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#1 hckypete96

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Posted 22 February 2007 - 04:12 PM

Look it's no secret that we only have one line, and we all want Kenny to do something at the deadline. If he does not make a trade, then I think we definiatly need to shuffle up the lines. Obv keep Z, Dats, Homer together on first line, but why not give huds and flip a shot on the 2nd line? The 2nd line has been god awful lately, and williams sucks ballls. Put flip and hud together on the 2nd line... they have chemistry and they always make something happen out there. Currently, Hudler avg's 8:27 TOI and Flip 9:58. William's avg 14:28 TOIand if we put him down on fourth line, that could either get him to play harder, or we get to see less of him turning the puck over. If it was up to me, this is how I would mess with the lines right now.

Homer Z Dats
Flip Lang Hudler
Fraz Drapes Cleary
Langfeld Willy Malts

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Posted 22 February 2007 - 04:15 PM

Sometimes it's harder to see who plays well when you're sitting at home. I wouldn't have agreed with your proposal unless I was at the game last night. After our first line, the best line was the kids. They actually hustled (cough Lang dry.gif ) and had some good chances. I'm all for it. Git `er done.


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Posted 22 February 2007 - 04:22 PM

QUOTE(hckypete96 @ February 22, 2007 - 04:12PM) View Post

Look it's no secret that we only have one line, and we all want Kenny to do something at the deadline. If he does not make a trade, then I think we definiatly need to shuffle up the lines. Obv keep Z, Dats, Homer together on first line, but why not give huds and flip a shot on the 2nd line? The 2nd line has been god awful lately, and williams sucks ballls. Put flip and hud together on the 2nd line... they have chemistry and they always make something happen out there. Currently, Hudler avg's 8:27 TOI and Flip 9:58. William's avg 14:28 TOIand if we put him down on fourth line, that could either get him to play harder, or we get to see less of him turning the puck over. If it was up to me, this is how I would mess with the lines right now.

Homer Z Dats
Flip Lang Hudler
Fraz Drapes Cleary
Langfeld Willy Malts

what do you guys think?


While I am not overly impressed with Hudler, I think it'd be worth a try and mix things up. Babs has tried a couple times with Flip, Cleary, and Lang on a line and it went will for the short while it lasted. On that note, I think a Drapes, Franzen, Cleary line makes the most sense. Clearly likes to play at the boards and work hard and Lang isn't really all about that. So basically yea-try a Flip, Lang, Huddles line and see how it goes. We need someone else to contribute other than Hank (and his linemates).


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Posted 22 February 2007 - 04:23 PM

QUOTE(hckypete96 @ February 22, 2007 - 04:12PM) View Post

Look it's no secret that we only have one line, and we all want Kenny to do something at the deadline. If he does not make a trade, then I think we definiatly need to shuffle up the lines. Obv keep Z, Dats, Homer together on first line, but why not give huds and flip a shot on the 2nd line? The 2nd line has been god awful lately, and williams sucks ballls. Put flip and hud together on the 2nd line... they have chemistry and they always make something happen out there. Currently, Hudler avg's 8:27 TOI and Flip 9:58. William's avg 14:28 TOIand if we put him down on fourth line, that could either get him to play harder, or we get to see less of him turning the puck over. If it was up to me, this is how I would mess with the lines right now.

Homer Z Dats
Flip Lang Hudler
Fraz Drapes Cleary
Langfeld Willy Malts

what do you guys think?



if i'm not mistaken, it's lang who is stinking up the joint. so why reward him and drop cleary. maybe find a new center for cleary and his second linemate (williams, flip or rex). this won't happen, but don't make cleary pay for langs troubles.

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Posted 22 February 2007 - 04:24 PM

thats what i'm saying schneids... give it a shot. its not like they'd do any worse than willy is doing now you know?
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Posted 22 February 2007 - 05:05 PM

QUOTE(Schneids_is_awesome @ February 22, 2007 - 05:22PM) View Post

While I am not overly impressed with Hudler, I think it'd be worth a try and mix things up. Babs has tried a couple times with Flip, Cleary, and Lang on a line and it went will for the short while it lasted. On that note, I think a Drapes, Franzen, Cleary line makes the most sense. Clearly likes to play at the boards and work hard and Lang isn't really all about that. So basically yea-try a Flip, Lang, Huddles line and see how it goes. We need someone else to contribute other than Hank (and his linemates).



Why doesn't he? He plays the least out of all the wings rookies and LEADS them in scoring. Has nine goals, 2 GWG, twice as many goals as Flip (even though he's awesome- I'm not saying Flip's worse then Huds, so don't jump down my throat) a 14.1 Pct, +7 (despite being on the line that's probably the second most likely to get reamed).

