Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted August 15, 2005 (edited) For all Hockey Einstein's, Tesla's & Edison's: If there is no need in the new NHL for goons and tough players why they HAVE: Mighty Ducks of Anaheim: Fedoruk, Marshall Calgary Flames: Simon, Wiemer, McCarty Chicago Blackhawks: Lapointe, Cullimore, Barnaby, McCarthy, Vandermeer Colorado Avalanche: Blake, Laperriere, Boughner, May, Sauer, Hinote, McCormick Columbus Blue Jackets: Foote, Richardson, Wright, Klesla, Shelley, Westcott Edmonton Oilers: Pronger, Peca, Smith, Staios, Moreau, Laraque, Ulanov, Harvey Minnesota Wild: Mitchell, Nazarov, Henry, Ferguson Nashville Predators: Tootoo, Nichol, Allison, Stevenson, Hordichuk Phoenix Coyotes: O'Donnell, Ricci, Gauthier, Nash, Doull San Jose Sharks: Hannan, McLaren, Thornton, Davison, Parker St. Louis Blues: Salvador, Drake, Jackman, Low, Downey, Brewer Vancouver Canucks: Bertuzzi, Jovanovski, Brookbank, Bouck And this is only for the WESTERN conference... Edited August 15, 2005 by Dominator2005 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aheer22 0 Report post Posted August 15, 2005 How has this conversation gone strictly to the goons? thats people who have been around the game a long time like to talk about Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted August 15, 2005 thats the problem.. the wings brought him here to play defense on a Norris type level.. not drop the gloves.. hell if he could play d he might still be here You are not going to pay $6M / year for fighiting!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mutherpucker27 0 Report post Posted August 15, 2005 *stares slackjawed* Are you seriously trying to arguing that more than 10 of the guys on that list are GOONS? For god's sake man...we are not talking about bringing in Chris Pronger for 450k! We're talking about useless players who just fill in the 4th line and play 7-8 minutes a game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted August 15, 2005 *stares slackjawed* Are you seriously trying to arguing that more than 10 of the guys on that list are GOONS? For god's sake man...we are not talking about bringing in Chris Pronger for 450k! We're talking about useless players who just fill in the 4th line and play 7-8 minutes a game. Didn't you said that in the NEW NHL there is no need for this kind of players?!?! Then try to imagine what you said - You want Zetterberg and Datsyuk to start hitting... Hitting who??? Fedoruk, Shelley, Laraque??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted August 15, 2005 *stares slackjawed* Are you seriously trying to arguing that more than 10 of the guys on that list are GOONS? For god's sake man...we are not talking about bringing in Chris Pronger for 450k! We're talking about useless players who just fill in the 4th line and play 7-8 minutes a game. And there is at least 1 true heavyweight in all these teams... Sure... but we have Bootland and Shanahan and Chelios... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted August 15, 2005 ''We're talking about useless players who just fill in the 4th line and play 7-8 minutes a game.'' And you didn't want Gratton for 950k... LOGICAL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mutherpucker27 0 Report post Posted August 15, 2005 I said nothing about there being no need for those type of players. I said there's no need for a Sandy McCarthy or Brad Brown. There's no need for players who can't be trusted to step on the ice w/o giving up a scoring chance. Almost every player on your list can play actual hockey. To be honest, I'd rather trade for one of those guys than sign some of the names that have been thrown around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ToddDaGod 0 Report post Posted August 15, 2005 thats people who have been around the game a long time like to talk about I must agree. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mutherpucker27 0 Report post Posted August 15, 2005 Chris Gratton's a lazy *****. if we brought him in, we'd need to bring in someone else to protect him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted August 15, 2005 (edited) I said nothing about there being no need for those type of players. I said there's no need for a Sandy McCarthy or Brad Brown. There's no need for players who can't be trusted to step on the ice w/o giving up a scoring chance. Almost every player on your list can play actual hockey. To be honest, I'd rather trade for one of those guys than sign some of the names that have been thrown around. Hope you know that at least 70% of these kind of players were actually available but we didn't done nothing (beside giving Schneider $6.6M)... So there is no excuse... We have to do something that will put us in position to play against these kind of teams... There is no many ''great'' players left... Simpson, Brown, LaCouture could help us at least in getting bigger and tougher but not invincible. Edited August 15, 2005 by Dominator2005 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ToddDaGod 0 Report post Posted August 15, 2005 I said nothing about there being no need for those type of players. I said there's no need for a Sandy McCarthy or Brad Brown. There's no need for players who can't be trusted to step on the ice w/o giving up a scoring chance. Almost every player on your list can play actual hockey. To be honest, I'd rather trade for one of those guys than sign some of the names that have been thrown around. I think this thread has gotten a little outta control. Let me point out I'm not lobbying for Brown or McCarthy, but any player who can fight well. At this point, I don't care if they can skate, but given their job, it really doesn't depend on it too much. I woulda loved to see a skilled foward with some toughness, but that's out the window, so I'll settle with a goon or anybody who will contribute physically. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted August 15, 2005 I said nothing about there being no need for those type of players. I said there's no need for a Sandy McCarthy or Brad Brown. There's no need for players who can't be trusted to step on the ice w/o giving up a scoring chance. Almost every player on your list can play actual hockey. To be honest, I'd rather trade for one of those guys than sign some of the names that have been thrown around. I think this thread has gotten a little outta control. Let me point out I'm not lobbying for Brown or McCarthy, but any player who can fight well. At this point, I don't care if they can skate, but given their job, it really doesn't depend on it too much. I woulda loved to see a skilled foward with some toughness, but that's out the window, so I'll settle with a goon or anybody who will contribute physically. Same here!