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#2623925 Dan Cleary re-signing still possible?

Posted by kipwinger on 27 August 2015 - 08:38 AM

I would be very upset for sure! But there is another player who's name can be inserted in place of Cleary's and it would all mean the same...hasn't been useful in 3-4 years, its not 2009 anymore, at one point was a good locker room guy, just showing up to collect a paycheck...yet, everyone thinks this player will somehow channel his old self and return to his glory days!


I don't want either of them on this team, but for arguments sake, why is it not out of the realm of possibility to think that Cleary could also channel his old self? I doubt it will happen, just like I doubt the other player will either...at least there is mention of sending Cleary to GR to avoid losing a prospect to waivers for him....again...or will he?


Because Cleary didn't score 22 points in 33 games last season.  He scored 2 points in 17 games.  Franzen scored 11 times the points in just under half the amount of games Cleary played.  That's why it's reasonable to expect points from Franzen and not from Cleary.  Obviously. 


Your insistence that Franzen is washed up, and that he's somehow comparable to Cleary is completely and totally absurd. 

#2623932 Franzen back on ice

Posted by number9 on 27 August 2015 - 08:57 AM

I think it also should be noted that Franzen has (allegedly, but in his own words to a Swedish Newspaper) severe anxiety disorder and or depression.  He has, on several occasions, sat out games for unexplained reasons.  He doesn't want attention, he doesn't want to score goals and seems to shy away from physical play.  The research into CTE is still in it's infancy, yet the initial findings are alarming.  I can't imagine a guy with a pre existing mental illness is someone you want to give this another go. If you watch some of those reports on the NFL players with CTE or even watching Jim McMahon not being able to find his way home from a few blocks away, and you see the devastation of their families, it's hard to have the mindset it's only about what Johan wants. 
At this point in his career, I guess I'm just not seeing a return of anything close to a productive Johan Franzen. 

The whole anxiety thing was something he said to a Swedish newspaper when he was 16. I don't know about you, but I had anxiety and a million other things at 16 too. Now I'm fine.

#2623909 Franzen back on ice

Posted by kipwinger on 26 August 2015 - 08:46 PM

I'm sure your heart is bleeding for the future of Johan and the rest of the Franzen family.  I mean, sometimes you have to save people from themselves. 


It seems pretty clear he wants to play.  It seems a little less clear, but still reasonably clear, that he'll be allowed to try.  And it seems mostly clear that he'll make this team better.  So I honestly don't see what the problem is.  Why not get on board the bandwagon and wish him luck, for all the good agonizing over it will do you?

#2623767 Franzen back on ice

Posted by Helmethead on 23 August 2015 - 12:15 PM

Leftwinger bought the truck with the most HOSS power.

#2623697 Franzen back on ice

Posted by DickieDunn on 21 August 2015 - 07:15 PM

Lots of goal scorers are streaky. 27 goals is one every 3 games. If you score a hat trick, there will be 8 games you don't score.

If Franzen wasn't trying to come back, the haters would be saying he's lazy and is just sitting back collecting money he doesn't try to earn.

Anyone they lose on waivers if Franzen starts thebyear healthy is going to be a dime a dozen player. Who cares if they lose a guy who might be an average 4th line player.

#2623096 Mullets - post pics

Posted by Hockeymom1960 on 13 August 2015 - 05:19 PM

C'mon people - it's the boring off season...Here's one of our very own,




That's not a mullet, that's a flow! 

#2622056 Who is better Nyquist or Tatar?

Posted by LeftWinger on 01 August 2015 - 06:21 PM

Yes, he is very diva-esque in that photo.

#2621988 Who is better Nyquist or Tatar?

Posted by Krayzie_Bone on 31 July 2015 - 11:57 PM

I like Tatar more for his personality but I think Nyquist is better player overall right now.

#2621527 Jim Devellano on Mantha's play: "Very disappointing"

Posted by Hockeymom1960 on 24 July 2015 - 05:44 PM

Through it all he needs to man up and play better period, no excuses!

#2621437 Jim Devellano on Mantha's play: "Very disappointing"

Posted by kickazz on 24 July 2015 - 09:50 AM

Won't it be too late?  This is the biggest problem I have with Devellano's comments.  Sure, be disappointed, but why devalue your prospects in the media when there are all sorts of EXCUSES you can use to deflect the disappointment...

Some of our posters would be perfect replacements for Devellano and his minuscule brain. 

#2621262 Pulkkinen re-signs.... 1 year deal

Posted by marcaractac on 23 July 2015 - 09:25 AM

If it only took Pulk and XO to land Buff, I'd be all over it. Anyone who wouldn't make that trade is crazy.

#2621248 Pulkkinen re-signs.... 1 year deal

Posted by Buppy on 22 July 2015 - 08:32 PM

I'm rooting for him obviously, but I just don't see it translating for Pulkkinen. I personally thought the Wings should have sold high on him while he was tearing up the AHL. I think he's very one dimensional and that one dimension can be taken away by bigger, stronger and faster competition in the NHL. 

I don't think tearing up the AHL carries the kind of trade clout that the people who want to trade him seem to think.


Every negative and every question mark you see in his game, NHL GMs also see. He really isn't any more one-dimensional than Nyquist or Tatar, or dozens of other NHL players, but regardless he is an undersized skill winger, not a great skater, not great defensively, not very physical, excellent offensive upside but not guaranteed, won't stick in the NHL if he can't be at least a decent scorer, and he needs to be on an NHL roster next year, regardless of whether he's capable or not (since pretty much any team would take a chance on him if they could get him for free off waivers). 


None of that spells high trade value. Modest value. Considerably below Mantha, even given his lackluster year. We're not going to get a Buffy-level player for him, despite what some people think. (And before anyone says "package", which is just LGW slang for "s*** we don't want anyway"; if Pulkkinen is the biggest piece we still wouldn't get anything all that great.)


Sure, if he completely sucks he could lose what value he does have, but if he's even modestly successful (like 12-15g) his value will go up.


Yup, I hate a player that wears the uniform of my favorite team. That was clearly what I was getting at in my post. God forbid anyone has a dissenting opinion about a player on a discussion board.

He is one of the haters. He was welcoming you, not mocking.

#2619481 Free agents this off season

Posted by Echolalia on 07 July 2015 - 03:52 PM

I hope he's not a 1 trick pony. He needs to be able to do more than just try and rip off his canon of a shot.

I mean, until he's actually able to rip off his canon of a shot in the NHL, I think he's technically a zero trick pony.

#2619370 Free agents this off season

Posted by marcaractac on 07 July 2015 - 10:35 AM

This kid in the AHL is awesome look at his numbers there oh wait he played a few games in the NHL and didn't dominate he sucks dump him right now

While I don't think he sucks by any means, I am unconvinced his success will ever translate to the nhl. I hope I'm wrong. I just don't see it.

#2619360 Free agents this off season

Posted by kipwinger on 07 July 2015 - 09:37 AM

Pulkkinen sucks.  I'd start there.