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#2652101 9 (NINE!) player trade involving Phanuef

Posted by GMRwings1983 on Yesterday, 02:36 PM

Could be.  Or, he could be a really good player that hasn't had enough talent around him to win, and therefore gets zero recognition  for being great.  Stevie Y was almost traded to Ottowa in 1995 as some of the Detroit brass thought he wasn't a winner.  Great player, just not a winner.  Story has it that deal was almost done for us to get Yashin for Stevie...straight up.  Mr. and Mrs. "I" are to have said to have stepped in and squashed the deal. It wasn't until we got Stevie supporting talent around him that we started winning, and he was finally recognized as an elite player and leader.  Without the Russians, Shanny, etc...Stevie could have had the same label put on him as Phaneuf currently has on him. Matts Sundin and a few other above average players aren't exactly a great supporting cast over the years...as of late that includes Kessel, Lupul, JVR, etc...are good, but their not Fedorov, Lids, Shanny, Vladdy, Igor, Murphy, etc....


No comparison.  Yzerman was an amazing offensive force in his prime, even without championships.  If he retires in 1995, you could even make a HHOF case for Yzerman.  Can't do that for Phaneuf.


My post wasn't about championships but about how he hasn't lived up to expectations since his younger days in Calgary.   

#2651853 9 (NINE!) player trade involving Phanuef

Posted by Echolalia on 10 February 2016 - 03:50 PM

I would.  Having a chance to potentially lead the "Maple Leaf Revolution" which incidentally is also his hometown team and the most popular franchise in hockey's biggest country, and make a s*** ton of money doing it?  (and maybe also have Matthews to play alongside next year)

#2651689 9 (NINE!) player trade involving Phanuef

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 09 February 2016 - 11:43 AM

Wow. At least now I don't have to worry about Kenny having a legendary brain fart to bring Phaneuf to Detroit *shiver*

#2651390 2016 Trade Deadline Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 07 February 2016 - 03:10 PM

That's because Larkin is our future, too. He's our home run hit. Nyquist and Tatar were/are solid doubles. Jurco and Pulks are still in development. Mortgaging our future for the present would be a strikeout. I don't like striking out. I like consistency and the occasional home run hit and the chance every year to compete for a Cup by making the playoffs. How many other teams have had what we have had, even in the last decade?

Look, we're one game out of second place in the division. Why the doom and gloom? At the beginning of this season, everyone predicted that we'd just miss the playoffs. Right now, we're solidly positioned to not only make the playoffs, but to have a chance to challenge for a top spot in the division. So why the insistence that our team is collapsing and the end is nigh?
Between Larkin, Mrazek, DD, and our young guys in AA, Marchenko, etc...I think we are better situated for the future than just about any other team in the NHL, and most people who do this for a living would agree. And we've managed that while still managing to make the playoffs every year and take Stanley Cup winners and finalists to 7 games. I ask again - how many teams have had what we have had? It's a short list.

I refuse to accept that tanking is the right way to do the future, and I think any real fan of hockey would agree with me. You take care of the present by taking care of the future. You don't mortgage the future for the present, and you don't trash the present for the future. Say what you will about this team right now, what we've done is the future the right way. Also, half the teams in the NHL are one or two important pieces away from being a Cup contender. That's what the salary cap does to you. 
When it comes right down to it, I don't understand the fan experience that is perpetually mired in negativity and paralyzed by the fear of loss. It's like we refuse to enjoy victory because we're so terrified of the emotional letdown of an inevitable defeat. Is this a great team? Not yet. But it's a good team. Enjoy that. Appreciate it. Acknowledge it.
If Holland makes a slam dunk deal at the trade deadline, I'll be thrilled. But if not, let's have the perspective to say to ourselves that maybe, just maybe, Holland knows what he's doing, and to see that he has our team positioned - again - for a playoff run and a bright future.

But, but, but...we're Detroit! Isn't that how it works? Being rational about these things is such a pain.


Larkin is good, he might be great in a couple years.  That doesn't change the fact that there are no good defense prospects in the system, just some guys who might be solid second pair guys some day.  Dekeyser is at best a decent #2/excellent 3rd pairing guy, not even close to elite.


Who else has had what the Wings have had in the last decade?  Chicago, LA, Boston, Pittsburgh have all been better by quite a bit.


The Wings are 2 points out of second place.  The Isles are also 2 points behind the Wings with 2 games in hand, knocking Detroit out of the playoffs entirely.  It goes back to the "good enough" mentality.


This team is not good.  It struggles to score.  There's no chemistry and little structure.  The defense is mediocre at best, the stars are aging, the support players aren't good enough, and Larkin and Mrazek are probably the only things keeping them from being well out of the playoffs right now.


Holland has lost whatever trust he built up with the Cups.  He's handed out terrible contracts, signed a string of duds in free agency, and has been paralyzed with fear of trading the next great player who comes out of nowhere, but then doesn't want to give the prospects a shot until he has no other choice.  There was zero need to sign Richards with Larkin, AA, and Mantha in the system, but he's so overcommitted to "over ripe,"  which used to be just a phrase meaning we have a lot of good vets, that he's incapable of trusting the very kids he refuses to trade.

#2651346 2016 Trade Deadline Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 07 February 2016 - 09:03 AM

Based on what? The fact that any of them are in the NHL is a huge testament to the scouting and drafting(Holland having a big part). None were 1st round picks and we know the statistics of players usually drafted outside the first round.

