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#61 ToddDaGod

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Posted 15 August 2005 - 12:08 PM

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I'm worried about paying a player who sucks. I don't care if he signs for the league min, that is money that could be spent on someone with a hint of talent.


You sound like a broken record. We need talent. We need talent. Not too much talent at $450,000.

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Well...Andy Delmore? Soft and a defensive liability....sounds like a loser! Plus couldn't even handle playing in Nashville


You didn't get the memo Barnes? Lidstrom, Schneider, and Kronwall apparently aren't offensive enough to bolster our d-core.

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Posted 15 August 2005 - 12:09 PM

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any link to an article saying we signed this guy....?

Eklund's hockey rumor site is the only source at the momeny. There's nothing from a reliable source, yet anyway.

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Posted 15 August 2005 - 12:11 PM

Delmore has to be a GR signing, if he's signed. It makes little sense with the D-men we have to get a power play specialist.

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Posted 15 August 2005 - 12:15 PM

QUOTE (ToddDaGod @ August 15, 2005 - 01:04PM)

Yet again, saying they are cutting down on obstruction and doing it are 2 different things. They've said that in the past before too. None the less, we cannot afford talented players who are tough. Everybody from here on out has a serious problem is some aspect of their game. I would love to have talented tough guys, but we have to be realistic. Brown has good leadership qualities too, which is never a bad thing. I'm not saying Brown has all the answers, but he's an option and a good one at that.

If he has such great leadership qualities, why did the Wild name him Captain and then trade him. You don't just trade your C unless things aren't working out. It wasn't because he was going to be asking for too much money! If you are with Minnesota and things aren't working out, then you have some serious concerens.
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Posted 15 August 2005 - 12:18 PM

QUOTE (ToddDaGod @ August 15, 2005 - 01:08PM)

You sound like a broken record. We need talent. We need talent. Not too much talent at $450,000.



You didn't get the memo Barnes? Lidstrom, Schneider, and Kronwall apparently aren't offensive enough to bolster our d-core.

Take some time to look at the players who are UFA's because the didn't get a QO. Teams thought they could save some money on young guys and go after some top names. Talent for cheap is what you have. It won't be spoon fed to you, you will actually take some time to do your own reading and thinking. With some practice, it might enlighten you to what is out there.
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Posted 15 August 2005 - 12:25 PM

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  Yet again, saying they are cutting down on obstruction and doing it are 2 different things. They've said that in the past before too. None the less, we cannot afford talented players who are tough. Everybody from here on out has a serious problem is some aspect of their game. I would love to have talented tough guys, but we have to be realistic. Brown has good leadership qualities too, which is never a bad thing. I'm not saying Brown has all the answers, but he's an option and a good one at that.

If he has such great leadership qualities, why did the Wild name him Captain and then trade him. You don't just trade your C unless things aren't working out. It wasn't because he was going to be asking for too much money! If you are with Minnesota and things aren't working out, then you have some serious concerens.

When was Delmore named captain of anything? Your argument makes no sense. If you want to know the reason why Brown was expendable, it's because they already had Alex Henry and Willie Mitchell back there. If we had ONE mean D-Man with size, I'd be somewhat happy, we have none.

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Posted 15 August 2005 - 12:32 PM

We're believing Eklund now? He also says in his blog that Detroit is interested in Cujo. Are we going to have a 3 goalie cycle now?!?!?!
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Posted 15 August 2005 - 12:35 PM

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Take some time to look at the players who are UFA's because the didn't get a QO. Teams thought they could save some money on young guys and go after some top names. Talent for cheap is what you have. It won't be spoon fed to you, you will actually take some time to do your own reading and thinking. With some practice, it might enlighten you to what is out there.


lol, how old are you, 15? If you want to test my knowledge, please, PM me and we can take care of it there.

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If he has such great leadership qualities, why did the Wild name him Captain and then trade him. You don't just trade your C unless things aren't working out. It wasn't because he was going to be asking for too much money! If you are with Minnesota and things aren't working out, then you have some serious concerens.


