Paging Datsyuk

[sHANKshot 0]

Well now it's official that you haven't read anything in this thread. Otherwise, you would have noticed that I didn't start this thread.

I just noticed how many people were jumping all over the original poster and defended some of the things he was saying.

Please get your facts straight before you patronize or insult fellow LGW members.

My original post was directed at the "topic starter and those on his coattails" Who isn't reading? When you start a thread with an insulting and innaccurate title you'll get some static for it.

[WingNutt 12]

This thread keeps getting funnier and funnier.

Now you Datsyuk supporters are giving me the finger and resorting to personal attacks because a few people said he and Hank are gonna have to start scoring on the road for the team to continue to be successful?

wow.

Fine. Have it your way. Datsyuk is one of the elite players in the league, but we shouldn't expect anything special from him.

(and for the thousandth time, overall he's playing well this playoffs. I don't think anyone's arguing that).

Harold after a few debates with you on various topics I understand your a very opinionated type of guy which is fine, We understand how you feel and what your saying, however all everyone else was saying is We feel he is pulling his weight so far and is helping in more ways than just scoring all the goals. Thats all we were saying I understand where both parties are coming from, and I feel this debate is not about hating or loving Datsyuk rather a difference in opinion over his role and getting the job done.

I'm not going to argue with your buddy Hank anymore, he seems to love going back and forth and saying the same exact things and can't seem to grasp that not everyone will agree and feel the same way he does about stuff.

so to put things straight we all can agree on, Datsyuk and Zetterberg scoring more goals would help greatly and they need to continue doing everything else they have done right to this point.

Everyone stated their minds on this and it seems it will never end so I say we all just forget this post and get back to SUPPORTING the Wings and the huge game we have to look forward to tommorow after noon.

Take care guys and Go Wings

[Hank 0]

Harold after a few debates with you on various topics I understand your a very opinionated type of guy which is fine, We understand how you feel and what your saying, however all everyone else was saying is We feel he is pulling his weight so far and is helping in more ways than just scoring all the goals. Thats all we were saying I understand where both parties are coming from, and I feel this debate is not about hating or loving Datsyuk rather a difference in opinion over his role and getting the job done.

I'm not going to argue with your buddy Hank anymore, he seems to love going back and forth and saying the same exact things and can't seem to grasp that not everyone will agree and feel the same way he does about stuff.

so to put things straight we all can agree on, Datsyuk and Zetterberg scoring more goals would help greatly and they need to continue doing everything else they have done right to this point.

Everyone stated their minds on this and it seems it will never end so I say we all just forget this post and get back to SUPPORTING the Wings and the huge game we have to look forward to tommorow after noon.

Take care guys and Go Wings

Well said. That's all I, and others were trying to say.

Cheers.

[Viperar 16]

peace?!?!?!

i hear the church bells ringing throughout the countryside!

[Hank 0]

Its funny how people equate points to success. Points are very hard to come by in the playoffs. When games end 2-1 or 3-2, how do you expect a guy to ring em up like Micheal Jordan? It takes a full 60 minutes, and a lot of times more, to wear a team down and beat them. You don't just waltz around scoring goals at will. Do you think there is a lack of effort that is leading to Dats and Zetts not scoring 6 goals a game each? Come on.... they are busting their asses!!! Quit whining and support the team. Don't throw the salary card out. Why not just play only Dats against a team of their 1 and 2 million dollar guys if salary is all that matters? Since he makes more he should be able to beat them single handedly, right?

Not to beat a deadhorse, but salary does have something to do with it. We play in a capped league now. If you're going to spend 15% of your cap on one player, you want to see that player do what he's paid for. If he can't, you'd like to use that same 15% on another player or players who can.

For the record, I think Datsyuk and Zetts have played great so far. Dats has shown way more effort this year and I think he's finally grasped the concept of how hard you need to work or how much you need to elevate your game come playoff time.

But in the end, if you lose out and one of the main reasons is not enough production, you're naturally going to look at your top offensive players.

When you use the following argument:

When games end 2-1 or 3-2, how do you expect a guy to ring em up like Micheal Jordan?

a counter argument could be made that perhaps the game could have been 4-1 or 4-2 if your top players had pumped in more goals.

I still think that the main issue with their lack of road production is that they're on the same line and that the other team has the last change. It's too easy for the Sharks to get their top D-pairing and checking line out against them.

Zetts should be centering their 2nd line.

[sibiriak 84]

This team is 6-4 in the playoffs. 2-3 on the road, 4-2 at home. We would have home ice at least until the Cup finals.