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Based on scouting and the team's own projections.  I don't see "well, most guys drafted there don't make the NHL" as an excuse.  Holland is smart enough to know that it's extremely difficult to build a winner without high end players, they don't have those guys with the possible exception of Larkin, and he is doing nothing to address it.  Instead he hands out bad contracts, hoards his prospects, and won't let anyone leave unless they make it clear they want no part in staying.  I'm not satisfied with year after year of mediocrity, sliding into the playoffs and losing in the first round and saying"well, if this or this happened, I think we might have won that round, and after that you never know."  


Dave Dombrowski went overboard with trading and made some crap moves, but at least he was smart enough to realize that most prospects don't live up to their ceiling and moved them when the value was high to get established players in their prime.  Holland used to do that too.  Now he seems afraid that if he trades a guy like Pulkkinen he's trading away Finnish Hull like a bunch of fans say.


A couple years ago when arguing against the "everyone is untouchable" mentality, I suggested that if a guy like Jamie Benn or Tavares was available and it would cost Nyquist, Sproul, Pulk and a first then you have to do it, and I was told by several people "no way that's too much even for a guy like them.  Is there anyone who wouldn't do that deal now from the Wings perspective?


To win the Cup, you need two high end forwards and an elite defenseman, or the harder road with one elite forward, a high end defenseman, and an elite goalie.  The Wings might have one forward in Larkin, lesser possibilities in Mantha, AA, or Svechnikov, a guy who looks like he might be an elite goalie, and nobody close to that on defense.  That means at least one, and ideally two, trades need to be made.  Goalies are notoriously hard to predict, I've seen far too many have a ton of success early then fall back to earth to put too much faith in Mrazek yet.  Holland seems to be content to just sit on his hands, make some minor moves, and stand pat rather than take any risks anymore.  If you're not improving, you're going backwards, and the Wings aren't improving.

#2650718 All Star Skills Competition

Posted by NerveDamage on 31 January 2016 - 11:34 AM

NHL 2016 All-Star Wacky Race


#2650699 All Star Skills Competition

Posted by marcaractac on 31 January 2016 - 12:14 AM

It's annoying that the parameters of the speed run have changed. That will always be the asterisk to this victory. It's almost better to have Larkin come in second all-time under the same scenario and with no guise of doubt to argue from.

Should we nullify hardest shot records now to because the sticks have flex? It's a skills competition record. It is meaningless fun.

#2650640 All Star Skills Competition

Posted by Hockeymom1960 on 30 January 2016 - 07:42 PM

Larkin's "record" is B.S.


Larkin got a running start before he hit the line. Gartner was at a dead stop when the clock started.




I know it's in the NHL's best interest for Larkin to beat Gartner's record and I'm happy for the kid, but, common', let's measure everyone with the same standard.  


Really disappointed with this one.


*rolls eyes*

#2650451 2016 Trade Deadline Thread

Posted by kickazz on 29 January 2016 - 01:55 AM

 Haven't heard much about his attitude throughout his career?

Happy to sad phaneuf



#2650422 Joakim Andesson on Waivers

Posted by sputman on 28 January 2016 - 07:54 PM

I wish Tangradi would get a 10-game stretch on the Wings' 4th line. Let's see what a big body with some snarl can do on this team.


He certainly didn't seem out of step when he was up. And he looked massive out there.



And he has great hair.

#2649867 Joakim Andesson on Waivers

Posted by jimmyemeryhunter on 24 January 2016 - 12:45 AM

Ferraro has 7 points in 37 games with Boston. HUGE mistake giving him to boot!!!

Hey bro.
He had something like 5 points 4 games when we first waived him.

Do you remember when people started including Janmark in their Calder votes like 5 games into the season, "Holland is so bad, blahblahblah, derpppderppp all star, rabble rabble calder"

#2649862 Joakim Andesson on Waivers

Posted by chaps80 on 23 January 2016 - 11:56 PM

Waive a player, gets claimed: Holland sucks!

Wave a player, clears: Holland sucks!


Never change LGW


Ferraro has 7 points in 37 games with Boston. HUGE mistake giving him to boot!!!

#2649622 2016 Trade Deadline Thread

Posted by e_prime on 23 January 2016 - 11:25 AM

You mean LGW hasn't gone and turned full heel on Pulkinnen yet? 

I mean, certainly, LGW wanted him to get a chance before we packed him off without a look.

His injury situation has been problematic and he hasn't necessarily been given the best of opportunities, but...

I think I've seen enough to say: I think he's a guy we could easily part with if we're putting together a package to land a bigger piece. 

#2649504 2016 Trade Deadline Thread

Posted by Echolalia on 22 January 2016 - 07:00 PM

Hypothetically, if the wings got Stamkos, he would not be a sniper with the wings. Blashill's system thwarts any chance for a sniper to score. All one has to look at is Pulkinnen. The coaches cannot find a way for him to be open on a pp. someone wrote a while back to copy Washington's pp. how is it that Ovie can be free all the time, blistering many shots at the net. Pulpy can't even get one. The pp coach needs to be replaced immediately.

I think Pulkinen's struggles in the NHL have less to do with the coaching system and more to do with Pulkkinen.

#2649440 Joakim Andesson on Waivers

Posted by Hairy Lime on 22 January 2016 - 12:44 PM

Please be claimed...