And you want me to do research? Why don't you pull your thumb outta your ass and do some yourself. Who hasn't minnesota traded for s**t? Gaborik, Fernandez, and Roloson. They value prospects and picks over players. They're whole philosophy is team first, players second.

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Posted 15 August 2005 - 12:37 PM

QUOTE (Barnes52 @ August 15, 2005 - 01:25PM)
QUOTE (LIDDYGIBBY5 @ August 15, 2005 - 01:15PM)
QUOTE (ToddDaGod @ August 15, 2005 - 01:04PM)

  Yet again, saying they are cutting down on obstruction and doing it are 2 different things. They've said that in the past before too. None the less, we cannot afford talented players who are tough. Everybody from here on out has a serious problem is some aspect of their game. I would love to have talented tough guys, but we have to be realistic. Brown has good leadership qualities too, which is never a bad thing. I'm not saying Brown has all the answers, but he's an option and a good one at that.

If he has such great leadership qualities, why did the Wild name him Captain and then trade him. You don't just trade your C unless things aren't working out. It wasn't because he was going to be asking for too much money! If you are with Minnesota and things aren't working out, then you have some serious concerens.

When was Delmore named captain of anything? Your argument makes no sense. If you want to know the reason why Brown was expendable, it's because they already had Alex Henry and Willie Mitchell back there. If we had ONE mean D-Man with size, I'd be somewhat happy, we have none.

I was talking about Brown being captain of the Wild. When your input is asked for by those who makes decisions, what makes you happy will matter. I've been reading your posts for a while and all you want to do is complain about decisions that are made and expect that your oppinions should be taken into account by Holland and Illitch. Get over yourself and give the people who have brought us some cups the benefit of the doubt that they know what they are doing.
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Posted 15 August 2005 - 12:38 PM

QUOTE (ToddDaGod @ August 15, 2005 - 01:35PM)

lol, how old are you, 15? If you want to test my knowledge, please, PM me and we can take care of it there.



And you want me to do research? Why don't you pull your thumb outta your ass and do some yourself. Who hasn't minnesota traded for s**t? Gaborik, Fernandez, and Roloson. They value prospects and picks over players. They're whole philosophy is team first, players second.

What you don't know could fill an encyclopedia.
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#71 ToddDaGod

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Posted 15 August 2005 - 12:39 PM

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We're believing Eklund now? He also says in his blog that Detroit is interested in Cujo. Are we going to have a 3 goalie cycle now?!?!?!


I know, we are a sorry bunch. thumbup.gif

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Posted 15 August 2005 - 12:39 PM

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Eklund still appears to be the only one reporting this, so perhaps it isn't true?

Even if it is true though, it isn't the worst thing in the world.  I would have ratherd get Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Kronwall re-signed before I go signing guys like Delmore, but if the deal does happen, and it is "cheap" as Eklund reports, then hopedully it wont effect our chances at re-signing the other 3.

At the end of the day though, if this signing goes through, then we haven't addressed our need for size, but we have added some good depth to the blue-line and we could always throw Delmore onto the wing to take advantage of his offensive skills.

Not the worst move in the world, but not the smartest either.

We don't have the luxury of signing every player we want to. That is why we now have a salary cap. We need to get the best players that price will allow. The most important thing to do is re-sign our players. Dats for $3M hopefully, Hank for $2, and Kronwall for $850,000. We have to leave that and about another $1M for a little breathing room under the cap. That all means we can't go crazy signing people and have to be smart about it. We take who we can that fits under the cap.

Best players for what we NEED:

Brad Brown
Todd Simpson

Not another soft, puck moving d-man mad.gif

Brad Brown http://www.tsn.ca/nh...id=175&hubName=


Assets Plays an intimidating game from the back end, and can also drop the gloves at will. Has excellent leadership qualities.

Flaws Lacks foot speed and has trouble going up against shifty forwards in the NHL. Has not developed his defensive game as well as expected.

Career potential No. 6 or 7 defenseman.

Total NHL 330 2 27 29 -16 747 108 1.85

Sounds like a winner

sounds like a defensive liability that would NEVER crack the wings line up..

