Wings to focus on Datsyuk

[sibiriak 84]

The point is that it is an ultimatum; either they would plan on dealing him if he turned in a potentially bad playoff performance or they wouldn't. What precedent is there for management doing that? They would never sign and deal a guy like that right away.

The sign and trade is frowned upon, but it does happen. I can't think of who just now, but wasn't some big name signed and traded just this season?

[Pskov Wings Fan 71]

He even said Columbus goalie Pascal Leclaire, while on IR, whould be traded to Minnesota.

This one just plain dumb. Wild has 3 good goalies already. He should at least try to come up with stuff, which makes some sense. On the other hand, Datsyuk to Washington makes sense from hockey perspective (they really need a center, which can play with Ovechkin).

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

The sign and trade is frowned upon, but it does happen. I can't think of who just now, but wasn't some big name signed and traded just this season?

Beats me. It's not Detroit's style, is what I'm saying.

Anyways, I think Pavel will be trying to get all he can (as well he should); that seems to be standard fare, setting yourself up in case you get hurt doesn't look like the norm to me around the league, but it's case by case. If we could sign him and then deal him for anything--could be a 7th rounder, doesn't matter--that would be great, but I don't see it materializing.

[motorcitykid 42]

Way to cherry pick. You're essentially talking about the years Steve was an old man, injured, or both. It's awfully easy to gloss over his Conn Smythe worthy 2002 run, as well.

And he was regularly lambasted for it. There was a reason people wanted him gone after last season's playoff no-show, and that's because it was becoming a habit for him.

Yup, let's knock Stevie, with his pathetic point a game stats in the playoffs.

As for Shanny, who wanted him back, OVERPAYED as Holland was about to make him, after his last few playoff showings?

As I recall those people were few and far between.

What IS he talking about?

I can't believe he just tried proving his point by bringing up Shanahan & Yzerman's name. WOW.

Edited March 16, 2007 by motorcitykid

[Kp-Wings 3]

How much was Shanahan offered by the Wings? Just wondering.

[gbdet 0]

Yup, let's knock Stevie, with his pathetic point a game stats in the playoffs.

As for Shanny, who wanted him back, OVERPAYED as Holland was about to make him, after his last few playoff showings?

As I recall those people were few and far between.

What IS he talking about?

I can't believe he just tried proving his point by bringing up Shanahan & Yzerman's name. WOW.

9goals... in Yzerman's last 51 playoff games... including 2002... so thats knocking him by quoting his stats???

I'm not making them up, they are what they are.

Now when you say Shanny is Overpaid at 4 million... I would consider that to be knocking him... but thats fine, Shanny sucks, Datsyuk sucks, I mean if they aren't as good as Yzerman and can't carry a team all by themself they must be worthless and overpaid.

I can't believe you just tried to prove your point by bringing up goal scoring stats for a guy who is NOT A GOAL SCORER

Edited March 16, 2007 by gbdet

[Kp-Wings 3]

9goals... in Yzerman's last 51 playoff games... including 2002... so thats knocking him by quoting his stats???

I'm not making them up, they are what they are.

This coming at a time when Steve had a lot of injury problems and was beginning to age quite fast. And being that he basically played the 2002 series on one leg, that is a horrible comparison. His point totals in the playoffs were very good before all that, so stop.

And this thing you say of Datsyuk not being a goal scorer: Generally he is used on this team to put up points. Babcock doesn't put him out there to check people or fight. He puts him out there to put up points. But he hasn't been doing that, yet this is ok with you. It's not just goals. His assist totals in the playoffs haven't exactly been dynamite either. But yet, this is all ok with you that a player who is supposed to put up points is not, yet we should not come down on him at all. Strange logic really.

And I'm going to state off the record that you were knocking Steve just by bringing him into the subject.

[Swimming with the Sharks 0]

The sign and trade is frowned upon, but it does happen. I can't think of who just now, but wasn't some big name signed and traded just this season?

Andrew Ference comes to mind.

[gbdet 0]

This coming at a time when Steve had a lot of injury problems and was beginning to age quite fast. And being that he basically played the 2002 series on one leg, that is a horrible comparison. His point totals in the playoffs were very good before all that, so stop.

And this thing you say of Datsyuk not being a goal scorer: Generally he is used on this team to put up points. Babcock doesn't put him out there to check people or fight. He puts him out there to put up points. But he hasn't been doing that, yet this is ok with you. It's not just goals. His assist totals in the playoffs haven't exactly been dynamite either. But yet, this is all ok with you that a player who is supposed to put up points is not, yet we should not come down on him at all. Strange logic really.

And I'm going to state off the record that you were knocking Steve just by bringing him into the subject.

I'm NOT knocking Yzerman... Anyone who has ever followed the wings knows what he means/brings to this team... And I do know that he was on the dowswing of his career yet he still carried the team on his back. All I was pointing out was lots of times you can make the stats look however you want them too... i.e Datsyuk's goal production, because in all honesty he really isn't a goal scorer, he sets up goals. And you can't honestly say that all he brings to this team is points because he is a hell of defensive player as well as penalty killer and more.

What I am sick of is people bitching constantly... i.e... Holland is a moron, Shanny sucks, Datsyuk is worthless, we shouldn't resign him, we should have got luongo,etc,etc , always complaining about something. We have had a great team for a long time... and I'm glad that I appreciate it instead of always picking the negative crap and whining about it.

[motorcitykid 42]

How much was Shanahan offered by the Wings? Just wondering.

Considering what prices were thrown around in the summer, pretty close to that 4 mill.

And make no mistake, Brendan was looking for a new challenge or Holland would've easily overpayed for him.

Now when you say Shanny is Overpaid at 4 million... I would consider that to be knocking him.

