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#2537812 9/29 Exhibition GDT : Maple Leafs 0 at Red Wings 3

Posted by krsmith17 on Yesterday, 09:03 AM

Come on now Kip, even you have to admit that Smith looked great last night. Jensen was awesome, but there is no denying that Smith did exactly what you say you want him to do (skate the puck out of trouble and get it to a forward) last night. Smith is going to take another huge step this year and even you will be impressed, mark my words. ;)

#2537660 9/29 Exhibition GDT : Maple Leafs 0 at Red Wings 3

Posted by joesuffP on 29 September 2014 - 07:44 PM

Smith has looked solid

#2537596 Ericsson/Smith Day-to-Day with groin/hip flexor issues

Posted by Rivalred on 29 September 2014 - 03:05 PM

Both at the same time?

Seriously, were they scissoring or something?

#2537716 Are the wings underrated?

Posted by Hairy Lime on 29 September 2014 - 08:32 PM


Yes. If we had beat Chicago I still believe we would have won the cup or at least had a legitimate chance to.



A team that can't close a series out after taking a 3 games to 1 lead has no business winning the Cup, and probably wouldn't have. 

#2537553 Babcock " I dont think it will be my final year here"

Posted by wings87 on 29 September 2014 - 10:59 AM

I don't mind him staying on long term, I don't think there are many coaches who could of gotten more out of this team the past 2 years than what Babs got.

#2537440 Datsyuk 2nd degree separated shoulder injury - out approx 4 weeks

Posted by kipwinger on 27 September 2014 - 03:42 PM

You're definitely stretching my words with the magic cure comment. I do think that playing with Zetterberg and Datsyuk will help out Helm more than Miller and Abdelkader and whoever else he usually plays with.


Filppula had his career year when he was moved to Zetterberg's wing. Don't argue that Helm isn't Filppula, i know, i know. The point is it often helps centermen production when they switch to wing and don't have all the same defensive responsibility. It does depend on how they make the transition, but I don't see it as that likely that Helm won't be able to play wing.


I don't know about the boner comment, Helm was relegated to the 4th line last year. He's too good for the 4th line. We've got too many centers - not enough elite wingers. Like i said twice, i just think it's worth a shot. 


If you're looking for an "elite winger" why would you look to an average center?  And if we've got so many high end prospects and middling centers, why don't we package a few of them up for an "elite winger".  Putting Helm on Datsyuk's wing isn't going to give Helm hands all of a sudden.  It will just take the spot away from someone who does have hands...like Jurco, or Mantha, or Tatar. 


As for your Filppula comparison.  I agree, his best year came on the wing with Zetterberg.  Now go look at his career numbers.  His goal scoring didn't improve much that year on the wing.  His assists, on the other hand, went WAY up.  So while he did have better number on the wing, it's not because he was scoring many more goals.  It's because he was passing to better finishers (notably Zetterberg). 


Edit:  I get your point, "it's worth a shot".  But this is a professional sports team.  I would hope we'd have a better strategy for improving our team than "it's worth a shot", or "it couldn't hurt", or "meh, what the hell". The fact that we've got the wrong personnel to address our needs, and keep trying to put bandaids over bullet holes may contribute largely to the dismal result our team has seen since 2009.  Sure, it probably wouldn't kill us to try Helm there.  But isn't there at least one or two other options with a higher probability of success?

#2537427 Datsyuk 2nd degree separated shoulder injury - out approx 4 weeks

Posted by kipwinger on 27 September 2014 - 01:22 PM

Helm : 12 goals in 42 games without Z or Dats. 15 goals in 82 games doesn't sound like an upgrade. Let's at least give him a chance in this new role before we consign him to the same category as Abby. 


Helm rode an unsustainably high shooting percentage to the best numbers of his career and then fell off completely.  He'll never post numbers like that again in his career.  Take it to the bank. 

#2537409 Datsyuk 2nd degree separated shoulder injury - out approx 4 weeks

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 26 September 2014 - 08:10 PM

To clarify are we talking physical players or "meatheads"? You seem to be going back and forth.  Who wouldn't like a physical player who is solid defensively and can score a big goal on occasion.  Every team wants a few of those and there aren't that many available.  


Holland signed Tootoo, a fighter and agitator, and after injuries to nearly every regular on the team, Babcock chose to play absolutely anyone but him.  He made it pretty clear that isn't the type of player he wants on his team.  


The Wings have plenty of needs, but an "enforcer" is at the very bottom of the list.  The injuries have nothing to do with having an enforcer.

It was 17 years ago.


Not that I'm arguing that the Wings necessarily need a meathead, but the last Cup win the Wings had Aaron Downey in the lineup.  And Babcock played him in 56 games.  


It's not just an outdated concept from 17 years ago.


With Tootoo I think it was more that he could never really hit effectively without taking himself well out of position.  And as admirable as it was that he'd drop the gloves with anyone, he hardly struck fear in the hearts of anyone except when he suckerpunched them.  Most of what he did on the Wings was staged fights.

#2537404 Datsyuk 2nd degree separated shoulder injury - out approx 4 weeks

Posted by rrasco on 26 September 2014 - 06:57 PM



You cannot underestimate the camaraderie, and team bonding when a teammate steps up, and goes after an opponent when a questionable hit is delivered.


It was some time ago, but I recall Shanahan saying something along the lines of - 'I'd rather stand up for a teammate, and potentially take an additional 2 min instigator with the idea that my teammates will kill off the ensuing pp rather than to stand around, and do nothing'.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it not uncommon to hear people say they believe that the fight night at the joe is the night that team solidified the Cup win?

#2537480 We're Down One Goose

Posted by Rivalred on 28 September 2014 - 09:02 AM

Stronger bigger guys anyone?

#2537257 Datsyuk 2nd degree separated shoulder injury - out approx 4 weeks

Posted by RyanBarnes! on 25 September 2014 - 07:04 AM

And the stars on those teams still get run.

Yes, and this is because the league will protect the dirty players. Scrap the instigator rule and leave the policing to the players. If a guy is willing to face the music after running a star then so be it, I agree there's no stopping them, but at least dont protect these clowns. Let there be another Lemieux beatdown. I bet more than a few players would think twice and even change their game. Frankly, it cannot get worse than the current state.

#2537218 Datsyuk 2nd degree separated shoulder injury - out approx 4 weeks

Posted by GoWings1905 on 24 September 2014 - 06:30 PM

I especially love the "at least it happened now" line. Like the Wings have a great run of health lately in November, January or April.

#2536628 Who should get cut/traded by game 1 of the season?

Posted by turbowhistle86 on 19 September 2014 - 10:05 PM

Zetterberg Datsyuk Franzen

Sedin Sedin B.Smith

Tatar Sheahan Nyquist

Helm Glendenning Abby

To Vancouver: Weiss, Anderssen, Ferraro , 3rd

Pass that crack pipe....you'll need to throw in that new stadium of ours to make that deal work.

#2536633 TSN ranks all major league sport franchises.

Posted by evilmrt on 19 September 2014 - 11:03 PM

In other news, the biggest joke of a sports network is ESPN

#2536575 Training Camp Thread

Posted by barabbas16 on 19 September 2014 - 09:34 AM

It's a good thing Khan put that "T." In front of "Bertuzzi"....otherwise people might have thought he was talking about Todd instead of Tyler.