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Posted 15 August 2005 - 12:40 PM

QUOTE (ToddDaGod @ August 15, 2005 - 01:35PM)

lol, how old are you, 15? If you want to test my knowledge, please, PM me and we can take care of it there.



And you want me to do research? Why don't you pull your thumb outta your ass and do some yourself. Who hasn't minnesota traded for s**t? Gaborik, Fernandez, and Roloson. They value prospects and picks over players. They're whole philosophy is team first, players second.

They trade players who will cost money to re-sign. Not players who TSN calls a career number 6-7 D. They do everything they can to resign low value players which is what he is.
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#74 ToddDaGod

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Posted 15 August 2005 - 12:40 PM

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What you don't know could fill an encyclopedia.


lol, sorry, over estimated your age. 8 years sounds a little more like it. PM me and we can discuss it!

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Posted 15 August 2005 - 12:42 PM

QUOTE (ToddDaGod @ August 15, 2005 - 01:40PM)

lol, sorry, over estimated your age. 8 years sounds a little more like it. PM me and we can discuss it!

Tough guy talking from behind his computer. Gotta love 'em.
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Posted 15 August 2005 - 12:43 PM

QUOTE (LIDDYGIBBY5 @ August 15, 2005 - 01:37PM)
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QUOTE (ToddDaGod @ August 15, 2005 - 01:04PM)

   Yet again, saying they are cutting down on obstruction and doing it are 2 different things. They've said that in the past before too. None the less, we cannot afford talented players who are tough. Everybody from here on out has a serious problem is some aspect of their game. I would love to have talented tough guys, but we have to be realistic. Brown has good leadership qualities too, which is never a bad thing. I'm not saying Brown has all the answers, but he's an option and a good one at that.

If he has such great leadership qualities, why did the Wild name him Captain and then trade him. You don't just trade your C unless things aren't working out. It wasn't because he was going to be asking for too much money! If you are with Minnesota and things aren't working out, then you have some serious concerens.

When was Delmore named captain of anything? Your argument makes no sense. If you want to know the reason why Brown was expendable, it's because they already had Alex Henry and Willie Mitchell back there. If we had ONE mean D-Man with size, I'd be somewhat happy, we have none.

I was talking about Brown being captain of the Wild. When your input is asked for by those who makes decisions, what makes you happy will matter. I've been reading your posts for a while and all you want to do is complain about decisions that are made and expect that your oppinions should be taken into account by Holland and Illitch. Get over yourself and give the people who have brought us some cups the benefit of the doubt that they know what they are doing.

Shut the board down then.....no one is allowed to doscuss the Red Wings unless you cheerlead and drink the koolaid. Attn forum: Unless you're a Red Wing Homer, like Liddy, you can't have an opinion. rolleyes.gif Typical homer who doesn't understand that it wasn't Holland who brought us the cups....it was Jim Devellano, Bryan Murray and even Scotty Bowman (He acquired Shanny) that built this team. Holland was haded the keys, and did everything to screw this up, but because the Wings were so deep and the foundation so solid, nothing happened. But since you started watching hockey in 2001/2002, I wouldn't expect you to get that. Lastly, I do complain, myself and others took alot of heat when we said Detroit would lose in the playoffs because they were too finesse, to soft. I think we were proven right, all I ask is that Holland address this issue like he said he would. Now you can go back to being a homer, thanks!

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Posted 15 August 2005 - 12:45 PM

QUOTE (Barnes52 @ August 15, 2005 - 01:43PM)
QUOTE (LIDDYGIBBY5 @ August 15, 2005 - 01:37PM)
QUOTE (Barnes52 @ August 15, 2005 - 01:25PM)
QUOTE (LIDDYGIBBY5 @ August 15, 2005 - 01:15PM)
QUOTE (ToddDaGod @ August 15, 2005 - 01:04PM)

  Yet again, saying they are cutting down on obstruction and doing it are 2 different things. They've said that in the past before too. None the less, we cannot afford talented players who are tough. Everybody from here on out has a serious problem is some aspect of their game. I would love to have talented tough guys, but we have to be realistic. Brown has good leadership qualities too, which is never a bad thing. I'm not saying Brown has all the answers, but he's an option and a good one at that.