I can't believe you just tried to prove your point by bringing up goal scoring stats for a guy who is NOT A GOAL SCORER

I meant bringing him back HERE at that price.

But OK, I digress. Let's say Brendan is worth 4 million. How do you figure Pavel is worth 6 or 7?

12 assists. 42 playoff games.

Unless some of us missed something here, exactly what else is Pavel being paid to do?

Edited March 16, 2007 by motorcitykid

[datsyukismyfriend 4]

Considering what he started with, it's no stretch to say close to 4.

Make no mistake, Brendan was looking for a new challenge or Holland would've overpayed for him last summer.

Let's say Brendan is worth 4 million. How is Pavel worth 6-7?

12 assists. 42 playoff games.

Unless some of us missed something here, exactly what else is Pavel being paid to do?

the first year that dats was really expected to carry the offense was last year. he had 3 points in 5 games. that's not bad, and he was injured. this team as a whole has been terrible come playoff time in the scoring department. that's because this has been an old team with little fire left and we're coming up against younger faster stronger teams playing balls to the wall. it's not datsyuk's fault. it's a team game. i feel this years team is built better for a playoff run. we're playing with more grit than we have in the pas three seasons, and we have some youth and size and hunger that was lacking in previous playoffs. let's see what happens this year.

[toby91_ca 620]

3 assists in 5 games is not bad for a $1 million player, it's terrible for a $7 million player.

I think the issue most people has is that they are only willing to pay hiim so much. We want him if he is making "x" dollars, but if he wants "x" maybe we let him walk. That's the general thoughts I get from most.

It's not that people think he sucks (though you'll get the odd person that says that with no logic).

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

3 assists in 5 games is not bad for a $1 million player, it's terrible for a $7 million player.

I think the issue most people has is that they are only willing to pay hiim so much. We want him if he is making "x" dollars, but if he wants "x" maybe we let him walk. That's the general thoughts I get from most.

It's not that people think he sucks (though you'll get the odd person that says that with no logic).

Exactly. I don't think any reasonable hockey fan would say Datsyuk sucks. But he's asking for big time money, and he hasn't put up big time numbers in the postseason.

And the Yzerman comparisons are ridiculous. The major difference being Stevie had proven year after year he could score in the playoffs. Datsyuk hasn't done that yet.

The funny thing is, even when Stevie was producing in the postseason, people were still questioning his abilities in spite of his performance. Thinking maybe he just doesn't have what it takes to win it all.

It's tough to be one of the teams leaders. That's why they get the big money. They have big expectations placed upon them. To date, Datsyuk has not performed up to expectations in the postseason. To claim otherwise is kidding yourself.

[datsyukismyfriend 4]

3 assists in 5 games is not bad for a $1 million player, it's terrible for a $7 million player.

I think the issue most people has is that they are only willing to pay hiim so much. We want him if he is making "x" dollars, but if he wants "x" maybe we let him walk. That's the general thoughts I get from most.

It's not that people think he sucks (though you'll get the odd person that says that with no logic).

first of all, he wasn't making 7 million when he got 3 points in 5 games. second of all, it's not terrible. .6 points a game isn't bad when injured and having to drain your leg after each game. i'm not saying datsyuk will definitely produce in the playoffs this year. i'm just saying, reserve judgement, he hasn't had a real chance yet with a team that is built for a playoff run.

[motorcitykid 42]

Exactly. I don't think any reasonable hockey fan would say Datsyuk sucks. But he's asking for big time money, and he hasn't put up big time numbers in the postseason.

It's tough to be one of the teams leaders. That's why they get the big money. They have big expectations placed upon them. To date, Datsyuk has not performed up to expectations in the postseason. To claim otherwise is kidding yourself.

first of all, he wasn't making 7 million when he got 3 points in 5 games. second of all, it's not terrible. .6 points a game isn't bad when injured and having to drain your leg after each game. i'm not saying datsyuk will definitely produce in the playoffs this year. i'm just saying, reserve judgement, he hasn't had a real chance yet with a team that is built for a playoff run.

I wish someone could explain the word "patience" to Holland then, cuz he's about to sign Pavel to big-time money.

A smart GM, especially knowing Pavel's history, would wait until after the playoffs before determining his true worth to this franchise. We're talking 6-7 million dollars! There is zero reason in rushing a deal, unless your his agent. Of course he'd be in a hurry to get this deal done BEFORE the playoffs, knowing what another dismal showing will do to his client's stock.

Edited March 16, 2007 by motorcitykid

[datsyukismyfriend 4]

I wish someone could explain the word "patience" to Holland then, cuz he's about to sign Pavel to big-time money.

A smart GM, especially knowing Pavel's history, would wait until after the playoffs before determining his true worth to this franchise. We're talking 6-7 million dollars! There is zero reason in rushing a deal, unless your his agent. Of course he'd be in a hurry to get this deal done BEFORE the playoffs, knowing what another dismal showing will do to his client's stock.

well, obviously the gamble is that we could potentially sign him for less now, especially if he has a good playoffs (and he has had in russia, so it's not as if he's not capable). but come summer when team's are bidding for him his price will go up. it's all a question of what holland can get him for now. if holland can swing 5.5, then i think it's a good deal. i know reports are between 6 and 7, but they seem unsubstantiated. if it is indeed between 6 and 7, then i'm with most of you, i don't believe he's quite done enough to warrant that kind of dough. but we don't know. he's been better than a point per game player for the last two seasons and is sound defensively and a capable pk'er. the only playoffs where he was really expected to step up i don't feel he did that poorly, all things considered. i think he's worth 5.5. let's just wait and see what happens. i'd hate to lose this guy. he's a big part of this team and this team's success in the last few years (in the regular season ) and other than that he's just damn exciting to watch :!: