Jonas Mahonas

Spot on. Green would slot well into the #3 spot if we had: Dahlin-Jensen Hicketts-Green Hronek-Cholowski Saarijarvi But adding him to 4 futureless defensemen (Ericsson, DeKeyser, Kronwall, Daley) just means we stall out our prospects. Ken Holland doomed the Wings with these contracts. And it looks like he will continue to do it. As long as you agree that it's an intangible. I don't want to be able to see it.

Exactly. There is no way to win without 4 or 5 guys that can provide veteran leadership. Talent, Stamina, Durability, and Energy are all irrelevant. It's those intangibles (veteran leadership, locker room presence, and loyalty) that are the musts.

Skip, CRL, KRS - thx. Good insight. Just trying to legitimately assess our D outlook for the next 4-5 years. Sounds like we really only have 4-7 covered, if we are being honest with ourselves. ________ - ________ ________ - Cholowski Jensen - Hicketts Hronek/Saarijarvi/Sambrook This draft should at the very minimum fill the 3 spot. If that's all it does, we could be slumming for quite a while.

Who do you like out of our D prospects? You watch the most GR hockey, so fill us in on who is legit. Cholowski Saarijarvi Hronek Sambrook Hicketts Russo Etc. I'm disgusted with the Wings defense right now, outside of Jensen. Do any of the guys other than Cholowski have a chance to make it and be effective?

https://www.yardbarker.com/mobile/content/article/s1_14825_26218661 Chilloutski goes pro. Booya.

Ha ha ha ha. Not Caggiula?

This forward lineup SUCKS. Just so you know.

This is the guy I want. 25 mins a night of solid 2 way defense. We need a 1A and a 1B. He's a 1B. If we get Dahlin, great. If not, at least fill the 1B hole. _______ - Dobson Jensen - Cholowski Saarijarvi - Hronek Plenty of room to give Karlsson top dollar.

Fedorov was a pimp. He needs to go up.

Pass

Yes. That's what I'm getting at. Dahlin + Karlsson, and we are in business.

Where does Dahlin go if we get him?

________ - ________ - Mantha Athanasiou-Larkin-Frk Bertuzzi-Svechnikov-Rasmussen Helm-Glendening-Smith Turgeon/Holmstrom _______ - _______ Cholowski-Jensen Hronek-Sambrook Hicketts Petruzzelli Coreau Bottom line is the Red Wings need to start trading their bad contract players so spots can open up. Abdelkader, Nielsen, Nyquist, Ericsson, DeKeyser, and Howard all need to be gone. Ken Holland is no where near capable enough to make this happen, but we aren't getting better until it does. Take my line up there and throw in Kovalchuk, Tavares, Dahlin, and Karlsson. Rebuild Over!

Gretzky was, tho. Without him, the NHL is a 16-20 team league right now. He single handedly made hockey mainstream in 20 states that wanted nothing to do with it. I was in California in 1988, so I know from personally experiencing the hockey tsunami that Gretzky brought on. Jordan just amazed everyone with his skill. Basketball didnt become twice as popular because of him.

McDavid and Ovechkin swapped with Gretzky and Kurri. McDavid gets 3000 assists and 1250 goals. Ovechkin gets 1500/1500.