2025 Offseason Thread

[Jimmybigrigs69 467]

Summer offseason / off topic thread

I'll start:

WHO/UN says that in 2024 175K Euros died due to heat, out of a population 744,000,000. This accounts for 0.0235% of the population.

Pewresearch says that in 2023 gun violence accounted for 47K deaths in the USA. This accounts for 0.014% of the population.

So you are almost twice as likely to be baked to death in Europe than killed by a gun in America.

Not sure why this felt important to share, but it's good ammo for when you need to dunk on europoors who can't afford AC.

Cheers

[Motor City Mullets 315]

Don Cherry would make a great 'Murican.

[Jimmybigrigs69 467]

2 hours ago, Motor City Mullets said:

Don Cherry would make a great 'Murican.

Cherry was a shidt talker, and it's shidt posting season. Felt appropriate.

[Jimmybigrigs69 467]

 

[kipwinger 8,772]

I'm bored so I'm doing line combinations. This is with no additional players coming in from outside the organization. Here we go.

Ras-Larkin-Raymond: Ras fills the "Kasper" role on this line. I still believe in his offense if he's not asked to be a shutdown guy (29 pts in 56 games in 22-23).

Dcat-Copp-Kane: We saw this line working well last season before Copp's injury

Berggren-Kasper-Mazur: Two years ago this was the best line in the AHL and would murder depth defenders in the NHL

JVR-Compher-Sodorblom: Quality depth scoring, "hard offense", and some defensive responsibility.

Appleton

 

Chiarot-Seider: What else are we gonna do?

Edvinsson-ASP: What else are we gonna do?

Johansson-JBD: What else are we gonna do, but also might defend pretty well.

Gustafsson/Holl: Can't we just fire them into the sun already?

 

Gibson

Talbot

 

Analysis:

Forwards: I actually really like the forward group. You have an all purpose top line that can play at both ends of the ice. The second line would need  to be sheltered and play primarily in the offensive zone, but that's the case with any line Kane is on. The third line has the makings of one of the best 3rd lines in the NHL and they already have instant chemistry. The fourth line provides size and depth scoring of the "hard offense" variety. The only downside I see is that there's not really a true "shutdown line".

Defense: I don't love the top pair and I'm not going to love it until Chiarot is replaced, but you know what you're getting and you know they can play solid minutes against the league's best. If you put Edvinsson up there (and he and Seider play 25 mins a night) then you spend 35 minutes a game with no competent defenders on the ice. The second pair is a crap shoot but at least it's got talent. You're gambling a lot on ASP being ready to handle the minutes, which is a big ask, but we've seen other SY draft picks do so at an early age (Seider, Raymond, Edvinsson, Kasper) and ASP clearly has the pedigree to make it work. The third pair would actually be pretty hard to deal with (I think) and could tilt the ice in our favor against the opposition's depth forward lines. I actually really like it.

Goalie: This is the best goalie tandem we've had in ages and I have zero complaints right now.

[stephen-gregory-yzerman 142]

Danielson and MBN are more NHL ready then ASP imo. This team still needs to add a top 4 dman preferably right shot.

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4 minutes ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said:

Danielson and MBN are more NHL ready then ASP imo. This team still needs to add a top 4 dman preferably right shot.

I agree about the NHL readiness of those players. But given our need for a RHD and given that our top prospect is a RHD I'd give him every opportunity to take that job.

[stephen-gregory-yzerman 142]

My preferred lineup as it stands now

Elmer-Larks-Ray

Dcat-Kasper-Kane

JVR-Copp-Appleton

Ras-Compher-Mazur

Berg

Ed-Seider

Johansson-RHD

Chiarot-JBD

Gus

Danielson, MBN, ASP need to get looks with injuries and should be up full time by trade deadline.

[kipwinger 8,772]

8 minutes ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said:

My preferred lineup as it stands now

Elmer-Larks-Ray

Dcat-Kasper-Kane

JVR-Copp-Appleton

Ras-Compher-Mazur

Berg

Ed-Seider

Johansson-RHD

Chiarot-JBD

Gus

Danielson, MBN, ASP need to get looks with injuries and should be up full time by trade deadline.

