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Ok, here are some problems with your argument

1. Cost, Downie even as an RFA is in store for a big raise.

2. Production, A peewee kid is good for 20 goals on a line with Stakmos and St Louis, if we pick up Downie how can you know his production will be anywhere near the levels its at now if hes not playing with that level talent?

3. He didn't take a discount? His production was better than Flip's but he took less money, he could have probably gotten 3.2 million if you base his contract on flips the year before.

And here are some problems with yours.

1. That big raise wouldn't be that huge and we have alot of money coming off the cap this year, its possible.

2. You guys keep saying he plays with Stamkos and St louis ALL the time. He doesn't, he plays 14 minutes a night, I'm pretty sure Stamkos and St louis play more then that. I used to be a Sarnia Sting Season ticket holder while Stamkos was there so I make a special point to watch Tampa games and no he doesn't always play with these guys. St. Louis bumps around alot on different lines and the 14 a night Downie plays shows he's not always playing with those guys.

3. He wouldn't take a discount so he took the wings to arbitration. The arbitrator didn't give him the money he wanted because he thought he should get more so he flew off to Russia.

4. Hudler got most of his points playing with talent like St louis and Stamkos. Hudler was a PP specialist playing on the PP with guys like Dats, Z and Franzen, youre bound to get points then.

5. Huds is small and soft. He's also slow. Downie is a big body, hits fights and has already put up as many goals as Hudler ever did and Downie is only in his second full season.

After watching the flyers run around constantly at our team today we could use a guy like Downie to run around at other teams, throw them off their game(see carcillo on homer) and still produce. Theres way to much undeserved love for Hudler on this board. Yes he would be good with Hossa's body and blah blah I've heard that enough. Fact of the matter is he doesn't have that body so if you could get a guy like Downie for him, why wouldn't you?

13:39 per game... 9th on the team. Finished 5th on the team with 57 points.

Downie plays 14:36 not really much of a difference. And he's playing against other teams better lines. Hudler got those stats against other third lines and on the PP. Hudler's a great player but I would take Downie and a 4th rounder anyday.

LGW hasn't had a good, long, pointless debate about this in awhile

Yeah its been too long since Ive seen one of these dumb arguments so I figured why not start one. Oh yeah you know what else makes these threads dumb... When ppl post without any input whatsoever.

Okay while I was watching the Griffs game tonight I was talking to some of the guys and I really noticed something and I was wondering if any fight haters noticed too.

Having an enforcer does really make the team play with more balls. Think about while May was playing. We had guys like Meech and CLeary fighting and we were just playing like we had overall a bigger pair of balls while May was in the lineup.

So I just wanted to say it does seem to me an enforcer does have an effect on the team more so then most ppl here on LGW care to admit. And no I'm not flame-baiting haha I'm just saying something I've noticed lately.

Jimmeh!!

I can just see Jimmy in his wheelchair going crazy if he was a red wings fan.

Gotta love South park

Not bad?  Tell that to Savard who received a concussion as a result.

Read my post again. It says not as bad as everyone is making it seem. Just cause he got a concussion doesn't mean its a terribly dirty hit and I don't think it was nearly as bad as some people are saying. I never once said it wasn't bad.

We've only watched E play with Lebda not Lilja. Maybe with Lilja E will look just as good or better then Lebda has.

I tihnk the not allowing doche bags round the net factor is partially why E is in against the flames. And I also think he handles the physicallity of a team like Calgary better then Lebda does.

No elbow, got the head a bit but Savard was leaning forward. Not as bad as everyone here is making it seem but he'll probably get a couple games for it.

Great game by both teams, by far best of the olympics but Canada proves whose game it is!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOO

First off I never thought I would agree with Doc but I gotta say I do.

Secondly I bet that retard doesn't turn again when theres a freight train bearing down on him. He's only 16 he's got time to learn.

Last it was a clean hit. Bad result and the guy shouldn't have turned but Liambas wasn't in the wrong just finishing a check.