The TEAM is doing OK. One might as well critisize Datsyukand Zetterberg for not scoring in the third period on the road or in minutes 24 through 35 of games or whatever esoteric stat one may come up with when they didn't happen to score. If the team loses, then its leaders get to shoulder the most of the blame. I'm sure either one of those players would gladly go without scoring asingle point, if the team wins.

I think the emotion of the thread starter could be best summed up like this: "I really wish the Wings could blow every team out in every game at home and on the road, and I would like to see Datsyuk and Zetterberg each score a goal or two in each game. Since we are not winning every game, lets see who is to blame. Ahh, neither Datsyuk, nor Zetterberg scored a single goal on the road. Lets call them out on that."

As a fan, I want that too. But SJ is a very strong team, and we have split both home and road games with them.

That is we won and lost the same number of games at home and on the road. Regardless of who scored where.

Stats that matter: DET 2 - SJ 2

Stats that don't matter: All individual stats.

[dicksmack 33]

Pavel's salary will hold him to a higher standard--nothing wrong there... But personally, I think Dats has played quite well, in terms of his all-around game and he did pot a game-winner in this series, after all. Yeah, he's got to score on the road but a road team has to have other guys stepping up who aren't getting the #1 checkers, as well... I'm glad Mr. Lang did just that.

[Pucker 0]

Personally, I think that Pavel seen the hit Scott Stevens put on Koslov, and he wants NO part of that.

Yea, I think he is afraid of getting cranked.

[bringback91 2]

This thread keeps getting funnier and funnier.

Now you Datsyuk supporters are giving me the finger and resorting to personal attacks because a few people said he and Hank are gonna have to start scoring on the road for the team to continue to be successful?

wow.

Fine. Have it your way. Datsyuk is one of the elite players in the league, but we shouldn't expect anything special from him.

(and for the thousandth time, overall he's playing well this playoffs. I don't think anyone's arguing that).

Can someone PLEASE help Harold off the stake?!? Such the Martyr. Hank?

Give me a break boss, anyone who reads your posts regularly knows how you are. If a little cartoon hand gets to you that bad, I guess I was wrong.

No, lets have it your way instead. Datsyuk is completly over paid and should'nt have been resigned at all. I've made no secret of the fact I can't really stand the guy, so lets nit pick for nit picks sake. Never mind the sucess both the team and himself are haveing so far this post season.

(if you know how the Datsyuk supporters are...which silly me thought was all Wings fans....then why continue to push buttons, when you know what it gets you? Personally I don't care, I get alot of laughs out of a thread like this, but it really seems to bother you that people support the guy. Overall he is playing well, I don't think I've read where anyone said he's playing like Wayneo or even Stevie, so why do you act like they have?)

Personally, I think that Pavel seen the hit Scott Stevens put on Koslov, and he wants NO part of that.

Yea, I think he is afraid of getting cranked.

Yeah he hit him so hard the z on the back of his jersey spun to an s. I'm sure Dats makes a habit out of watching retired players hits on former Wings from over a decade ago.

[Winged Scooter 0]

Personally, I think that Pavel seen the hit Scott Stevens put on Koslov, and he wants NO part of that.

Yea, I think he is afraid of getting cranked.

I think this could very well be the dumbest post in this thread.....

[lets go pavel 2]

Personally, I think that Pavel seen the hit Scott Stevens put on Koslov, and he wants NO part of that.

Yea, I think he is afraid of getting cranked.

Uhhh ... what have you been watching? Pavel, along with the rest of the team, has been taking hits and giving hits back ... I can't think of one person on the team who has been skating scared. And what does Stevens have to do with this series???

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Can someone PLEASE help Harold off the stake?!? Such the Martyr. Hank?

Give me a break boss, anyone who reads your posts regularly knows how you are. If a little cartoon hand gets to you that bad, I guess I was wrong.

No, lets have it your way instead. Datsyuk is completly over paid and should'nt have been resigned at all. I've made no secret of the fact I can't really stand the guy, so lets nit pick for nit picks sake. Never mind the sucess both the team and himself are haveing so far this post season.

(if you know how the Datsyuk supporters are...which silly me thought was all Wings fans....then why continue to push buttons, when you know what it gets you? Personally I don't care, I get alot of laughs out of a thread like this, but it really seems to bother you that people support the guy. Overall he is playing well, I don't think I've read where anyone said he's playing like Wayneo or even Stevie, so why do you act like they have?)

Again with the personal insults.

If you get so many laughs out of a thread like this, then why do you get so bent out of shape and attack people?