Let's talk about your 2nd defensive pair. First, you said "as it stands now" which means there isn't an RHD coming in from outside the organization. Meaning you've only got ASP and Tuomisto to choose from. 2nd, Johansson (god love him) was only tolerable on the 2nd pair because he was playing with Edvinsson...who is a one man shutdown pair. Move him away from Edvinsson (or Seider) and he's going to get absolutely smoked for 18 minutes a night.

[Jimmybigrigs69 467]

2 hours ago, kipwinger said:

Let's talk about your 2nd defensive pair. First, you said "as it stands now" which means there isn't an RHD coming in from outside the organization. Meaning you've only got ASP and Tuomisto to choose from. 2nd, Johansson (god love him) was only tolerable on the 2nd pair because he was playing with Edvinsson...who is a one man shutdown pair. Move him away from Edvinsson (or Seider) and he's going to get absolutely smoked for 18 minutes a night.

(You're talking to zadina/mantha/cholowski/jurco/veleno loving friend of the show KRSmith) shhhhhh dont tell anyone I told you, he thinks its a secret

Edited July 8 by Jimmybigrigs69

[kipwinger 8,772]

I don't think enough is being said about just how ungodly good Edvinsson was last year. He started in the defensive zone 54% of the time, was in the 90th percentile in terms of quality of competition, and yet 52% of the goals scored while he was on the ice were scored by Detroit. In other words, he started shifts pinned in his own zone against guys like Kucherov, Barkov, Crosby, Matthews etc. more than half the time and Detroit scored more often than their opponents did when he as on the ice. Good god.

On top of that, 30 of his 31 points were scored at even strength. Almost no powerplay time. That's insane production given who he was playing against and where he was logging all his minutes.

I'm calling it now, when he's 25 he'll be the best defenseman in the NHL.

Edited July 8 by kipwinger

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2 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

I don't think enough is being said about just how ungodly good Edvinsson was last year. He started in the defensive zone 54% of the time, was in the 90th percentile in terms of quality of competition, and yet 52% of the goals scored while he was on the ice were scored by Detroit. In other words, he started shifts pinned in his own zone against guys like Kucherov, Barkov, Crosby, Matthews etc. more than half the time and Detroit scored more often than their opponents did when he as on the ice. Good god.

On top of that, 30 of his 31 points were scored at even strength. Almost no powerplay time. That's insane production given who he was playing against and where he was logging all his minutes.

I'm calling it now, when he's 25 he'll be the best defenseman in the NHL.

You are very correct, he is a horse. And he has the size and skill to (potentially) be the best. 

Things I loved: when that dood try to fight him and he basically stood their and kept him at arms length and said ur not worth my time. Owned. 

Things I didnt love: when a different dood actually got to him and he basically turtled. 

I've always been loud n proud about my love for Mo. Precisely because he's always been a take no prisoners beast. I shy torwards Ed bc he doesnt share the same mentality...

However, ive mentioned it before, it seems this team has neutered Mo. Suddenly hes a positional guy like a Lids or Raffi. And i dont think that plays to the strengths of the player. Maybe that changes under Todd, remains to be seen. But my question for u would be... do u think theyre misplaying Mo? Should Ed play the same way? Do you think maybe Ed could play that role which allows us to unleash Seider?

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5 minutes ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

You are very correct, he is a horse. And he has the size and skill to (potentially) be the best. 

Things I loved: when that dood try to fight him and he basically stood their and kept him at arms length and said ur not worth my time. Owned. 

Things I didnt love: when a different dood actually got to him and he basically turtled. 

I've always been loud n proud about my love for Mo. Precisely because he's always been a take no prisoners beast. I shy torwards Ed bc he doesnt share the same mentality...