As for the line- well Huds is a centre, so I'd say:

Flip Huds Cleary
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Posted 22 February 2007 - 05:09 PM

I agree with you. I think that the young guns need a chance to play with a good experinced center who will be a mentor for them. I think they are going to be big time scorers when they get more chances to be on the ice. I also think that it could help out rejuvinate Langer a little bit like when you had Z and Dats playing Hull.

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Posted 22 February 2007 - 05:24 PM

Wouldn't it be better to tinker with the lines sooner rather than later, it could only help considering the playoffs.
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Posted 22 February 2007 - 05:25 PM

Justf****** waive williams already, free up some salary and move Huds to the 2nd line. I suspect the 2 czechs will have some chemistry.
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Posted 22 February 2007 - 05:29 PM

QUOTE(hckypete96 @ February 22, 2007 - 02:12PM) View Post

Look it's no secret that we only have one line, and we all want Kenny to do something at the deadline. If he does not make a trade, then I think we definiatly need to shuffle up the lines. Obv keep Z, Dats, Homer together on first line, but why not give huds and flip a shot on the 2nd line? The 2nd line has been god awful lately, and williams sucks ballls. Put flip and hud together on the 2nd line... they have chemistry and they always make something happen out there. Currently, Hudler avg's 8:27 TOI and Flip 9:58. William's avg 14:28 TOIand if we put him down on fourth line, that could either get him to play harder, or we get to see less of him turning the puck over. If it was up to me, this is how I would mess with the lines right now.

Homer Z Dats
Flip Lang Hudler
Fraz Drapes Cleary
Langfeld Willy Malts

what do you guys think?


The annihilation of our second line's production stems from Lang's slump and from Williams` general uselessness this year.

Cleary has proven himself, but he can't do anything without a set-up man. When Lang was on, Cleary produced. Lang has sucked lately, so Cleary can't get much done. Needless to say, having somebody as clumsy and offensively unaware as Williams does not help either.

QUOTE(shannyfan1414 @ February 22, 2007 - 03:09PM) View Post

I agree with you. I think that the young guns need a chance to play with a good experinced center who will be a mentor for them. I think they are going to be big time scorers when they get more chances to be on the ice. I also think that it could help out rejuvinate Langer a little bit like when you had Z and Dats playing Hull.


Rejuvenation implies that a change of circumstances from one that did not work to one that does. Lang and Cleary produced massively earlier in the season. Lang is in a slump. Moving him around will not help. On top of that, for all his experience, Lang presently sucks ass.

QUOTE(Drake_Marcus @ February 22, 2007 - 03:05PM) View Post

Why doesn't he? He plays the least out of all the wings rookies and LEADS them in scoring. Has nine goals, 2 GWG, twice as many goals as Flip (even though he's awesome- I'm not saying Flip's worse then Huds, so don't jump down my throat) a 14.1 Pct, +7 (despite being on the line that's probably the second most likely to get reamed).

As for the line- well Huds is a centre, so I'd say:

Flip Huds Cleary


As usual, I agree with you. This is exactly what I would do. Let Lang play on a line with Langfeld and Williams.

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Posted 22 February 2007 - 05:29 PM

I've been wishing for this for a long time. I'd love to see Flip and Huds on the 2nd line. My initial thought was Cleary-Flip-Huds, but I agree that the experience of Lang in a Flip-Lang-Huds line would also be nice. Especially since moving Lang to the 4th line would pretty much be giving up on him... like when the Yankees moved A-Rod to 8th in the batting order against the Tigers... he'd probably end up playing worse.

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Posted 22 February 2007 - 05:31 PM

QUOTE(Schneids_is_awesome @ February 22, 2007 - 02:22PM) View Post

While I am not overly impressed with Hudler, I think it'd be worth a try and mix things up. Babs has tried a couple times with Flip, Cleary, and Lang on a line and it went will for the short while it lasted. On that note, I think a Drapes, Franzen, Cleary line makes the most sense. Clearly likes to play at the boards and work hard and Lang isn't really all about that. So basically yea-try a Flip, Lang, Huddles line and see how it goes. We need someone else to contribute other than Hank (and his linemates).


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QUOTE(YzermanForever @ February 22, 2007 - 03:29PM) View Post

I've been wishing for this for a long time. I'd love to see Flip and Huds on the 2nd line. My initial thought was Cleary-Flip-Huds, but I agree that the experience of Lang in a Flip-Lang-Huds line would also be nice. Especially since moving Lang to the 4th line would pretty much be giving up on him... like when the Yankees moved A-Rod to 8th in the batting order against the Tigers... he'd probably end up playing worse.


