Hartnell claims first victim

[redwingfan19 293]

So I guess Hartnell is the new Nhl's version of Ulf Sammuelson

[ultrapail 0]

what goes around, comes around

he'll get his

[Inultus 12]

We aren't the only ones bringing this stuff up anyway.

http://boards.chicagoblackhawks.com/forums...showtopic=15070

I'm sure if St. Louis or Columbus had decent forums they would be saying the same thing (I'm looking at division teams b/c they are the most likely to pay attention to this stuff).

Chelios plays a gritty style and he was considered a dirty player when he came to the Wings, but I can't remember him EVER sending someone off on a stretcher while with the Wings.

[Wings_Rule_1010 4]

It just so happens that it destroyed the Sharks top star's knee, it just so happens the elbow got up and knocked out a tooth or two, it just so happens it's the first game of a playoff series, it just so happens the puck had left the area a couple of seconds ago, and it just so happens the guy doing it has a certain reputation for dirty plays....

...but I'm sure it wasn't intentional - it's just a lot of coincidences!

Well said there

[arin 0]

Bert is a felon.. Bert is a goon... Bert is a liar... Bert killed my dog...

Seriously, when is this going to stop.

Be careful throwing words like "unintentional" around with the Moore incident. Ask Bert if he meant to break his neck. Accidents happen. But when they happen all the time and the same player seems to be involved, intentions are called into question.

Edited for clarity.

What are you talking about? You bolded unintentional, which I was talking about Hartnell's knee-on-knee. I wasnt throwing any unintentional around the Moore incident.

EDIT: Also, I didnt say ANYTHING about the elbow being unintentional. But, Cheli probably throws 30 elbows a period - who cares.

Edited April 12, 2007 by arin

[Kp-Wings 3]

glad to see that the redwing homers are getting so worked up that they're lumping Hartnell into the useless category. he's a 20-25 goal guy every season. +19 this season. but yeah, I guess he's just another in a long line of Preds worthless goons who has a list of injury victims longer than the great wall of china.

Thanks pal. Nice to see your in a good mood as usual.

Maybe I should have re-itterated that he's not as useless as some, because Hartnell can score goals. But how does that make me a homer for not liking him? Doesn't it make you a homer because you defend Jordin Tootoo and actually think he's a good hockey player? I'd like to see fans from a different team actually defend Tootoo. It won't happen, because only you Nashville fans think he's a good player.

Edit: I'm also curios to know why you only called me out and not anyone else. I don't see anyone else here throwing Hartnell free greeting cards or anything like that, so don't act like I'm the only saying anything.

Edited April 12, 2007 by Kp-Wings

[regwinguofmfan 0]

We shall see how Preds fans like it when sissy boy Paul Kariya gets hit and cant play for 2 years.

Like the last time someone tagged him.

Then we will have to hear about cheap shots etc from them.

Hartnell is a sack of chit, and a cheapshot artist.

One of these times Queen Kariya will be the target after one of his cheap shots, karma is a *****.

We shall see how Preds fans like it when sissy boy Paul Kariya gets hit and cant play for 2 years.

Like the last time someone tagged him.

Then we will have to hear about cheap shots etc from them.

Hartnell is a sack of chit, and a cheapshot artist.

One of these times Queen Kariya will be the target after one of his cheap shots, karma is a *****.

[arin 0]

Thanks pal. Nice to see your in a good mood as usual.

Maybe I should have re-itterated that he's not as useless as some, because Hartnell can score goals. But how does that make me a homer for not liking him? Doesn't it make you a homer because you defend Jordin Tootoo and actually think he's a good hockey player? I'd like to see fans from a different team actually defend Tootoo. It won't happen, because only you Nashville fans think he's a good player.

Edit: I'm also curios to know why you only called me out and not anyone else. I don't see anyone else here throwing Hartnell free greeting cards or anything like that, so don't act like I'm the only saying anything.

I'd take Tootoo any day of the week over Maltby as an 'aggitator'. He hits everything, he's got loads of energy, he fights, he draws penalties. He drew like 3 penalties last game against the Wings when Schneider and everyone kept running him. What does Maltby do?

Edited April 12, 2007 by arin

[Legionnaire11 0]

Edit: I'm also curios to know why you only called me out and not anyone else. I don't see anyone else here throwing Hartnell free greeting cards or anything like that, so don't act like I'm the only saying anything.

was more of a response to everyone. I try not to single anyone out, but sometimes i'll use a quote from a specific person to summarize what a lot of people are saying.