However, ive mentioned it before, it seems this team has neutered Mo. Suddenly hes a positional guy like a Lids or Raffi. And i dont think that plays to the strengths of the player. Maybe that changes under Todd, remains to be seen. But my question for u would be... do u think theyre misplaying Mo? Should Ed play the same way? Do you think maybe Ed could play that role which allows us to unleash Seider?

Stylistically, Seider reminds me of prime Doughty and Edvinsson reminds me of prime Hedman. Hedman is physical without fighting, Doughty is at his best when he's being a surly SOB. Two totally different ways of being physical and being elite. I think Edvinsson will always be the better defender because of his size and insane wingspan. You basically can't score on the guy when he's in position. Seider's two-way game is better because he's better in transition and I think he sees plays in the offensive zone better than Ed does. That's why Seider is, and should remain, the better powerplay option of the two.

Edited July 8 by kipwinger

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3 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

Stylistically, Seider reminds me of prime Doughty and Edvinsson reminds me of prime Hedman. Hedman is physical without fighting, Doughty is at his best when he's being a surly SOB. Two totally different ways of being physical and being elite. I think Edvinsson will always be the better defender because of his size and insane wingspan. You basically can't score on the guy when he's in position. Seider's two-way game is better because he's better in transition and I think he sees plays in the offensive zone better than Ed does. That's why Seider is, and should remain, the better powerplay option of the two.

Don't disagree

Interestringly enough the Jfresh best Dman fan vote just came in. Seider finished at #18 in the league. Ed finished at #117. No other Wings dmen ranked. I do think thats super low for Ed and will change once the league gets to know him better. 

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Just now, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

Don't disagree

Interestringly enough the Jfresh best Dman fan vote just came in. Seider finished at #18 in the league. Ed finished at #117. No other Wings dmen ranked. I do think thats super low for Ed and will change once the league gets to know him better. 

Totally agree. Same for Seider. There were players ahead of both Ed and Seider that I wouldn't say were "better". They just play for better teams and/or score more points. Fans don't know diddly squat.

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Just now, kipwinger said:

Totally agree. Same for Seider. There were players ahead of both Ed and Seider that I wouldn't say were "better". They just play for better teams and/or score more points. Fans don't know diddly squat.

But that's where im a bit stuck. Say Mo and Ed are our next Lids/Raffi... i understand Lids and Raffi had Kronwall and Stuart behind them. But we have two horses. Dont you think they can carry 80% of the game for us? Despite bad partners? Idk feels like this year is gonna fuqqin suck and im gonna watch the pistons

[kipwinger 8,772]

3 minutes ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

But that's where im a bit stuck. Say Mo and Ed are our next Lids/Raffi... i understand Lids and Raffi had Kronwall and Stuart behind them. But we have two horses. Dont you think they can carry 80% of the game for us? Despite bad partners? Idk feels like this year is gonna fuqqin suck and im gonna watch the pistons

I think our defense is going to absolutely suck again this season barring some kind of trade or huge progression from ASP/Wallinder/Buium/Tuomisto. Long term I think our defense is going to be very good, but this season the defense is basically the same as it was with the caveat that Edvinsson is still not maxed out. I think the Chiarot-Seider pairing is good enough to hold water until we find someone better to take Chiarot's place but we've got no decent option at 2nd pair RHD unless we run it back with Johansson...and that wasn't good enough a year ago.

Joking aside I do think JBD at least has a shot at being a Walman-type guy who has talent but wasn't really ever in a position to succeed. It's a long shot but it's a shot.

 

 

[stephen-gregory-yzerman 142]

6 hours ago, kipwinger said:

Let's talk about your 2nd defensive pair. First, you said "as it stands now" which means there isn't an RHD coming in from outside the organization. Meaning you've only got ASP and Tuomisto to choose from. 2nd, Johansson (god love him) was only tolerable on the 2nd pair because he was playing with Edvinsson...who is a one man shutdown pair. Move him away from Edvinsson (or Seider) and he's going to get absolutely smoked for 18 minutes a night.

