Even if we make the finals against PIT, we can't compete with that.... although u never know these days
This is what GMs are supposed to be thinking about. On paper, we're no match for that lineup. Thankfully, weird things always happen in the second season. Still, a GM should not count on it and sit on his ass while others assemble teams like that.
Shero saw what was available and went for it. He's a GM who actually has a sack and isn't afraid to make some moves to improve the roster. The Pens still have Beau Bennett and most of their better prospects on defense.
The Pens got tougher to play against across the board. Murray's a big, physical, shot-blocking defensive defenseman. Pair him with Orpik and they can shut people down. Morrow and Iginla are both power forwards who are not afraid to throw the body around.
This team got a lot better. Three real good players left teams in the West we might have to beat to get into the playoffs. I like these moves for both us and them.
Crucify me for saying this if you wish. Call me crazy and a traitor. But if Kenny retired today...give Shero a blank check and the key to the city.
It's doubtful he will ever be as good as Iginla was. Iginla is a future HoFer. He may never be as good as Iginla is now, but he is someone who will be a good player for many years to come.
So you would rather have a solid player for years to come than have a player who can score 30 on mediocre to crappy teams? Iginla may be "old" but he's got a few 30 goal years left. What's more is the style of game he plays: the Wings don't have that dimension. Solid players are great, you need guys like Cleary, Abdelkader, Helm, etc. But (with the exception of Helm) there are way more of them than Iginla's. Your opinion and defense of Nyquist over Iginla is fine, I'm not saying that, but in my mind it's absolutely worth it to get rid of a 3/2nd line tweener who will be solid for years if it gets us 2 or 3 years of dangerous offense. Like people have said, he could replace Filpulla at Flip's desired 5 million and be a much stronger addition than Flip. I think sometimes we get so caught up on long-term stability that we forget stability can sometimes only make you mediocre. We all want to be good for a decade, but if we're constantly hoping that we'll be good "in the future" we never will be. Nyquist will be good, but right now I don't think he'll ever be a franchise-type player. So he's expendable in the right circumstances.
If we trade players that could be the next guys to carry this team after Datsyuk and Zetterberg leave for a 35 year old player, rental or not, we don't have much of a future. Like I said before, we're not one player away from a Cup here. How much of an impact is Iginla going to have in Detroit while the team is in this transition phase? Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have him in Detroit, but his best years are behind him. Power forwards play a more physical kind of hockey, he won't last into his 40's like Lidstrom.
Again, I like Nyquist and he will be good for us. But we need to win now because there are too many variables that could keep us from winning Cups in the future, talented prospects or not. All we need is 2 or 3 years. Iginla could shift from scoring threat to Bertuzzi-like player if he declines so fast. Teams need those, too. You don't get anywhere with pure youth.
A 35 year old power forward? Calgary's going to want to cash in big because he's their franchise, but you don't see very many power forwards lasting this long and being effective and its not like we're one piece away from a championship here. I think we need scoring, but I can't even imagine giving Calgary that much for a guy that will probably be a just a rental and won't be nearly as effective as he was in the past. Let some other franchise throw away their future for a rental.
I do believe that Morrow was one of their highly looked at prospects though. Penguin fans (we know they like to overrate their prospects) had him rated as one of their top, if not, top defensive prospect.
The recent moves haven't been moving fat though, that's the thing. It's been moving picks and it's probably the main thing teams are gunning for this off-season due to the deep draft class.
That's exactly the point I'm making, if you've got a deep talent pool of defensive prospects you can move your top rated one without causing any long term harm to your team as a whole. Clearly Shero believed that they could move Morrow and still be fine in the long run. Just because a prospect is really good doesn't mean he has more value playing for your team than he does as trade bait. Holland always views our prospects as future Red Wings, which isn't necessarily bad, but I'm arguing that a guy like Nyquist or Smith (given our prospect depth) has more value as trade bait than as a future player. Just like Morrow clearly had more value as trade bait in Shero's eyes.
Pittsburgh really wants to win it this year, huh? But at the same time, if they're willing to give up two 2nd round picks as well as one of their best prospects, why not do it for Iginla instead? Murray and Morrow have both been awful this season and one of both of them will need a massive turnaround in Pittsburgh for these moves to look good.
Giving up a lot of future for mediocre guys. Saying that though, they're definitely looking like a contender this year.
I'm getting a little irritated by this whole "giving up the future" argument. They are absolutely loaded with defensive prospects. Moving one out of the bunch isn't going to "mortgage the future". They have defensive prospects like we have forward prospects, we're lousy with them. God forbid we move one and rely on the rest for the "future".
I agree. Shero's a smart hockey dude that's not afraid to pay the price for talent. But, to be fair, he has a team that are/were only a few tweaks away from being a top 2 or 3-team favourite. Holland has more holes to fill than that, and last time I checked this team hasn't gone on any 12-13 game winning streaks or whatever. Know what I mean?
I agree, but I don't just mean this season. I mean in general. If you look at the Pens team, who did they develop on their own? Crosby, Fleury, Malkin, Letang, Kennedy. Those guys are all good, but they are only marginally better than Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Howard, Filppula, and Kronwall...if they're better at all. However, they've gone out and acquired Neal, Kunitz, Sutter, Martin, Dupuis...and now Murray and Morrow.
I'm not saying Shero is a better GM than Holland, he doesn't draft or develop players any better than Holland does, and Holland didn't have the option of picking high for guys like Crosby or Malkin. Where Holland really misses the boat is in the trade/FA markets, where he usually misses out on higher end talent because he likes to play it safe. You don't get quality players (that you didn't develop yourself) by refusing to move good young prospects, and by refusing to pay market value. Which is why they got Neal, Sutter, Kunitz, Martin, etc. and we got Sammy, Bert, White, and Quincey.
Incredibly skilled player, that despite his great numbers, never really met his full potential on the ice and took shifts off... Off the ice, an ingrate and primadona who held an organization (that basically gave him a career and life) hostage and was more interested in being "the guy", than part of something special... his number should never go into the rafters amongst true greats and sully the meaning of what it means to go into elite Red Wing history, which is reserved for only the best of the best