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#2532215 Tomas Jurco's Ridiculous New Stick Trick

Posted by VM1138 on 16 July 2014 - 06:28 AM

I remember when hockey players listened to rock. God, I'm old.


Sports radio is really bad, too.  They play a LOT of Katy Perry-style pop.  On a show hosted by forty and fifty year old men.  I'm not one to judge but that's a weird demographic to try and appeal to.

#2532233 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by Playmaker on 16 July 2014 - 10:35 AM

I think some fans are confused as to what a journalist is, the difference between a beat reporter, a columnist, etc.


HSJ and Khan are beat reporters.  Their job is to report the daily goings on of the team in a somewhat factual manner. I'm relatively sure I've seen the issues with the power play reported.  HSJ asked Holland about Franzen being bought out, she asked Holland about the unpopularity of Cleary's signing.  What exactly is she supposed to do?  Post nude pics?


Drew Sharp, Mitch Albom, Bob Wojnowski, etc, they are columnists.  Their job is to give their opinions.  If they are too agreeable and don't get readers fired up, they won't have a job long.

#2531905 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by number9 on 13 July 2014 - 12:49 AM

Is that the goal now? The Play-offs?

Haven't you heard? In the playoffs anything can happen! It's like willy wonka's hockey factory

#2531517 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by Detroit # 1 Fan on 11 July 2014 - 10:45 AM

Tampa Bay signs veteran forward, Brenden Morrow to a one year deal at $1.55M.


I miss you, Stevie Y.

#2531998 Holland Wiki page edited

Posted by gcom007 on 14 July 2014 - 11:09 AM

Oh but Holland DOES give out overpriced UFA contracts....see Quincey and Cleary...BOTH overpriced. Waste of money, whether he has $1M in cap space or $100M...they are BOTH grossly overpaid.


It kills me when posters cite Holland not signing all these UFAs to big deals as a good thing, and that's why we want him, when in fact, he is out there pitching the same huge deals to the UFAs as everyone else, he just keeps getting rejected. How do they conveniently ignore that? And it's not just this year! The stupidity of some of the statements in light of the facts is mind-blowing to me. Holland offers a guy the same deal or a bigger deal, guy signs with other team, and somehow we're lucky to have a GM that doesn't sign UFAs to huge deals? Seriously? I just don't even know where to start when people are so loyal that they can't begin to be even remotely objective about the realities of the situation.

#2531965 Holland Wiki page edited

Posted by mvanpop on 13 July 2014 - 07:46 PM

Yea, but no one says what they'd do as GM. I bet if the average Red Wing fan became GM, he/she would make horrible trades and sign over priced UFA's. We'd be like the Leafs and our team would be build around guys like Kessel, Phaneuf, Lupul, Clarkson, van Reimsdyk and Bozak for the next 4 years plus. No thanks, I'll take Kenny, who's building the team with the draft, isn't signing any over priced UFA's, and actually knows how the cap works.
I understand signing Quincey and Cleary isn't "sexy", but they're only 1 and 2 year deals. That Niskanen deal is insane! Smith and Dekeyser are going to be better then him. Unless a team has drafted the player, I don't think any UFA should be signed for over 4 years. Do an online search and see how many horrible long term UFA signings there's been since 2005-06. The Wings don't have any bad ones over 3 years. The only potential bad one could be Weiss, but he's got a few years to still make the deal a good one.

Holland made an offer for more money and same term for Niskanen and same with other UFAs so it's not like he isn't making idiotic moves just no one is accepting them

#2531718 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by number9 on 11 July 2014 - 11:08 PM

Lidstrom was a competitor, hell all pro athletes are. You don't get to that level without being one. Knowing when to walk away is one thing he definitely didn't learn from Nick. I don't blame him completely, but he can't be so blind to think he can still hack it on this team.

Idk about u, but if I had made the big leagues I woulda milked every second out of playing for the wings. Especially if the GM was giving 2.5 million too. Sure beats retiring

#2531716 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 11 July 2014 - 10:53 PM

Remember after the '13 playoffs, and even though we had just dropped a 3-1 series lead against the hawks, thinking "well at least next year we can improve by not having Cleary on the team"....


Does Cleary not realize that he is making everybody hate him? He could have retired after that season and been remember as a warrior and contributor for his time with the Wings.


Now the only thing main thing people are are going to remember about him is this f***in debacle two years in a row.

He'll be remembered as the guy who made the wings worse because he was too selfish to just hang them up.