The point you don't seem to understand or can't possibly believe is that I'm not trying to push buttons.

Despite what you may think, I don't have a Datsyuk-hating agenda. I'm trying to make a point. But god forbid if that point ever includes Datsyuk, there's pretty much no way it can be made without you and others getting up in arms.

That's the funny thing. No one has said he's playing like Wayne or Stevie, but no one has said he's playing bad either. Then all these people jump all over me and other posters here complaining that he hasn't been playing bad and we're crazy.

I was being diplomatic when I used the phrase "Datysuk supporters." I think virtually all Wings fans are Datsyuk supporters, including myself.

But then there are those, let's call them "Datsyuk zealots" or "Datsyuk extremists" who refuse to hear anything even slightly critical of the guy, flame anyone who does anything other than praise him, and hold the contradictory position that though they believe he is one of the absolute best players in the league, there should be no expectations on him to perform as such.

Back when this thread was on topic and civil, Zetterberg was included with Dats as needing to score on the road. For as much as you guys complain about people worshipping Z, I don't see anyone rushing in whining about how nothing is ever good enough or atttacking the people who are criticizing him. Funny how that is.

Here's my initial post, before all you zealots jumped in.

That's the thing. We need them to show up on the road, and they haven't yet this playoffs.

To get past San Jose and to get anywhere in the next round, we need our top two forwards producing on the road as well as at home.

Wow. such an extreme statement I made there. Clearly I was baiting people and pushing buttons.

Edited May 4, 2007 by haroldsnepsts

[KnightFire420 0]

You know I look at it this way.

The playoffs aren't always about just what the stars do. Sure you need the stars to pick it up and score some big goals which Datsyk has done but it's also about their presence. If D and Z get handcuffed on the road it's up to others to pick up the slack which for the most part has happened. Frazen scoring the finisher against Calgary, Langs goal to send game 4 into overtime, etc.

I mean Yzerman didn't score the Wings first Stanley Cup winning goal McCarty did.

Babecock was on the Fan 590's Hockey News at noon today and his thing was "We are a team that cares about the wins."

Personally I like that idea of thought at this time of year instead of Datsyk or Zetteberg or however needs to score all the goals.

I also believe that the further we go the hungrier those stars will get and for us that will be a very good thing.

Have a good one.

[OsGOD 3]

Uhhh ... what have you been watching? Pavel, along with the rest of the team, has been taking hits and giving hits back ... I can't think of one person on the team who has been skating scared. And what does Stevens have to do with this series???

he played hockey a few times against the sharks... The same sport that Pavs is playing right now against the sharks... therefore Steven's ifs VERY relavant. OR this... San Jose Swept us in '94 in the 1st round.... NJ swept us in '95 in the final round. Steven's Played for New Jersey and Dats is playing San Jose right now.... Okay, you got me... I don't have a clue.

Surprisingly, Pavel HAS been dishing out just as many hits as he is taking. It was a pleasant surprise. Now if only Him and Zeta can rejoin the score sheets, all would be well with life

Edited May 4, 2007 by OsGOD

[WingNutt 12]

Again with the personal insults.

If you get so many laughs out of a thread like this, then why do you get so bent out of shape and attack people?

The point you don't seem to understand or can't possibly believe is that I'm not trying to push buttons.

Despite what you may think, I don't have a Datsyuk-hating agenda. I'm trying to make a point. But god forbid if that point ever includes Datsyuk, there's pretty much no way it can be made without you and others getting up in arms.

That's the funny thing. No one has said he's playing like Wayne or Stevie, but no one has said he's playing bad either. Then all these people jump all over me and other posters here complaining that he hasn't been playing bad and we're crazy.

I was being diplomatic when I used the phrase "Datysuk supporters." I think virtually all Wings fans are Datsyuk supporters, including myself.

But then there are those, let's call them "Datsyuk zealots" or "Datsyuk extremists" who refuse to hear anything even slightly critical of the guy, flame anyone who does anything other than praise him, and hold the contradictory position that though they believe he is one of the absolute best players in the league, there should be no expectations on him to perform as such.

Back when this thread was on topic and civil, Zetterberg was included with Dats as needing to score on the road. For as much as you guys complain about people worshipping Z, I don't see anyone rushing in whining about how nothing is ever good enough or atttacking the people who are criticizing him. Funny how that is.

Here's my initial post, before all you zealots jumped in.

Wow. such an extreme statement I made there. Clearly I was baiting people and pushing buttons.

are you calling us Jews now Harold ??