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barnes52 0 Report post Posted August 15, 2005 "I'd rather take a chance on him then a guy who couldn't find his own defensive zone with a GPS system." But you wanted Gratton? No, I agree w/ you in principle there, but I still prefer to build from w/i the organization than pick off free agent scalps. kocur: it'll deter some, and it'll encourage others. I think on the whole, it'll have a nil effect. And it isn't going to affect whether we win or lose games, either way. I didn't necessarily want Gratton, to me, it was the principle. He was worth a gamble for sub 1mm, IMHO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted August 15, 2005 (edited) "I'd rather take a chance on him then a guy who couldn't find his own defensive zone with a GPS system." But you wanted Gratton? No, I agree w/ you in principle there, but I still prefer to build from w/i the organization than pick off free agent scalps. kocur: it'll deter some, and it'll encourage others. I think on the whole, it'll have a nil effect. And it isn't going to affect whether we win or lose games, either way. I didn't necessarily want Gratton, to me, it was the principle. He was worth a gamble for sub 1mm, IMHO. When there is 4-5 (this kind of players that we need left) - Gratton was good solution!!!! Edited August 15, 2005 by Dominator2005 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ToddDaGod 0 Report post Posted August 15, 2005 Chris Gratton's a lazy *****. if we brought him in, we'd need to bring in someone else to protect him. He's a third liner at best, he needs no prection. He is pretty lazy, but in a 3rd line role he's a pretty good option. Depth foward with some toughness is all that his career will come to, and that's all we woulda expected outta him. He's nowhere near a enforcer or scoring foward. But that's another post altogethor. Then try to imagine what you said - You want Zetterberg and Datsyuk to start hitting... Hitting who??? Fedoruk, Shelley, Laraque??? Datsyuk can be shifty bastard. I remember him hitting Ference and tearing up his knee. He also layed somebody else out, don't remember who, but they weren't expecting it outta him. However, constant hitting will never be part of his game. If he tried to make it that way, he'd be injured constantly. Zetterberg I've never seen hit anybody. However, you really don't want a bunch of your top minute guys fighting and getting dirty. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kocur26_26 0 Report post Posted August 15, 2005 "I'd rather take a chance on him then a guy who couldn't find his own defensive zone with a GPS system." But you wanted Gratton? No, I agree w/ you in principle there, but I still prefer to build from w/i the organization than pick off free agent scalps. kocur: it'll deter some, and it'll encourage others. I think on the whole, it'll have a nil effect. And it isn't going to affect whether we win or lose games, either way. I didn't necessarily want Gratton, to me, it was the principle. He was worth a gamble for sub 1mm, IMHO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USAFWingedWheel 4 Report post Posted August 15, 2005 And there is at least 1 true heavyweight in all these teams... Sure... but we have Bootland and Shanahan and Chelios... bootland???-consistantly inconsistant shanny- maybe 6 yrs ago... chelios- he'll get knocked straight into a retirement house ...we don't have anyone that stands out as being a though guy, mac had the presence but it was slowly fadeing...all people remembered about him was march 26 1997 and thats what intimidated those that still rememberd... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted August 15, 2005 And there is at least 1 true heavyweight in all these teams... Sure... but we have Bootland and Shanahan and Chelios... bootland???-consistantly inconsistant shanny- maybe 6 yrs ago... chelios- he'll get knocked straight into a retirement house ...we don't have anyone that stands out as being a though guy, mac had the presence but it was slowly fadeing...all people remembered about him was march 26 1997 and thats what intimidated those that still rememberd... It was sarcasm... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted August 15, 2005 He's a third liner at best, he needs no prection. He is pretty lazy, but in a 3rd line role he's a pretty good option. Depth foward with some toughness is all that his career will come to, and that's all we woulda expected outta him. He's nowhere near a enforcer or scoring foward. But that's another post altogethor. Datsyuk can be shifty bastard. I remember him hitting Ference and tearing up his knee. He also layed somebody else out, don't remember who, but they weren't expecting it outta him. However, constant hitting will never be part of his game. If he tried to make it that way, he'd be injured constantly. Zetterberg I've never seen hit anybody. However, you really don't want a bunch of your top minute guys fighting and getting dirty. I don't want Datsyuk and Zetterberg start playing this kind of game... There a too small and they will get injured... If we had a big guys like Trent Hunter it would be another story. That's why I said we HAVE TO pick up someone who will do dirty jos for them... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USAFWingedWheel 4 Report post Posted August 15, 2005 And there is at least 1 true heavyweight in all these teams... Sure... but we have Bootland and Shanahan and Chelios... bootland???-consistantly inconsistant shanny- maybe 6 yrs ago... chelios- he'll get knocked straight into a retirement house ...we don't have anyone that stands out as being a though guy, mac had the presence but it was slowly fadeing...all people remembered about him was march 26 1997 and thats what intimidated those that still rememberd... It was sarcasm... i realized it when it was too late Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ToddDaGod 0 Report post Posted August 15, 2005 I don't want Datsyuk and Zetterberg start playing this kind of game... There a too small and they will get injured... If we had a big guys like Trent Hunter it would be another story. That's why I said we HAVE TO pick up someone who will do dirty jos for them... Yeah, It sounded good in my head, but didn't tranfer to the keyboard well. I was agreeing that there's no way either will ever be physical. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USAFWingedWheel 4 Report post Posted August 15, 2005 why don't we just post bail for probert and put him back on ice...he'll sign for room and board.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted August 15, 2005 why don't we just post bail for probert and put him back on ice...he'll sign for room and board.... ...and a free beer (bonus for signing)... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ToddDaGod 0 Report post Posted August 15, 2005 why don't we just post bail for probert and put him back on ice...he'll sign for room and board.... lol, that would be fantastic. Hell, it would probably be good for him, there aren't any police offers to fight on the ice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
