Broodooour's overblownness explodes right in his face

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

i just call it the way i see it bud.

...even if it has nothing to do with reality.

The singular hatred for Brodeur by a handful of people here is kinda funny actually.

He's not the greatest ever, but he's one of the greatest of this generation for sure. He'd probably fair better in the playoffs if New Jersey would actually rest him for a few games during the regular season.

The reality is the Devils weren't that good this year and Marty was a large part of their regular season success.

[spydrwebb 0]

he's amazing, bottom line.

you can hate him all you want but he deserves credit for what he's accomplished.

he's not the best of all time but that absolutely doesn't equate to being horrible.

this thread is ignorant, doesn't require any further discussion.

[BringHomeTheCup! 0]

he hasnt done squat 1996-1999 either, going 4-10 while sitting on his newly-signed multimillion dollar contract. actually, if you don't count the cup seasons during which the trap was pretty much impassable and offence inexistant trhoughout the league, he's not good. 11-12 and an average of almost 3.00 since 2003? maybe he could stop gobbling all season games to pad his stats like the egomaniac he is, and preserve some energy for games that matter?

oh, and people pretending that he's hiding an injury just because he's playing like crap? there isnt a shadow of a proof that he's injured in the least, yet people say that like it's a fact. and I'M the one acting illogical lol. personal attacks will really go a long way towards proving your points. NOT.

Before you call him out, learn how to do the math. GAA is goals allowed x 60 divided by minutes played. Marty has a GAA of 2.45. P Roy carried a career 2.30 playoff GAA.

[BlueMonk 102]

Heh, I never knew he said that. What a dick.

Oh, it's just the latest in a long list of stupid things he's said over the years. Great goalie, but not the brightest guy.

[wingsfan40 0]

Marty is one of the best, case closed.

[glasgowcelticwing 18]

Marty is one of the best, case closed.

[RockyMountainWingGal 108]

Even if he is the biggest jerk in the world it doesn't change that he's a good goalie. It seems that all the other best goalies are also known for being the biggest jerks in the world, so I don't really see why being a jerk has anything to do with him being supposedly 'over-rated' or whatever.

Which...for the record...he's not. Everyone has bad games.

Agreed. Patrick Roy was sometimes a jerk - one with 4 rings and a slot in the HOF. Let's admit Hasek has been a jerk a few times too. Has nothing to do with talent as a goalie - goalies are always kind of a strange breed anyhow.

This topic should have read "I can't stand Brodeur and I'm glad he lost". Challenging his credentials doesn't really warrant much of a discussion with this guy...

[glasgowcelticwing 18]

Agreed. Patrick Roy was sometimes a jerk - one with 4 rings and a slot in the HOF. Let's admit Hasek has been a jerk a few times too. Has nothing to do with talent as a goalie - goalies are always kind of a strange breed anyhow.

This topic should have read "I can't stand Brodeur and I'm glad he lost". Challenging his credentials doesn't really warrant much of a discussion with this guy...

I think we should start a new thread something like , Why are all the best goaltenders a bit strange????

I'm kinda half kidding , half serious . I alway's wanted to know why???

[BringHomeTheCup! 0]

I think we should start a new thread something like , Why are all the best goaltenders a bit strange????

I'm kinda half kidding , half serious . I alway's wanted to know why???

There may be some correlation between the oddness of a goaltender, and getting hit in the face with pucks. I'm not sure though....

we're not "ignorant of his accomplishments" dude, we just understand how they were achieved. with stacked defensive teams that made it entirely too easy on him. that's one thing but the dead giveaway is when you watch him, and his defense doesn't play well, neither does he. not like i'd expect most of his supporters to you know, watch him...with their eyes, or anything.

i'm seriously amazed, and take into account this is the itnernet and not alot shocks me anymore, that some people get so personal when defending this overrated, arrogant schmuck.

like i said, i loathe roy, but won't deny him. marty? yeah. i will. but it's always "oh you just dont like him" or "well derp! you're stoopid!". it can just never be a real honest opinion.

may as well change this site to LetsGoMahrty

Why would you deny Marty? Yeah he did play in a defensive system that put a lock down on goal scoring. But remember that the system also hurt the Devils goal scoring. They pretty much asked Marty to be perfect. As for praising Roy and not Marty, Roy WILL own all of Roy's significant records in 3 seasons or less.

[Rivalred 630]

Any guy who nail's his sister in law must have some moves left.

[glasgowcelticwing 18]

There may be some correlation between the oddness of a goaltender, and getting hit in the face with pucks. I'm not sure though....

THAT'S IT !!!!! thank's bud. ooooorrrrr...... maybe there just *******'s???? just thought I'd throw it out there?!?!?!/

[Yzerfan1999 81]

He is the best goalie in the NHL, and right up there with Sawchuk as the best all time.