[RedLightGoesOn 81]

Lidstrom? Doesn't he lead this team in scoring?

I believe he's got most assists (10 or so), and thats a lot, but I agree that it would be nice to see our top guys score, but I like it even more when Lang scores, makes up for that lazy skating.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

are you calling us Jews now Harold ??

uh, right. I hope you're not seriously trying to further derail this thread by making it seem like I made a racial comment.'

zealot - as in one who is zealous. a fanatic.

Edited May 4, 2007 by haroldsnepsts

[bringback91 2]

Again with the personal insults.

If you get so many laughs out of a thread like this, then why do you get so bent out of shape and attack people?

The point you don't seem to understand or can't possibly believe is that I'm not trying to push buttons.

Despite what you may think, I don't have a Datsyuk-hating agenda. I'm trying to make a point. But god forbid if that point ever includes Datsyuk, there's pretty much no way it can be made without you and others getting up in arms.

That's the funny thing. No one has said he's playing like Wayne or Stevie, but no one has said he's playing bad either. Then all these people jump all over me and other posters here complaining that he hasn't been playing bad and we're crazy.

I was being diplomatic when I used the phrase "Datysuk supporters." I think virtually all Wings fans are Datsyuk supporters, including myself.

But then there are those, let's call them "Datsyuk zealots" or "Datsyuk extremists" who refuse to hear anything even slightly critical of the guy, flame anyone who does anything other than praise him, and hold the contradictory position that though they believe he is one of the absolute best players in the league, there should be no expectations on him to perform as such.

Back when this thread was on topic and civil, Zetterberg was included with Dats as needing to score on the road. For as much as you guys complain about people worshipping Z, I don't see anyone rushing in whining about how nothing is ever good enough or atttacking the people who are criticizing him. Funny how that is.

Here's my initial post, before all you zealots jumped in.

Wow. such an extreme statement I made there. Clearly I was baiting people and pushing buttons.

Personal insults? Where when I called you an intelligent poster? Yeah that's a bad one. Since when are you so sensitive? No offence but you were acting like a martyr. You got pissed cause I put a " " after your post cause you said it was simply a playoff hockey analysis. so you served me up one, and I gave you the "cartoon finger". Hardly a personal insult or all that serious. If you got offended I apologize. I do get laughs and didn't attack anyone. But the fact your acting holier than thou on that whole issue is mildy amusing also.

While I've called your analysis of the road scoring situation for both as stating the obvious, I think the fact of how the Wings have been all year should be taken into consideration also. There the kind of team that spreads the scoring around over 4 lines. Look at N.J. 2 guys doing everything, there about done. Vancover and Dallas relied on one player alone. done. Calgary, kipper, done. So your saying Dats and Z should step it up even more. Fine, what if both get 3 pts. in the final 2 home games of the series and none on the road and the Wings still win the series, where does that leave your arguement of the simply MUST score on the road or they'll be done? I'm just saying, it's not that black and white.

Diplomatic? don't have to be, I don't really care. Say what you want to say. Someone actually complemented you on not sugar coating things, that's why the love what you post. But, I beleieve Datsyuk "apologist" used to be your prefered lable for me and others in the past. That's the one I've grown accustom to. We must have a different defintion of "flaming" cause I don't think I've done anything of the sort. You may be being a bit "hyper-sensitive". Again no offence. For the record, I've been supporting Z against un-fair ridicule since the start of the playoffs. Said all along how i think there both great. Just found it funny how Z was the do no wrong golden boy, whilst the same people would refer to Dats as simply the "greedy, overrated, russian".

Zealots. Watch it or were going to jump on the hood of your car with our #13 jerseys and flaming spears screaming "Ala Akbar!" hahaha!!

Again, I don't think anyone really went overboard in reation to your posts. I'll apologize for anyone in this thread that personally offended you. I will say that one thing I found comical which you really had no control over was Hank attaching himself to you. I got this picture in my head of those old Sylvester the cat cartoons, where you'd have the big bulldog (you) and then the little puppy (hank) and the puppy'd be like circleing around the bigger dog, while the bigger dog was just walking ignoring him and the puppy would say stuff like "Spike, what we gonna do today spike! you see that cat spike, want me to beat him up spike, your so strong and tough spike, your the best!" haahhah Don't know, most around here might be too young to remember those old cartoons.

edited to better convey my looney tunes reference.

Edited May 4, 2007 by bringback91

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

blah blah blah *(edited for lenght)

read back through the thread. There have been some insults, but more than that, there's been example after example of a Datsyuk apologist, as you prefer, going off about things that people haven't even said. Not even reading the inital point of this thread before they rant about how people hate Dats and will never be satisfied.