I fail to see how Lang could possibly play any worse than he has been playing lately. He doesn't produce, he turns the puck over, and he still refuses to skate or hit.

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Posted 22 February 2007 - 06:13 PM

QUOTE(Crymson @ February 22, 2007 - 05:31PM) View Post

I fail to see how Lang could possibly play any worse than he has been playing lately. He doesn't produce, he turns the puck over, and he still refuses to skate or hit.

You're probably right about that. But don't we want him to start playing better? I think bumping him to the 4th line and basically giving up on him would probably be worse for him than switching up his linemates. Who knows, he may start clicking with the kids and play well. If not, we're not really any worse off.

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Posted 22 February 2007 - 06:25 PM

QUOTE(YzermanForever @ February 22, 2007 - 04:13PM) View Post

You're probably right about that. But don't we want him to start playing better? I think bumping him to the 4th line and basically giving up him would probably be worse for him than switching up his linemates. Who knows, he may start clicking with the kids and play well. If not, we're not really any worse off.


We're also not any worse off if we drop him to the 4th line. Reprimand occasionally brings on improve performance. Wake up-call, so to speak.

Edit: Meanwhile, if we put the kids with Cleary, we might see results. In that case, having put them with Lang would have cost us.

Edited by Crymson, 22 February 2007 - 06:26 PM.


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Posted 22 February 2007 - 06:35 PM

QUOTE(Drake_Marcus @ February 22, 2007 - 05:05PM) View Post

Why doesn't he? He plays the least out of all the wings rookies and LEADS them in scoring. Has nine goals, 2 GWG, twice as many goals as Flip (even though he's awesome- I'm not saying Flip's worse then Huds, so don't jump down my throat) a 14.1 Pct, +7 (despite being on the line that's probably the second most likely to get reamed).

As for the line- well Huds is a centre, so I'd say:

Flip Huds Cleary


Thats for the 2nd line?! blink.gif An inexperienced, unproven line like that could NEVER be relied on as your 2nd unit, especially in the playoffs. They'd get shutdown.
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Posted 22 February 2007 - 06:42 PM

QUOTE(Lou_Siffer @ February 22, 2007 - 04:35PM) View Post

Thats for the 2nd line?! blink.gif An inexperienced, unproven line like that could NEVER be relied on as your 2nd unit, especially in the playoffs. They'd get shutdown.


Do you think that our current 2nd line can currently be relied upon in the playoffs? It couldn't possibly get worse.

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Posted 22 February 2007 - 06:50 PM

QUOTE(Crymson @ February 22, 2007 - 07:42PM) View Post

Do you think that our current 2nd line can currently be relied upon in the playoffs? It couldn't possibly get worse.



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Posted 22 February 2007 - 06:52 PM

QUOTE(Crymson @ February 22, 2007 - 06:42PM) View Post

Do you think that our current 2nd line can currently be relied upon in the playoffs? It couldn't possibly get worse.


No, however the suggested line would be way worse. Two rookies (and keep in mind these are not stand-out rooks) along with a guy who's POSSIBLY just had a fluke year to this point together as your 2nd? A line that needs to be relied on heavily as teams key Zetterberg/Datsyuk? Totally out of the question i think. Obviously someone desperately needs to be acquired and paired with Lang (Guerin). He is the only option for 2nd line center at this point, unless you break up the top line. Or if another center is traded for...

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Posted 22 February 2007 - 07:01 PM

QUOTE(Crymson @ February 22, 2007 - 05:42PM) View Post

Do you think that our current 2nd line can currently be relied upon in the playoffs? It couldn't possibly get worse.


I see what you are saying but trust me, IT CAN ALWAYS GET WORSE.
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Posted 22 February 2007 - 07:04 PM

QUOTE(Lou_Siffer @ February 22, 2007 - 04:52PM) View Post

No, however the suggested line would be way worse. Two rookies (and keep in mind these are not stand-out rooks) along with a guy who's POSSIBLY just had a fluke year to this point together as your 2nd? A line that needs to be relied on heavily as teams key Zetterberg/Datsyuk? Totally out of the question i think. Obviously someone desperately needs to be acquired and paired with Lang (Guerin). He is the only option for 2nd line center at this point, unless you break up the top line. Or if another center is traded for...


I speak of if we cannot gain anyone before the trade deadline.

Salviaman--the line produces nothing. It hence cannot get worse. Whether they are the 2nd or the 4th line is irrelevant.





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