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#2577067 Red Wings acquire Erik Cole, conditional 3rd from Stars

Posted by Echolalia on 01 March 2015 - 11:20 PM


How old are you? May I ask? I turn 29 this month and I've followed the Wings religiously my entire life from age 8. For some reason i actually retain most of the generally useless history, info, players, trades, and dialogue I've heard along the way. I've followed the Wings for the entirety of Holland's tenure as GM and I have a particular addiction to information I've come across about NHL front offices. I like to think, as a fan, I'm about as informed as I can be enough to make the claims I do.


Holland has done a lot of things right in his time with the Wings, but he also had an All-Star cast of Front Office support along the way...not limited to Dellevano, Scotty Bowman (who I believe brought way more than people even thought...and they thought he brought a lot), Nill, Mark Howe, and several others. But since those people have started moving on, his ability to make good trades has nose dived. If Babcock creates good coaches, I believe Holland was created by other good front office people. HE does not seem to be a great stand alone GM. The two things that he is most credited for are also other peoples jobs (cap management and scouting). 


This is far more than vibes bro, but thanks for playing.


Actually it sounds like its ONLY vibes.  "who I believe brought way more..." "I believe Holland was created by other good front office people." "He does not seem to be a great stand alone GM".  These aren't facts.  This is what you believe.  And you didn't even bother to try to support these opinions with anything empirical or quantifiable.  As far as any of us are aware you're going off of vibes.

Also, you say Holland's ability to make good trades has nose-dived after people like Nill left.  Nill left in 2013.  Holland only made two trades since then (Legwand and Cole).  That's not exactly a good sample size to base criticism on, especially because the Cole trade isn't even 4 hours old yet, and we haven't had a chance to see what these players can do for their new teams (but considering Holland moved two players who will never see ice as a Red Wing, if Cole plays just one game then the Wings are coming out ahead).  If Holland made any s***ty trades prior to Nill leaving in 2013, are you willing to point the blame on Nill for those screwups?  Or does he only get credit for the good trades, and it was all Holland's idea for the bad ones?  And also, will you be basing your answer off more than vibes again?

#2576994 Red Wings acquire Erik Cole, conditional 3rd from Stars

Posted by HockeytownRules19 on 01 March 2015 - 09:30 PM

Guys, I should know this but I'm an idiot ha


Once 3 PM happens tomorrow... there is no longer the 23 man roster limit... right?

#2576991 Red Wings acquire Erik Cole, conditional 3rd from Stars

Posted by GoWings1905 on 01 March 2015 - 09:29 PM


He likes our team.


He isn't alone. There isn't a whole lot not to like about these guys through 60 games. 

#2576953 Red Wings acquire Erik Cole, conditional 3rd from Stars

Posted by Jersey Wing on 01 March 2015 - 09:06 PM

And to sweeten tonight's trade talk:

Florida 4

TB 3


3 games in hand, one point back.

#2576939 Red Wings acquire Erik Cole, conditional 3rd from Stars

Posted by sputman on 01 March 2015 - 08:56 PM


I know he wore 26 with Carolina during the cup run, but I think he had to switch to 72 because someone else was wearing it for MTL and DAL. Jurco wears 26 for us.



Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 2m2 minutes ago


Tomas Jurco trades #26 to Erik Cole for #62 and a conditional 3rd round pick

#2576807 Red Wings acquire Erik Cole, conditional 3rd from Stars

Posted by darkmanx on 01 March 2015 - 08:03 PM

I don't want anymore additions to this team unless we lose guys like weiss andersen miller kindl off our lineups

Dread to think what we'd give up next for some one who's not a 36 yr old ufa

Doesn't mean everything Kenny does is gold


Please point out where I said that in my post. However last year it was the exact same thing when they traded Jarnkrok, you were angry about that as well stating how great he was going to be. Do you want to stay mediocre forever while we hope Backman comes back and Janmark hopefully become an elite center behind Larkin, AA, Sheahan... we can't keep everyone. Cole makes a better team right now. If Helm misses a lot of time who will replace him? Cole is still pretty quick. Yea, 33 points in 57 games isn't too bad either.

#2576802 Red Wings acquire Erik Cole, conditional 3rd from Stars

Posted by rick zombo on 01 March 2015 - 08:02 PM

Jesus Christ. 


I have my head up the azz of hockeysfuture.com as much as the next Red Wings fan, and I love my prospects, but this deal was a home run. Wtf are people complaining about? 

#2534220 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by number9 on 14 August 2014 - 09:42 AM

Best signing yet. Hollands offseason acquisition is himself. His deadline acquisition will be Babs.

#2533285 Samuelsson signs new contract....... with Djurgarden.

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 29 July 2014 - 11:34 AM

Now the glass and boards at the JLA can sleep easy knowing that Sammy won't be around to hurt them anymore.  

#2530424 What's best for Mantha?

Posted by nosyt612 on 07 July 2014 - 01:49 PM

Good point about Babcock...until he is gone, this team is stuck in a rut.  Legwand waived his NTC because he wanted to play here, but after what Babcock did to him, he bolted.  Babcock is the issue why no good UFA wants to come here...and its no secret why Canada is going in a different direction for their Olympic team next time.

The back to back Gold medals is a big underachievement. 

#2530375 What's best for Mantha?

Posted by LeftWinger on 07 July 2014 - 10:47 AM

Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Mantha (if he wins it, we don't have a legit top 6, so it's open to take!)

Nyquist - Weiss - Alfredsson (I know this is Frazen's spot, but if Alfie re-signs, I prefer him here.)



...dang, we got too many forwards...what do we do with Miller/Abby/Glendening/Andersson/Helm? Not to mention Callahan and Ferraro...sheesh, no wonder we weren't really looking at UFA forward.

#2530159 What's best for Mantha?

Posted by darkmanx on 05 July 2014 - 08:24 PM

Start the year in GR and is the first call up for injuries.

#2528939 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by F.Michael on 01 July 2014 - 06:40 PM


Who cares? The other players went elsewhere. It's not like that money was gonna be spent elsewhere. I get being disappointed in not landing a big UFA today, but the amount of hate and overreacting going on in here is ridiculous. 

I personally would've rather seen kids from GR get their chance at the #5, and #6 spots on defense.

#2525331 Alfie informs Wings he wants to return

Posted by Jesusberg on 23 June 2014 - 05:18 PM

Man, I don't care if the guy's 42, 45, 58 1/2 - it's one less spot for Dan Cleary.

#2517335 Was Legwand worth it?

Posted by Shinzaki on 26 April 2014 - 06:41 PM

Jarnkrok was not our best prospect...Mantha is our best prospect.