It's totally overblown this whole topic because you guys suddenly make it about Datsyuk bashing, when it was such a friggin minor comment about both he and Zetterberg. It's completely ridiculous and only makes you guys look more like Datsyuk slappies.

Seriously, stroll back through the thread and check out some of the posts by Datsyuk supporters, which have nothing to do with the actual point that was being made.

Any thread with Datsyuk in the title and I can name at least three people who are gonna show up and make accusations of Datsyuk bashing.

Edited May 4, 2007 by haroldsnepsts

[WingNutt 12]

uh, right. I hope you're not seriously trying to further derail this thread by making it seem like I made a racial comment.'

zealot - as in one who is zealous. a fanatic.

heh just messing with you brother, This thread is getting out so I'm trying to make peace so we can all get back to supporting the team, instead of debating with each other.

you called us Zealots, Just because we are die hard Datsyuk fans doesen't make us a Jewish Political Movement.

come on guys like I was trying to do before, We all have a different opinion on things We've all voiced our opinions and we are not going to change anyones mind so lets just forget this thread and get back to all supporting the team together.

I'm done with the bickering it will go on for days and days, this is not the first time, Harold and friends have had a disagreement with myself and friends. and it probably won't be the last, but I respect thier opinion even though I don't agree with it. Lets all just be cool now

Wingnutt Captain of the Datsyuk Zealot Squad ~OUT

Edited May 4, 2007 by WingNutt

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

heh just messing with you brother, This thread is getting out so I'm trying to make peace so we can all get back to supporting the team, instead of debating with each other.

you called us Zealots, Just because we are die hard Datsyuk fans doesen't make us a Jewish Political Movement.

just making sure you were kidding.

I called you zealots. No capital Z.

[bringback91 2]

read back through the thread. There have been some insults, but more than that, there's been example after example of a Datsyuk apologist, as you prefer, going off about things that people haven't even said. Not even reading the inital point of this thread before they rant about how people hate Dats and will never be satisfied.

It's totally overblown this whole topic because you guys suddenly make it about Datsyuk bashing, when it was such a friggin minor comment about both he and Zetterberg. It's completely ridiculous and only makes you guys look more like Datsyuk slappies.

Seriously, stroll back through the thread and check out some of the posts by Datsyuk supporters, which have nothing to do with the actual point that was being made.

Any thread with Datsyuk in the title and I can name at least three people who are gonna show up and make accusations of Datsyuk bashing.

I've read it, but better than that I've got a pretty good memory especially of my own posts, please point out the personal attack of mine towards you so i can correct that. Thanks. If your refering to me, I always read the thread and all comments before I post. But I also am pretty good at remembering past posts, flame wars, rants whatever, and am able to put 2 and 2 together. I don't recall saying you would be one of the ones never satisified but in all honesty, wouldn't be surprised.

Overblown the topic maybe, but at least it's better than repeating the same obvious statement "no scoring for wings equals no wins" and patting each other on the back, no? I mean really, I don't care what I "look like", rather be accused of being a "zealous" fan than someone who waits to jump on the bandwagon til the end, wouldn't you?

Great, I see you have a good memory too, well as easy as that would be for you to name, I bet I could come up with three who'll be trying to bash the same dried up bologna comments in spite.

BTW, my post wasn't "blah, blah, blah" there was some serious, and some funny stuff in there. Gave me a smile anyway.

[Bannedforlife 403]

uh, right. I hope you're not seriously trying to further derail this thread by making it seem like I made a racial comment.'

zealot - as in one who is zealous. a fanatic.

I think he thought you meant Zionist. Because really, the two are very similar

[Kp-Wings 3]

I find this thread quite comical. You guys get your feelings hurt way to easily when your favorite player is questioned.

And again, restating what I said, Dastyuk is not playing bad. He is having a pretty good playoff series this year. But with the money he makes now, I expect more. And so do half a million other Wings fans that aren't Datsyuk slappies.

[bringback91 2]

I find this thread quite comical. You guys get your feelings hurt way to easily when your favorite player is questioned.

And again, restating what I said, Dastyuk is not playing bad. He is having a pretty good playoff series this year. But with the money he makes now, I expect more. And so do half a million other Wings fans that aren't Datsyuk slappies.

Glad someone else does too. Honestly I've laughed more from this than my last visit to comedy castle, and that's no lie.

Actually, he doesn't make that much yet. The new contract doesn't start til next season.