I think its Holl in that spot until Yzerman upgrades the d which is why its imperative he upgrades the d.

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5 minutes ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said:

I think its Holl in that spot until Yzerman upgrades the d which is why its imperative he upgrades the d.

Youre losing us KR, explain.

[Jimmybigrigs69 467]

Info you didnt need to know, but that you ought to know:

PITBULL TERRIERS ARE A DANGEROUS BREED

If you own one, be responsible, and for the love of god plz do not breed it with another pit. The world does not need more fighting dogs.

My Boston was atracked for the 3rd time in his life earlier this week by a Pit (it's always a pit) and i literally had to rear naked choke this dog in order to get him to let go. 

I understand some "pibble-wibble" "velvet hippos" are heckin good boyerinos, sure... ive met plenty of nice ones. But each one is a loaded gun. Recognize what you have. They were bred to be incredibly muscular, and to never release once they attack. You can have a pit - be responsible - and never have a problem... much like owning a gun. But if youre not responsible the potential for destruction a pit can cause is terrifying. 

My boston gets loose, worst case scenario is he tries to hump ur dog or ur kids teddy bear. A loose pit on the other hand can kill a grown man, and its happened more than ppl realize. 

Now I have to file a lawsuit against a guy bc he couldnt control his dog, whom put multiple puncture wounds in the back of mines neck. 

I FUQQIN HATE PITS. And i leave the area as soon as I can when one is around based on experience. Ppl say "adopt adopt adopt" which seems like the right thing to do, but adoption centers are flooded with pits and pit mixes (i wonder why). Best thing we can do is let the breed die off. Dont adopt them. Pony up and get a golden retreiver, ur non mauled children will thank u.

[Jimmybigrigs69 467]

Also - in a dog fight - especially with a pit - always go for the throat/neck. You have to cut off their air supply. That's the only way they'll release. Choke the shidt out of them. Literally. 

I see lots of rumors online about hitting them in the balls or sticking something in their azz. Thats all fake. Pits are bred to take tremendous abuse. Unless you stop their brain from getting oxygen they will NEVER let go. 

Ive seen 1000s of videos at this point. Ppl hitting them. Pepper spraying them. It makes no difference. Choke = brain turn off = dog releases. 

Or shoot them with a gun. 

[AtlantaHotWings 1,135]

Sorry about your dog ...hows he doing ?

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9 hours ago, AtlantaHotWings said:

Sorry about your dog ...hows he doing ?

Two nasty punctures. But kid took it like a champ. Wanted to go right back to playing imeadately. 

Edited July 13 by Jimmybigrigs69

[amily22 0]

That stat about the heat deaths is wild—didn’t realize the numbers were that high. Kinda makes all the memes about European summers without AC hit different now. I guess climate and infrastructure really do change the game depending on where you are.

Totally random, but while scrolling through this thread I remembered I need to reorder COSRX Advanced Snail 96 Mucin Power Essence. Been using it after workouts since the heat's been brutal lately and it's actually helped my skin stay somewhat normal. Go figure.

Anyway, curious to see how these trends shift over the next few years, especially with climate stuff ramping up.

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8 hours ago, amily22 said:

That stat about the heat deaths is wild—didn’t realize the numbers were that high. Kinda makes all the memes about European summers without AC hit different now. I guess climate and infrastructure really do change the game depending on where you are.

Totally random, but while scrolling through this thread I remembered I need to reorder COSRX Advanced Snail 96 Mucin Power Essence. Been using it after workouts since the heat's been brutal lately and it's actually helped my skin stay somewhat normal. Go figure.

Anyway, curious to see how these trends shift over the next few years, especially with climate stuff ramping up.

Yes, it will be very interesting to watch, especially with the energy crisis/shifts involving the Russian Fed and their supply of oil to the west.

Your comment also reminded me of when I used to summer in Bruge. The heat would tense my muscles up in a very bad way. Luckily, I had ordered Mr. Hankey's Gut Punch and it really helped with my stretching, and I noticed a real improvement in my gut health. Go figure.