it seems to me it's all about having competent managers and skilled scout staffs that can squeeze the most juice out of a single pick, no matter where it sits on the draft board.

 

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

13 hours ago, bIueadams said:

NYI: 14
Florida: 9
Ottawa: 9
Tampa: 8
Columbus: 8
Anaheim: 8
Colorado: 8
Carolina: 8
Los Angeles: 7
Edmonton: 7
Winnipeg: 7
San Jose: 6
Vancouver: 6
Pittsburgh: 6
New Jersey: 6
Philadelphia: 5
Arizona: 5
Chicago: 5
Buffalo: 5
Montreal: 5
Washington: 4
Toronto: 4
NYR: 3
Boston: 3
Dallas: 2
Minnesota: 2
Seattle: 2
Detroit: 2
St. Louis: 2
Nashville: 2
Calgary: 1         
Las Vegas: 0

Of the teams that drafted 2 or less, only Destroit, Calgary, Dallas, and St. Louis were actually around in 1990.

NYI is sucha a joke

8/20 teams that drafted in the top5 five or more times have won cups in this time frame - 40%
6/15 who drafted in the top5 six or more times have won cups - 40%
5/11 who drafted in the top5 seven or more times have won - 45%
4/8 who drafted in the top5 eight or more times have won - 50%
0/3 who drafted in the top5 more than nine times have won - 0%

Conversely...

5/12 teams that drafted in the top5 four times or less have won cups in this time frame - 42%
4/10 teams that drafted in the top5 three times or less have won - 40%
3/8 teams that drafted in the top5 two times or less have won -  38%
1/2 teams that drafted in top5 once or less have won - 50%
1/1 team that drafted zero times in the top5 have won - 100%

Over the last 33 years there seems to be no relation between how many times you draft in the top5 and how many cups you have. Of the teams that have built actual dynasties on having lots of top5 picks you have: Colorado, Tampa, LA, Pittsburgh, Chicago. But for those 5 teams, you have about 15 teams that have done very little with the same amount of high picks (33% success rate). Then you have teams with almost no high picks who have built dynasties like: Detroit, Boston, Vegas, and about 9 other teams who didn't manage to do much with their low picks (33% success rate).

At the end of the day it seems to me it's all about having competent managers and skilled scout staffs that can squeeze the most juice out of a single pick, no matter where it sits on the draft board.

 

The NHL could make one easy change that would make all the draft / tank / Betman nonsense moot.  Put every team on a once every 32 years to get a No 1 overall schedule.  Then worst to first minus the team with no 1.  The league is showing that it cares more about making its big market teams visable with its current approach.  And that's smart.  But pretending it's all random is rslurred.

[stephen-gregory-yzerman 142]

21 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

The NHL could make one easy change that would make all the draft / tank / Betman nonsense moot.  Put every team on a once every 32 years to get a No 1 overall schedule.  Then worst to first minus the team with no 1.  The league is showing that it cares more about making its big market teams visable with its current approach.  And that's smart.  But pretending it's all random is rslurred.

You realize if this one every 32 years rule was implemented, in 32 years and every year after the standings wouldnt matter. The #1 pick would be decided before the season started every year. Chicago won it last year, so theyre out, Montreal won it the year before, so theyre out, and so on until you name 31 teams. Team 32 wins the #1 pick before the season starts regardless if they finish dead last or win the cup. In other words, horrendous rule change.

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

2 hours ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said:

You realize if this one every 32 years rule was implemented, in 32 years and every year after the standings wouldnt matter. The #1 pick would be decided before the season started every year. Chicago won it last year, so theyre out, Montreal won it the year before, so theyre out, and so on until you name 31 teams. Team 32 wins the #1 pick before the season starts regardless if they finish dead last or win the cup. In other words, horrendous rule change.

of course i realize this.  and yes, a team could get the no 1 overall after winning the cup.  Were you even alive in 1986 when detroit took Murphy?  I bet not.  40 years without a chance at a generational talent.

[kipwinger 8,771]

11 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

of course i realize this.  and yes, a team could get the no 1 overall after winning the cup.  Were you even alive in 1986 when detroit took Murphy?  I bet not.  40 years without a chance at a generational talent.

Who cares? During those 40 years we made the playoffs 26 straight seasons and won the Cup four times. We also got to watch something like 40 billion different Hall of Famers play for the team. But I guess none of that means anything if we don't periodically have a chance to get moist over some twink like Connor Bedard eh?

 

[AtlantaHotWings 1,135]

Looking at Pens picks since 1990

https://icehockey.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Pittsburgh_Penguins_first-round_draft_picks     

     Jagr - 5th in 90

Then the ridiculousness comes to the front 

     Flower - 1 in 2003

     Malkin - 2 in 2004

     Crosby - 1 in 2005 

     Staal - 2 in 2006 

talk about stacking the deck in favor of a team......

 

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

15 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

Who cares? During those 40 years we made the playoffs 26 straight seasons and won the Cup four times. We also got to watch something like 40 billion different Hall of Famers play for the team. But I guess none of that means anything if we don't periodically have a chance to get moist over some twink like Connor Bedard eh?

 

I know that YOU KNOW that we used 1) an exceptional loophole that doesn't exist any longer, some magnificent foresight, and the lack of a salary cap in drafting Europeans nobody else was looking at, drafting defecting Russians, and assembling the all start 2002 team.  Jimmy D and Scotty Bowman brought the Red Wings glory that they shouldn't have had.  

 

8 minutes ago, AtlantaHotWings said:

Looking at Pens picks since 1990

https://icehockey.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Pittsburgh_Penguins_first-round_draft_picks     

     Jagr - 5th in 90

Then the ridiculousness comes to the front 

     Flower - 1 in 2003

     Malkin - 2 in 2004

     Crosby - 1 in 2005 

     Staal - 2 in 2006 

talk about stacking the deck in favor of a team......

 

And this is my point.  The Penguins success was built around the draft.  Chicago, LA, Tampa Bay, Colorado, New Jersey, New York Rangers, etc. etc. etc.  The Red Wings are in a pickle and could end up in a long stretch of mediocre by never having a shot at a guy that dominates.  Yzerman's record for pulling value from the 5-10 range is nothing short of spectacular, but those guys still don't beat having a McDavid, MacKinnon, Makar, Bedard type guy in your arsenal.

[kipwinger 8,771]

1 minute ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

I know that YOU KNOW that we used 1) an exceptional loophole that doesn't exist any longer, some magnificent foresight, and the lack of a salary cap in drafting Europeans nobody else was looking at, drafting defecting Russians, and assembling the all start 2002 team.  Jimmy D and Scotty Bowman brought the Red Wings glory that they shouldn't have had. 

We played by the same rules as everyone else. But you're making my point for me, competent management and great player development contribute to success WAY more than lottery picks.

[Akakabuto 1,863]

44 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

Chicago, LA, Tampa Bay, Colorado, New Jersey, New York Rangers, etc. etc. etc

What are the Devs and Rags doing here?

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

39 minutes ago, Akakabuto said:

What are the Devs and Rags doing here?

you should see this year.

[Akakabuto 1,863]

25 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

you should see this year.

You thinking any of them gets the cup?

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

16 minutes ago, Akakabuto said:

You thinking any of them gets the cup?

I'm thinking the Rags are going to make a HARD push for it.  Rags/Devils in the conf finals for sure.

[bIueadams 776]

OPs point was we dont need top 5 picks.

Fuqqin idiots.