Everyone has a bad series from time to time, and everyone is human. Marty knows that.

His stats and achievements speak for themselves. You can make the argument that his stats are a product of his environment, but so are EVERYONES. The guy would be a great goalie wherever he plays, and I think the fact that everyone is jumping on him for having a bad series speaks for itself - it obviously doesnt happen often - thats why everyones talking about it.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

it was only a matter of time until the topic police showed up. what would we do without you?

i hate roy. he's got accomplishments, rings, etc.

i dislike marty. he's got the same things.

one guy i'll admit is one of the best of all time, easily. one, isn't. i can differenciate the two, i won't just lump one into the same category as the other because of what his team got him.

wake up, as if you're one to imply someone shouldn't hold a grudge

you're irritation with me is pretty hysterical. the real question is what would we do without you, other than have a lot less obsessive threads about Brodeur being overrated.

and I'm not quite sure what you meant about me not being the one to imply someone shouldn't hold a grudge. who exactly is my grudge against? (other than perhaps your stupid threads, but we're talking about players here)

Yes, tell Matt this site should be renamed LetsgoMarty because most of the people here agree with the rest of the planet that Brodeur is one of the best goalies of his generation.

So how does it work that his team got him there exactly?

This season Brodeur had a .922 save percentage, Luongo for reference had .921. Marty made 2011 saves to Luongo's 1998 saves. He played 2 more games than Luongo. Brodeur also had 12 shutouts to Luongo's 5.

So games played are pretty close. The number of shots they faced are pretty close. Yet Brodeur has the better save percentage and 7 more shutouts.

I guess the only reasonable explanation is that somehow New Jersey blocks all the really hard shots, letting only the easiest ones through so Brodeur ends up looking better than he actually is?

As always, the numbers don't tell the whole story. But watching Marty play over the years, it's pretty baseless to attribute so much of his success to New Jersey. If you could watch hiim without the weird chip on your shoulder, you'd probably see that.

Edited May 7, 2007 by haroldsnepsts

[C-TownWing 0]

FWIW, I rank him behind Hasek and Roy at 3rd best of this generation. Probably in the top 25 ever, but closer to #25 than to #1. There is a middle ground between "greatest ever" and "overrated and sucks," believe it or not.

Edited May 7, 2007 by C-TownWing

[BringHomeTheCup! 0]

it was only a matter of time until the topic police showed up. what would we do without you?

i hate roy. he's got accomplishments, rings, etc.

i dislike marty. he's got the same things.

one guy i'll admit is one of the best of all time, easily. one, isn't. he's close, he's great. but top 3? eh, nah. i can differenciate the two, i won't just lump one into the same category as the other because of what his team got him.

wake up, as if you're one to imply someone shouldn't hold a grudge

You'd put Roy in your top 3 goaltenders? Is that of all-time, or or the 90's? Sawchuk, Parent, Vezina, Hall, Plante, Fuhr, Esposito, Hainsworth, Dryden, Worsley, Bower, and friends....

[glasgowcelticwing 18]

I don't think I'll ever understand why some people just don't rate Brodeur. The fact's and the stats state that the guy is one of, not the best, but one of the best goaltender's ever.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

really? cause you're the one replying to me.

drop the grudge kiddo.

do you really want me to repeat it? just so you can automatically attempt to counter it? do oyu watch his games? no.

and this is why you don't watch. because anyone whos watched luongo and brodeur wouldn't dream of comparing their shots. by the numbers? eh, even. by the shot quality, it's night and day. luongo busted his ass. marty faced luxury shots on a much more signifigant basis.

i know you were trying to be sarcastic, because when you get into it with someone, that's just what you resort to, but you're actually not that far off. they collapse better than anyone in the league and force weak outside shots and control rebounds outstandingly. but you'd know that, right?

i understand at this site it's like trying to scoop the water out of the ocean with your hands, but eh, i say what i believe. tha'ts clearly not taken to well here, where if you don't go with the sheep flow of things, you're an outcast. oh well.

even though sometimes i don't get around to saying it, i think so too.

he's not the best ever. he's not top 3 to me. he's overrated, to me.

but i don't tihnk he's bad. i don't think he's "OH HOLY s*** TERRIBLE HAHA!". there's a grey area.

that's why your argument holds no water and is delusional, "kiddo."

Because you believe on the whole, year after year, Brodeur's team somehow stops the difficult shots and only lets through the easier ones. And that on the whole, Luongo's are somehow much harder night after night. If Jersey could figure out that system year after year, I think pretty much the whole league would adopt it.

It's ridiculous, and about the strongest example that your weird obsession with Brodeur is skewing your perspective.

I was being sarcastic because the idea is so obviously ludicruos. What's funnier is that you truly believe it.