He better hope like hell that this isn't the year they miss the playoffs because he will be the scapegoat for a LONG time (as well as Holland, he hasn't thought about his impending legacy as the guy who f***ed up the great Red Wings either)


Cleary is a competitor.  What made him great for those years is the same thing that makes him not want to quit now.  I can't fault a guy for wanting to play for the Red Wings for another year.  


If Cleary makes the team it's because the GM who gave him this contract and his coach decided he should have a spot over younger players.  That's not Cleary's fault.  It's not his responsibility to decline a job with the Red Wings because the GM can no longer evaluate talent effectively. 


I don't think he should've been offered a contract but if the Wings make the playoffs or not, I blame Cleary for nothing.  

#2531557 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by ShanahanMan on 11 July 2014 - 01:10 PM

I called and canceled my half-season ticket plan yesterday over voice mail as well as gave my great displeasure, directly but professionally, over the mismanagement and lack of professionalism of this organization.


I actually received a follow up this morning from the head of ticket services telling me, "If you don't believe in the vision or management style of the best GM in sports, perhaps you might think about following another team". 


I can see they really value the fans. 

#2531425 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 10 July 2014 - 10:53 PM

Dan Cleary after a pillow fight. 


Also, here's what he said about the MASSIVE amount of fan/media criticism today, from MLive:


"Everybody is entitled to their opinion," Cleary said. "You try not to let any of the negativity – or the positive comments – affect you. We live in the day of social media; anyone can say anything. You can't worry about what people think. You got to do what you do."


Good on him. 


Like I said, I don't like this signing but I sure don't blame Cleary for wanting to come back and play for the Red Wings. 


And he is one of the toughest and most fearless players on the team.   The ice packs are from years of going to the parts of the ice Franzen is scared to. 

#2530744 TANK IT! 2014-2015 Season

Posted by Playmaker on 09 July 2014 - 09:26 AM


Egads, I'm not going to reveal how old *I* was at the time of the Oates trade. :)


Don't forget Kevin McClelland. He came along with Carson. What a bargain!

It just goes to show with trades that you just never know.  Jimmy Carson was a proven commodity.  He was a three time (or close to it) 50 goal scorer and he was still in his early 20's.  For whatever, reason, be it the hometown pressure or what not, he could never recapture his scoring touch.  The Wings liked Adam Graves and didn't want to part with him, but he was a young grinder with the Wings at the time and Carson was a budding superstar.  I don't know of many who wouldn't have made that trade.


The Oates thing was entirely different.  I heard an interview with Jacques Demers after he had left Detroit.  Want to say it was with Mitch Albom when he was still doing the sports show on Sunday Nights.  In any event, a law enforcement official contacted the Wings and told them Oates' name was listed in some kind of "black book" of a prominent drug dealer.  With all the Probert stuff going down, the Wings freaked out and quickly dumped Oates for whatever they could get.  Turned out to be a bogus report, but it wasn't purely a hockey move.

#2530248 TANK IT! 2014-2015 Season

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 06 July 2014 - 01:28 PM

No you're right, Oates was the probably the all time worst.

I was only 3 at the time, so the other ones just pissed me off more :P.


The Oates trade was definitely worse. 




Devellano pulled off the craptastic Adam Oates trade. I haven't forgotten.


Don't forget Adam Graves, Klima and Sharples for Jimmy Carson. 


The Wings don't have a great track record when it comes to trading guys named Adam. 

#2530246 TANK IT! 2014-2015 Season

Posted by ShanahanMan on 06 July 2014 - 01:13 PM

You think Jarnkrok is already more valuable than Adam Oates? Not sure if serious.

No you're right, Oates was the probably the all time worst.

I was only 3 at the time, so the other ones just pissed me off more :P.

#2530695 NHL Trivia: Players locked out in both 1994 and 2004

Posted by 55fan on 08 July 2014 - 06:52 PM

That one was tough.  When the answers appeared, I found myself thinking, "Wow, he's that old?" a lot.  I guess that means that I'm old if I find them to be young.

One of these days I will be able to spell Robitaille under pressure.  I can do it now, but when the clock's running, forget it!

#2530642 Red Wings Target Mike Green

Posted by kipwinger on 08 July 2014 - 03:55 PM

i dont give a f*** what kind of points he can put up when he cant play defense. 


To be fair, literally half of our defense can NEITHER play defense NOR score points.  He's at least an improvement in that regard.