[Wings_Dynasty 267]

I'd take Tootoo any day of the week over Maltby as an 'aggitator'. He hits everything, he's got loads of energy, he fights, he draws penalties. He drew like 3 penalties last game against the Wings when Schneider and everyone kept running him. What does Maltby do?

Kills penalties.

Name an offensive or defensive upside for Tootoo.

What are you talking about? You bolded unintentional, which I was talking about Hartnell's knee-on-knee. I wasnt throwing any unintentional around the Moore incident.

EDIT: Also, I didnt say ANYTHING about the elbow being unintentional. But, Cheli probably throws 30 elbows a period - who cares.

You said Bert did something way worse. But his was unintentional and is his only blemish on his record. Hartnell is another story, and unintentional doesn't come up a whole lot with Hartnell and his injuries.

[Guest Don Corleone]

I don't know if it was intentional but he got 5 and a game for kneeing Cheechoo.

Good news is Sharks have a 5 min PP and Hartnell is gone. Bad news is Cheechoo had to be helped off.

I bet if you checked Vegas odds the preds would be the favorite to injure the most opposing players.

We all know what we think of Hartnell and this knee is just another example of why we don't like him.

Still, the replay didn't look that bad, i mean it wasn't a Bryan Marchment knee, so I wonder if Hartnell's rep is starting to catch up to him, no?

Put him and Hordichuk and Tootoo in the same class. Typical Nashville.

[ProudestMonkey 0]

We shall see how Preds fans like it when sissy boy Paul Kariya gets hit and cant play for 2 years.

Like the last time someone tagged him.

Then we will have to hear about cheap shots etc from them.

Hartnell is a sack of chit, and a cheapshot artist.

One of these times Queen Kariya will be the target after one of his cheap shots, karma is a *****.

We shall see how Preds fans like it when sissy boy Paul Kariya gets hit and cant play for 2 years.

Like the last time someone tagged him.

Then we will have to hear about cheap shots etc from them.

Hartnell is a sack of chit, and a cheapshot artist.

One of these times Queen Kariya will be the target after one of his cheap shots, karma is a *****.

Is there an echo in here?

I really don't think Hartnell was trying to cheap shot Cheechoo. He was going for a big hit (in a game that was full of them from both sides) and Cheechoo sidestepped him. Unfortunately their knees collided...

It would really be unfortunate if this series turned into a series of retaliation. Because the moment people start going after Kariya, either Weber, Hordichuk, or Tootoo will be putting a fist-sized hole in their face.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Is there an echo in here?

I really don't think Hartnell was trying to cheap shot Cheechoo. He was going for a big hit (in a game that was full of them from both sides) and Cheechoo sidestepped him. Unfortunately their knees collided...

It would really be unfortunate if this series turned into a series of retaliation. Because the moment people start going after Kariya, either Weber, Hordichuk, or Tootoo will be putting a fist-sized hole in their face.

Did Cheechoo's tooth jump out of his mouth?

Maybe the knee on knee wasn't intentional, but it's hard to believe the knee and the elbow were both just unfortunate accidents from Hartnell.

[SoupGuru 0]

He was going for a big hit (in a game that was full of them from both sides) and Cheechoo sidestepped him.

Man, Cheechoo sidestepped him and still got an elbow in the mouth! Imagine what would have happened if he didn't sidestep and took the hit like a good little munchkin!

[Wings_Dynasty 267]

Is there an echo in here?

I really don't think Hartnell was trying to cheap shot Cheechoo. He was going for a big hit (in a game that was full of them from both sides) and Cheechoo sidestepped him. Unfortunately their knees collided...

It would really be unfortunate if this series turned into a series of retaliation. Because the moment people start going after Kariya, either Weber, Hordichuk, or Tootoo will be putting a fist-sized hole in their face.

Don't we think highly of our pseudo-tough guys. The Sharks are bigger, stronger, and faster than the Preds. And hopefully it will turn into a pushing contest, beat the hell out of each other for 7 games.

Prediction: the Pred that goes down in game 2 (besides Fartnell) is Erat.

[bringback91 2]

Is there an echo in here?

I really don't think Hartnell was trying to cheap shot Cheechoo. He was going for a big hit (in a game that was full of them from both sides) and Cheechoo sidestepped him. Unfortunately their knees collided...