Also, the fact that you seem to consider this the same New Jersey team as in the 90s makes me wonder if you ever watch the games. (I also like how you tell me I haven't watched him. It must be nice to know everything and always be right).

but go on, fight the power! tell it brother! let the truth be known! you're one small voice who only sees the truth, but you shall lead the way!

so yes, I'm making jokes, because your argument about Brodeur is a total joke.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

:caution:

[glasgowcelticwing 18]

:caution:

[Rivalred 630]

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

and let's be real. i mean, c'mon, this isn't about you really backing brodeur. we both know you more than likely don't know enough about devils hockey or him to do it, this is just about you not liking me and doing what you always do when i make a reply. you can say what you want, cause you will, but we both know it

this how you attempt comebacks. you just tell the other person they're soooo crazy and their ideas are just soooo out of left field. nevermind mentioning why, it's just your style.

so in your world you know that:

a) I don't watch the Devils play hockey

b) me sayin Brodeur is a good goalie is really just a ruse, because really I'm just saying all this because I don't like you??

Seriously dude, wtf is your problem? You keep acting like I have some vendetta against you.

I don't.

Jeez. It's like St. Louis fans thinking they've got some big rivalry with Detroit, and Detroit fans not really thinking twice about them.

The only reason I'm posting is because you're wrong about Brodeur and your reasoning is laughably faulty.

but if you'd like to chat more about my personal quest to hassle you, feel free to PM me. I'm afraid we've derailed this insightful thread enough as it is.

(edited for clarity)

Edited May 7, 2007 by haroldsnepsts

[spydrwebb 0]

stick him in columbus. no one could tell me with a straight face he wouldn't fall flat on his face there without 4 defensemen per shift.

i can and am doing so right now.

and just for the record, harold hasn't made any unfounded claims about

your posts that you haven't deserved and/or walked into yourself.

i'm not doing anything here but giving brodeur credit where it is due.

you obviously have a score to settle with him that far surpasses your

ability to think rationally when it comes to what he's done in his career.

are you telling the whole story here?

has he in any way committed a crime against you?

what exactly is your real issue?

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

it was only a matter of time until the topic police showed up. what would we do without you?

i hate roy. he's got accomplishments, rings, etc.

i dislike marty. he's got the same things.

one guy i'll admit is one of the best of all time, easily. one, isn't. he's close, he's great. but top 3? eh, nah. i can differenciate the two, i won't just lump one into the same category as the other because of what his team got him.

wake up, as if you're one to imply someone shouldn't hold a grudge

YEAH, RIGHT ON! You da man. Patrick Roy is great because he got 4 Stanley Cup rings. He was the man when he carried the Blue Jackets and the KC Scouts to the promised land.

Some people have the most warped idea of what constitutes rational thinking. So Marty can't be that great because his temas have been so great. Hmmmm.....does that mean that Fedorov isn't that great cause he played on nothing but stacked Wings teams? What would you call those Avalanche teams Roy played on for years....average?

Somebody else said it already but it bears repeating. When his career is over he will hold the record for wins and shutouts. He'll have at least 3 stanley cups and a handful of Vezinas to go with all the other accolades. If one's greatness is not to be judged by those things then by what measuring stick do we judge greatness?

Show me one great goalie who ever won anything on a terrible team? I'll show you a thousand average goalies who won something because of playing behind great teams though. Hasek, Roy, Brodeur are all great because they had alot of support. Your logic of dissing Brodeur because he played in a defensive oriented system is so absurd its hard to fathom. But like you said, this is the internet so not much is surprising. I mean, you can put any dumbass monkey behind a keyboard these days.

[BringHomeTheCup! 0]

YEAH, RIGHT ON! You da man. Patrick Roy is great because he got 4 Stanley Cup rings. He was the man when he carried the Blue Jackets and the KC Scouts to the promised land.

Some people have the most warped idea of what constitutes rational thinking. So Marty can't be that great because his temas have been so great. Hmmmm.....does that mean that Fedorov isn't that great cause he played on nothing but stacked Wings teams? What would you call those Avalanche teams Roy played on for years....average?

Somebody else said it already but it bears repeating. When his career is over he will hold the record for wins and shutouts. He'll have at least 3 stanley cups and a handful of Vezinas to go with all the other accolades. If one's greatness is not to be judged by those things then by what measuring stick do we judge greatness?

Show me one great goalie who ever won anything on a terrible team? I'll show you a thousand average goalies who won something because of playing behind great teams though. Hasek, Roy, Brodeur are all great because they had alot of support. Your logic of dissing Brodeur because he played in a defensive oriented system is so absurd its hard to fathom. But like you said, this is the internet so not much is surprising. I mean, you can put any dumbass monkey behind a keyboard these days.

[Guest Tunbo Batman]

lol, calm down a little guys. i was just sayin' that i'd put brodeur around the 11th rank all-time instead of 3rd-4th is all. im much more sick of people masturbating to posters of him than anything else