Samsonov should be a Red Wing

[Guest Agalloch]

How does Sergei Fedorov manage to find his way in nearly every topic? Damn, I don't want him back, but I'd almost be happy if here were back so I wouldn't have to read so many posts about him.

No thanks to Samsonov. He'd become another Lang on here, except he'd probably be hated even more.

[Guest DetroitIan]

I've said this in the past. In fact, every off-season for the past 6 years I've been saying this. But now, Im sorta undecided. Im just not so sure he has the confidence in his play like he once had. However, I do believe he was hampered in the Habs system. I think a change of scenery is just what this guy needs to get his game back fully. So I guess Im in favor of Sergei in the Winged Wheel. Plus he lives here in the off-season. Sounds good to me. As long as its not 3.5 mill a year or anything.

[Kp-Wings 3]

How does Sergei Fedorov manage to find his way in nearly every topic? Damn, I don't want him back, but I'd almost be happy if here were back so I wouldn't have to read so many posts about him.

Because these forums are filled with people that want to hang onto the past, and actually believe Fedorov would still be an effective player. Him and Shanahan both fall into the same department, though the love for Fedorov around here is just sicking sometimes.

Edited June 5, 2007 by Kp-Wings

[Guest DetroitIan]

He'd become another Lang on here

Except for the fact that Sergei can skate circles around Lang. I think alot of people are forgetting the year he had before he joined the Habs. Not to mention his great play in Boston for years. Get this guy in a new atmosphere and watch him explode again.

[Guest Agalloch]

Except for the fact that Sergei can skate circles around Lang. I think alot of people are forgetting the year he had before he joined the Habs. Not to mention his great play in Boston for years. Get this guy in a new atmosphere and watch him explode again.

Please, they're both lazy and have no motivation. The differences between them are this: Lang is bigger, Lang is older, Lang is Czech; Samsonov is Russian, and Samsonov *tries* to be more of a goal scorer.

Samsonov sucks. I'd be astonished if we added an overpaid, lazy, non-physical small winger. That's, you know, exactly what we don't need.

[Guest DetroitIan]

Please, they're both lazy and have no motivation. The differences between them are this: Lang is bigger, Lang is older, Lang is Czech; Samsonov is Russian, and Samsonov *tries* to be more of a goal scorer.

Samsonov sucks. I'd be astonished if we added an overpaid, lazy, non-physical small winger. That's, you know, exactly what we don't need.

Im only in favor of getting him if its a cheaper contract. But to question this guy's speed is a joke. Yeah, his game has gone down this past season with Montreal. But he has not lost his speed by any means. And yeah, he looked real lazy the season before when he was arguably the Oilers best player in the post-season. It's clear that he just didn't fit well on that squad. And his play showed that. And if he did have any lazy tendencies with the Habs, im sure that had nothing to do with their coach putting him on the fouth line only 1 week into the season. If the guy had even a few bad seasons in a row I might agree with you here. But he just had one. Im sure he didn't completely just lose his game.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

NEVER EVER.

I'd much rather Kozzie because he isnt TERRIBLE.

[BringHomeTheCup! 0]

I'm not sure how many of you know about Sergei Samsonov's situation in Montreal. He is doing everything he can to get out. Montreal is also doing everything they can do to get rid of him without hurting them aswell. Also in the past I've noticed threads of talk of Samsonov being a perfect fit in Detroit, his family is here still from his days with the Detroit Vipers, and he has also I beleive mentioned wanting to play for the Red Wings. Everyone was talking about it before he got traded to Montreal from Edmonton, a lot of people on the forums thought it would work out and a lot of people also didn't want anything to do with him coming here stating he is "too small" and that we have to many small speedy fowards already.

Once again I have brought up the subject. I beleive he would be awesome on our team, for many reasons. He is a top notch play maker and pure goal scorer. He had a bad year with Montreal yes but who didn't. I think he would be revived being in Detroit and show his magic that most of us know he is capable of. and the number one reason, Datsyuk and Samsonov play incredible together. Much like Pavel and Hank, but in a different good way. Anyone that has seen them play together will know what I'm talking about.

Just was wondering what everyone elses thoughts were about him and I already know what some of you will say hes to small, washed up, this that. but keep in mind you were saying similar things about Dom last off season and look at what he did at his age none the less.

Well, first here is a correction, Samsonov didn't get traded from Edmonton to Montreal. He signed with Montrel as an UFA.

Here are a few reasons why I don't think trading for Samsonov would be a good idea.

1. He is being paid more than the Wings can really afford to spend on one player of his caliber this offseason. Samsonov is a talented player, but I he isn't a steady first line scorer.

2. He brings a lot of baggage. He is a very emotional player, much like Alexi K. He would either be a shadow in the locker room, or a cancer. I don't think that is something Kenny is willing to take a shot at.

3. Samsonov could have been had for nothing last season, but no one wanted to stake a claim to him. That says a lot about him. He was on waivers, and not only could he have been had, the Habs would have had ot pick up half his salary. That means Detroit didn't want him for free at about $1.75. So tell me why would Kenny now want to give up something, and pay him full dues?

4. He doesn't fit in with Babs system. Much like Rex, Samsonov would most likely get very little ice time. Unless you are a superb talent like Hank or Pav, or play the shut down role like Drapes, you aren't going to see much ice time on a team coached by Babs.

5. He hasn't put up 50 points since 01-02, 20 goals since 01-02, or 20 helpers since 03-04. His best years, and really his only 2 productive season were with Joey T. If you don't know the type of playmaker Thornton is, look up his stats. I could put in 20 playing with Thornton. I'm not sure why you think Samsonov is a 'pure goal scorer' or a 'top notch playmaker'. He may have put up great numbers with the Vipers (if you consider 29 goals, 35 assists, for 64 points in 73 games 'great') but the guy has NEVER in ANY professional league put up 100 points. EVER. He has never in ANY professional league for even 1 season averaged a point per game (in 01-02 he came close averaging .95 PPG, playing with Thornton.).

Samsonov had a lot of potential coming into the NHL. He just never developed. He never will.

Next case please.

[scotvm 0]

The question of him being a natural goal scorer or not is a matter of opinion, I say he is a natural goal scorer, the guy is super underrated. I also believe he is one of gifted puck handlers in the league as well. No where close to Datsyuk but still way beyond the average NHL player. I'm not saying the guy would be a SUPER STAR but I know he would score 20+ goals and assist on many goals aswell. The new NHL is all about speed and this guy has it, sees the ice well can setup plays, and like I mentioned before, Clicks with Datsyuk's style of play like few others.

If he comes cheap its a no brainer but if he wants a lot of course it would be a dumb move but Holland can get him cheap and he is another diamond in the rough in my mind. Lang is on the way out, we could almost get Kozlov and Samsonov for Lang's price tag. and get three times the amount of production, but we would lose the Size advantage three fold aswell.

im sorry but id rank Samsonov as one of the most OVERRATED players in the NHL.

[Guest DetroitIan]

im sorry but id rank Samsonov as one of the most OVERRATED players in the NHL.

Unbelievable. The guy has one bad season. And now he just sucks dick for all time? I think many are forgetting when he was schooling our guys in the first round last season. If he plays poor next season, then we can talk about him being a bum. One bad season in a 10 year career doesn't make him overrated. In fact, if anything, he's underrated right now considering everyone thinks he sucks. Did he play great last season? No. But with a team change I guaruntee this guy will show what he has.

[BringHomeTheCup! 0]

Unbelievable. The guy has one bad season. And now he just sucks dick for all time? I think many are forgetting when he was schooling our guys in the first round last season. If he plays poor next season, then we can talk about him being a bum. One bad season in a 10 year career doesn't make him overrated. In fact, if anything, he's underrated right now considering everyone thinks he sucks. Did he play great last season? No. But with a team change I guaruntee this guy will show what he has.

Samsonov has NEVER put up more tha 75 points. In fact, if you take away the two season he played steadily with Thornton, he has put up more than 50 points once in his career. He'd be a soild 3rd liner on this team. Anything else is a long shot. I don't understand why there is so much lvoe for this guy. What has he EVER done?

[joshy207 156]

Pass on Samsonov. As already said, he could have been acquired for much less salary and/or return cost, but was not... and if he couldn't even DRESS for Montreal (who missed the playoffs) then how would he play here? He's a guy who should flourish in the "new" NHL but doesn't.

[Lou_Siffer 1]

No way. I know nobody likes to hear this but this team needs to put a heavy emphasis on North American players for a while.

[Kp-Wings 3]

No way. I know nobody likes to hear this but this team needs to put a heavy emphasis on North American players for a while.

I always like to hear that.

Unfourtantly, Ken Holland does not.

Well, he is getting a little bit better about it. I mean, both Calder and Bertuzzi were North Americans, and he brought them both in at the trade deadline, which really impressed me. I thought it would just be another no name Swede. I give Kenny credit, he's starting to realize that a team full of only Euro's doesn't win. The teams needs a good balanced mix, and it has enough Euro's.

That said, for some reason, I'm always willing to be a little easier when it comes to Samsonov. He's not as bad a guy as everyone says. It's just the contract situation that scares me away from him. That, and Scott Hartnell is availble, who I'd really like to see with the Wings.

[poolerman 0]

I guess some people have forgoten that very forgettable year Samsonov had in Edmonton

especially the playoffs!!!

He stuck in Montreal and he makes toomuch money

there is a cap..no need too get too close to cap yet!!!

[Lou_Siffer 1]

I always like to hear that.

Unfourtantly, Ken Holland does not.

Well, he is getting a little bit better about it. I mean, both Calder and Bertuzzi were North Americans, and he brought them both in at the trade deadline, which really impressed me. I thought it would just be another no name Swede. I give Kenny credit, he's starting to realize that a team full of only Euro's doesn't win. The teams needs a good balanced mix, and it has enough Euro's.

That said, for some reason, I'm always willing to be a little easier when it comes to Samsonov. He's not as bad a guy as everyone says. It's just the contract situation that scares me away from him. That, and Scott Hartnell is availble, who I'd really like to see with the Wings.

I also think there is small progress in that area, but not enough to instill any confidence that the trend will continue. At least replace Lang with a North American, and swap Hudler for one. If Sammy could go that'd be nice. With Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Holmstom, Franzen, and Flip up front there is no room for another...

[Kp-Wings 3]

I also think there is small progress in that area, but not enough to instill any confidence that the trend will continue. At least replace Lang with a North American, and swap Hudler for one. If Sammy could go that'd be nice. With Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Holmstom, Franzen, and Flip up front there is no room for another...

Hartnell can replace Lang, and Asham can replace Hudler.

There, that sounds good to me.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Hartnell can replace Lang, and Asham can replace Hudler.

There, that sounds good to me.

That sounds GREAT !

[Guest Crymson]

Why should we go for a player for whom we would need to trade? There are plenty of worthy FAs on the market, and we'd not need to give up anyone for them.

Further, why should we trade for a player who is an enormous question mark?

...

That sounds GREAT !

That'd sound great to me if I had no care whatsoever for the integrity of the team. Clearly you lack concern for said item.

I don't have a problem with him, but he's not what the Wings need. The Wings need someone like Hartnell, who brings grit along with scoring ability

.... and a complete disregard for the safety of the other team's players. No thanks.

[Kp-Wings 3]

That'd sound great to me if I had no care whatsoever for the integrity of the team. Clearly you lack concern for said item.

I know you're anti-Hartnell, but who exactly on the free agent market can bring what he does? I have the list, and really, I see no one that brings what he brings.

The next best option is maybe Brad Isbister. A former 20 goal scorer, who is big, and gritty. The only thing is, is that he's been primarly a 3rd line player the for the last 5 years. Whether he can still play on a top line is in question. I'd still like to see the Wings maybe sign him as a 3rd liner though, since he is big, and size is always welcome.

Edited June 6, 2007 by Kp-Wings

[poolerman 0]

I know you're anti-Hartnell, but who exactly on the free agent market can bring what he does? I have the list, and really, I see no one that brings what he brings.

The next best option is maybe Brad Isbister. A former 20 goal scorer, who is big, and gritty. The only thing is, is that he's been primarly a 3rd line player the for the last 5 years. Whether he can still play on a top line is in question. I'd still like to see the Wings maybe sign him as a 3rd liner though, since he is big, and size is always welcome.

I think we have enough 3rd liiners..

trade for torres he'sstill tough and active...Sammy for Torres toss in a pick

poolerman

[Guest DetroitIan]

I know you're anti-Hartnell, but who exactly on the free agent market can bring what he does?

I know one thing he brings to the table. Classlessness. I do think he is skillfull and gritty. However, I don't want the 7th goalie he runs and potentially injures, to happen in a Red Wings jersey. If he starts rising his level of class, then he's Red Wing meterial. But until then, not worthy of the Winged Wheel.

[Guest bullocks]

I think we have enough 3rd liiners..

trade for torres he'sstill tough and active...Sammy for Torres toss in a pick

poolerman

i'd do that

[Guest DetroitIan]

I think we have enough 3rd liiners..

trade for torres he'sstill tough and active...Sammy for Torres toss in a pick

poolerman

I would take Torres over Hartnell in a heartbeat.

[Izzy24 44]

Yeah and we can bring in Theo Fleury put them on a line with Hudler.

We should get Theo Fleury, I hear a lot of grit talk around here, they don't get much grittier than Fleury...and, he's North American. I think you've actually stumbled upon a great idea!