If he has such great leadership qualities, why did the Wild name him Captain and then trade him. You don't just trade your C unless things aren't working out. It wasn't because he was going to be asking for too much money! If you are with Minnesota and things aren't working out, then you have some serious concerens.

When was Delmore named captain of anything? Your argument makes no sense. If you want to know the reason why Brown was expendable, it's because they already had Alex Henry and Willie Mitchell back there. If we had ONE mean D-Man with size, I'd be somewhat happy, we have none.

I was talking about Brown being captain of the Wild. When your input is asked for by those who makes decisions, what makes you happy will matter. I've been reading your posts for a while and all you want to do is complain about decisions that are made and expect that your oppinions should be taken into account by Holland and Illitch. Get over yourself and give the people who have brought us some cups the benefit of the doubt that they know what they are doing.

Shut the board down then.....no one is allowed to doscuss the Red Wings unless you cheerlead and drink the koolaid. Attn forum: Unless you're a Red Wing Homer, like Liddy, you can't have an opinion. rolleyes.gif Typical homer who doesn't understand that it wasn't Holland who brought us the cups....it was Jim Devellano, Bryan Murray and even Scotty Bowman (He acquired Shanny) that built this team. Holland was haded the keys, and did everything to screw this up, but because the Wings were so deep and the foundation so solid, nothing happened. But since you started watching hockey in 2001/2002, I wouldn't expect you to get that. Lastly, I do complain, myself and others took alot of heat when we said Detroit would lose in the playoffs because they were too finesse, to soft. I think we were proven right, all I ask is that Holland address this issue like he said he would. Now you can go back to being a homer, thanks!

It's one thing to discuss, it's another thing to just complain about everything. I have never seen you happy. When it comes down to it, Holland makes the decisions. Illitch has given him the reigns. Bryan Murray, give me a break. I will give you that the names you mentioned are VERY important, but Murray please!
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#78 Heaton

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Posted 15 August 2005 - 12:48 PM

People getting their panties in a bunch all because of a rumor? NO! that could never happen! Hey Barnes, I heard we traded Chelios for a feather pillow and Babcock is going to institute a no hitting rule for the team. We're gonna have a play nice policy.
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Posted 15 August 2005 - 12:49 PM

QUOTE (Barnes52 @ August 15, 2005 - 01:43PM)

Shut the board down then.....no one is allowed to doscuss the Red Wings unless you cheerlead and drink the koolaid. Attn forum: Unless you're a Red Wing Homer, like Liddy, you can't have an opinion. rolleyes.gif Typical homer who doesn't understand that it wasn't Holland who brought us the cups....it was Jim Devellano, Bryan Murray and even Scotty Bowman (He acquired Shanny) that built this team. Holland was haded the keys, and did everything to screw this up, but because the Wings were so deep and the foundation so solid, nothing happened. But since you started watching hockey in 2001/2002, I wouldn't expect you to get that. Lastly, I do complain, myself and others took alot of heat when we said Detroit would lose in the playoffs because they were too finesse, to soft. I think we were proven right, all I ask is that Holland address this issue like he said he would. Now you can go back to being a homer, thanks!

Have you ever played? Do you know how the game works? Do you know how the game is going to work? I have been playing hockey for over 20 years and watching it for just as long. I know and have been through seasons of being terrible, not just early playoff exits. You just think you are entitled to a team that wins. Sorry buddy, it doesn't work that way.
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Posted 15 August 2005 - 12:50 PM

QUOTE (Heaton @ August 15, 2005 - 01:48PM)
People getting their panties in a bunch all because of a rumor? NO! that could never happen! Hey Barnes, I heard we traded Chelios for a feather pillow and Babcock is going to institute a no hitting rule for the team. We're gonna have a play nice policy.

biggrin.gif Typical Holland....





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