It would really be unfortunate if this series turned into a series of retaliation. Because the moment people start going after Kariya, either Weber, Hordichuk, or Tootoo will be putting a fist-sized hole in their face.

Remember what happened last time Weber decided he was going to try to put a "fist size" hole in someones face? I don't think it would be unfortunate for some retaliation. What Nashville can dish it out but can't take it?

[hillbillywingsfan 794]

how many here have actually seen the play? If you have seen it, and don't think that Cheechoo ducked and dragged his back leg which led to the knee on knee, then you just can't make a clear judgemental call.

He was obviously going to lay cheechoo out, but to say he went in there looking for an intentional knee on knee hit is stupid.

glad to see that the redwing homers are getting so worked up that they're lumping Hartnell into the useless category. he's a 20-25 goal guy every season. +19 this season. but yeah, I guess he's just another in a long line of Preds worthless goons who has a list of injury victims longer than the great wall of china.

ok..maybe he was going in for just a check but it still was a knee on knee hit...hartnell should have had better control then that. specially on a person like cheechoo. and to have a person like hartnell that is known for it...i tent to believe it was what he was going in to do more then a clean hit. but who knows..the only one that knows is hartnell. and he needs to be ready to get hit back.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Did Cheechoo's tooth jump out of his mouth?

Maybe the knee on knee wasn't intentional, but it's hard to believe the knee and the elbow were both just unfortunate accidents from Hartnell.

This sums up my argument from a page ago. While some Nashville players are getting a bad rep around the league, its questionable plays like these that people get outraged from simply due to the fact that there has been a history of similar incidents. On this particular play, I feel the knee-on-knee was unintentional, but the elbow was most certainly not.

ok..maybe he was going in for just a check but it still was a knee on knee hit...hartnell should have had better control then that. specially on a person like cheechoo. and to have a person like hartnell that is known for it...i tent to believe it was what he was going in to do more then a clean hit. but who knows..the only one that knows is hartnell. and he needs to be ready to get hit back.

To me, this is irrelevant. It doesn't matter whether it was Cheechoo or Lilja, anyone that intentionally goes knee-on-knee with someone, regardless of who is on the receiving end, should be dealt with in the same manner.

*Again, I'm not saying this in regards to the Hartnell incident last night, rather just when an intentional knee-on-knee hit takes place.*

Edited April 12, 2007 by Never Forget Mac #25

[hillbillywingsfan 794]

well it looked like thats what he was going in to do.hit knee on knee...to me..im just making that comment because of what the preds fans are saying. they are defending him...they are saying that it was an accident he was trying to turn and all this. ..all that stuff.

[Wings_Dynasty 267]

My anger comes from the fact that Hartnell will play in the next game and Cheechoo is done for the play-offs (probably). If he has done that to Hank, Lids, or Dats, I would be planning a trip to Toronto and NYC right now to talk to the head of suspensions. He should be out for as long as the injured player is out.

If it had been a clean check and Cheechoo had a season ending concussion or broken ankle from the landing, that's one thing, but on a penalized play he should be suspended for the rest of the PO's.

[Jon 0]

or Tootoo will be putting a fist-sized hole in their face.

Tootoo would need to drop his gloves first.

[esteef 2,679]

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=203798&hubname=

"Sharks coach Ron Wilson told TSN that Cheechoo wanted to come back into the game and said that he was confident that Cheechoo would play again in the series."

esteef

[regwinguofmfan 0]

Too bad Preds fans have not been around hockey long enough to remember Brian Marchment.

If he was a Shark, Princess Paul would have been carried off the ice last night.

Even if Tootoo the tough guy was on the ice.

Preds fans, newsflash

The toughest guy you have on your team is Peter Forsberg, and Im not kidding.

[BlueMonk 102]

It would really be unfortunate if this series turned into a series of retaliation. Because the moment people start going after Kariya, either Weber, Hordichuk, or Tootoo will be putting a fist-sized hole in their face.

This is a bit silly. San Jose can take care of itself just fine in the physicality department. Nashville isn't going to intimidate them.

[Zion 93]

I don't believe that he deliberately tried to put Cheech out of the playoffs. The leg thing is instinct to a lot of guys, and, like your stick, you are responsible for it if you hurt someone. I agreed with the call.

I'll have to watch the replay again, as I saw Cheech bleeding, but didn't see a stick or elbow come up. I'll watch again.