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I just realized Ken made his son assistant GM of the Oilers lol and his kid was working for the Maple Leafs back when Ken was still managing Detroit...

Canucks not re-signing Casey DeSmith. Id like this pickup for us. Cheap reliable backup goalie. Can step in if Lyon or Husso falter.

Holland traded Vernon away almost immediately upon taking over. And Holland ran every draft from 87 to 97. He's literally directly responsible for drafting Fedorov, Lidstrom, Konstantinov, Kozlov, Osgood, Knuble, Primeau, Lapointe, Sillinger, McCarty, Drake, and Holmstrom. I also find it funny that you credit Andersson with Datsyuk and Zetterberg. But you don't consider the fact that Lidstrom and Holmstrom were also Andersson, not Jimmy Devellano. Oh and Klima, Kozloz, Fedorov, and Konstantinov... those were masterminded by Jim Lites, not Jimmy D. Do you still think Devellano drafted Steve Yzerman? Sorry to tell you, but that was Neil Smith. Probert and Kocur were both Neil Smith. Shanahan, Fetisov, Murphy, Maltby, Larionov, and Vernon trades all happened when Jimmy D gave GM responsibilities to Scotty Bowman. But do you know what trade Devellano did do? The Federko trade. Probably the worst trade in Red Wings history. But I guess he also did the best trade in Wings history when he got Draper for one dollar.... wait! Nope, that was Bryan Murray. Paul Coffey, Brad McCrimmon, and Dino Ciccarelli, also Bryan Murray. Now that I think about, the Wings were pretty much garbage under Devellano until Holland, Andersson, and Bowman came around. So really Devellano got handed an all star team by them. No wonder he had to step back in 97 and let Holland take over. Furthermore, Hakan Andersson was hired by Devellano based on the advice of Nick Polano and Crister Rockstrom. Devellano had never even met or spoken with Andersson before he hired him. The hiring was blind luck on Devellanos part. But do you know who Andersson credits with mentoring him and training him up to become a full time scout intead of a part timer who drives cab and guides fishermen? You guessed right: Ken Holland. So I guess you could say Ken is sorta responsible for Andersson's career? Boy, and aren't we lucky Holland actually had the nuts to listen to a part-time scout with no prior expierence only 1 year in, or we wouldn't have gotten Lidstrom in that draft. You can hate Holland for the failures post Lidstrom all you want, but that guy was an integral part of building all of the dynasty teams. And was the guy who successfully navigated us into the cap era to win more cups. He's in the HOF because smart folks responsible for that dont base their entire opinion of him on recency bias.

Nobody was convinced on Bertuzzi either, and boy he proved everyone wrong. And Mazur plays the same way. First year in GR and he's already ahead of the more offensive prospects in Kasper, Lombardi, and Soderblom on the score sheet. And he's nipping at Hirose's heels as well. Lowkey our most promising forward in GR.

Everything good that happened with the WIngs was Devellano, Bowman and Murray, Holland had nothing to do with it, but everything bad that happened was all Holland, nothing to do with his amateur or pro scouts LOL. A big part of being a gm is hiring the right people that will together assemble a team. No one should get all the blame or all the glory. Losing Jim Nill was a huge loss to this team. Its gonna be a sad day when Hakan retires.

So what’s up with you guys tonight?

No he isn't. In 13 NHL drafts where Yzerman had at least one 1st round pick, he has NEVER traded up with his first pick. He has stood pat 12 of those drafts and traded down once to acquire more picks. 15th overall is his first pick. 0% in past drafts is not a "good" chance he trades up with that pick this time around. In the 3 drafts where he had 2 1st rounders, he traded up once (Cossa) and stood pat twice. Even when he has a 2nd pick in the first round, it is still only a 33% chance he trades up with that 2nd pick. And the 1 time he did it, he had multiple picks in other rounds to use to do it, a luxury he does not have this year. Yzerman only has 1 pick in each of the first 6 rounds. Guess how many 1st round picks he has this draft? So out of 16 overall 1st round picks in 14 drafts, Yzerman has traded up only once. That is a whopping 93.5% of the time he stands pat or trades down. And he has NEVER EVER traded his 1st pick to move UP. So, how exactly is he known for doing this?

No it's not. KH was a scout and AGM, but those 90s teams were more Bowman and JD. KH was given a team with Yzerman, Fedorov, Lidstrom, Shanahan, Murphy, Holmstrom, Larionov, and Vernon when he took over as GM in 97. He won 2 Cups with that core. He didn't win another Cup until 2008 with Daysyuk, Lidstrom, Zetterberg, and Hasek as his core. Dats and Z were Hakan. KH just threw them a bone as late round picks. And even then he won only one Cup with this core.

Correct me if Im wrong on any of this THE FIRST TRIUMVIRATE IS FORMED 1980 - Denise Illitch marries attorney Jim Lites, and Mike Illitch subsequently hires his son in law to be counsel for Little Ceasars. 1982 - Lites assists Mike in purchasing the Detroit Red Wings, where Lites also assumes the role of in house counsel. To run the franchise, Illitch and Lites manage to poach the mastermind behind the Islanders dynasty, Jim Devellano. 1985 - Working together, Lites and Devellano are able to mastermind Petr Klimas defection from the USSR to the USA and the Red Wings. This same year the Wings AHL goalie Ken Holland retires, and Devellano gives him an amatuer scouting position with the Wings. 1987 - Scout Ken Holland is promoted to Director of Amateur Scouting, and the first triumvirate, of Lites, Devellano, and Holland is formed. 1990 - Lites is promoted to VP of Hockey Ops Under these three the Red Wings would draft Lidstrom, Fedorov, Konstantinov, Konstantinov, Kozlov, Lapointe, Osgood, and McCarty, and manage the successful defections of the Russians. A solid portion of the eventual 97 and 98 cup teams. THE SECOND TRIUMVIRATE 1993 - Lites's wife was being a total B, so he divorced that skank. Because she was an Illitch, he decides it's best to find work elsewhere, and is hired by the Dallas Stars to be President and CEO. Thus ending the first triumvirate. But the timing couldn't have been better for this, because Devellano is able to hire living legend Head Coach Scotty Bowman the same year. Thus the second, and the most powerful, triumvirate of Devellano, Holland, and Bowman is formed. 1994 - Holland is promoted to Assistant General Manager, and Jim Nill, a pro scout from the Senators, is poached to replace Holland in Ken's old director roll. 1997 - After winning a cup, Devellano is promoted to President of the Wings org, and Holland becomes the new GM. 1998 - Holland promotes Nill to become his assistant GM. 2002 - Bowman retires from coaching, but stays on with the team in an advisory role. 2003 - Holland and Nill hire Joe Mcdonnell to take on draft duties as the new scouting director. 2005 - Holland and Nill poach coaching prodigy Mike Babcock from the Ducks. 2006 - Steve Yzerman retires and is hired to be the new VP of Hockey Ops. The seond triumvirate captures 4 cups. Including one in 2008 after shrewdly and successfully navigating the team into cap era. And a new future triumvirate is begining to form between the likes of Holland, Nill, Mcdonnell, Babcock and Yzerman. THE BRAIN DRAIN 2009 - Scotty Bowman leaves the team to instead advise his son, the GM of the BlackHawks. 2010 - Steve Yzerman, believing Jim Nill is next in line to run the team when Holland retires, leaves to cut his teeth elsewhere, and becomes GM of Tampa Bay. 2013 - Holland, after talking for years about retiring when Lidstrom does, opts not to. With this, Nill decides to seek promotion elsewhere, and he falls into the arms of former 1st triumvirate star Jim Lites, who hires him to become GM of the Dallas Stars. Jim takes with him to Dallas Scouting director Joe Mcdonnell among several other Detroit scouts. Tyler Wright is hired to replace Mcdonnell. 2015 - Seeing the front office gutted for 4 years and the team on the decline, Babcock decides to leave for the Maple Leafs coaching job. Rookie coach Jeff Blashill is hired to replace him. Suddenly all that remains is an aged Devellano, Holland, and two very green replacements in Blash and Wright. THE FALSE TRIUMVIRATE 2017 - After years of Blashill unable to get results from his veteran roster, Wright unable to replace the vets, and desperation contracts from Holland, the Illitch faimily finally authorizes a rebuild. 2019 - Holland and Chris Illitch orchestrate Yzermans return to manage the Franchise, so that Holland can move to President. However, after this is done, Holland is offered a GM job with an already loaded Oilers team and its too juicy to pass up. He leaves and takes Tyler Wright with him. Holland would fire Wright in Edmonton a few seasons later, as would Yzerman fire Blashill in Detroit.