jenova0 0 Report post Posted June 7, 2007 i guess u don't want to win a cup that bad then I can honestly say that I'd rather not have The Cup than have Pronger on the Wings. Some people don't care about the type of player who is on their team, or the team's style of play. Those are the 2 most important things for me. That's why I love the Wings so much, they have "classy" leadership and play the best style of hockey in the NHL. Pronger does none of those things for me. Congrats to you and your Ducks, and keep Pronger till he retires. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lou_Siffer 1 Report post Posted June 7, 2007 I can honestly say that I'd rather not have The Cup than have Pronger on the Wings. Some people don't care about the type of player who is on their team, or the team's style of play. Those are the 2 most important things for me. That's why I love the Wings so much, they have "classy" leadership and play the best style of hockey in the NHL. Pronger does none of those things for me. Congrats to you and your Ducks, and keep Pronger till he retires. We're complete opposites then, as I think the Ducks play the best style of hockey in the NHL. I have a hard time believing your statement about Pronger though, are you sure you didnt feel exactly the same about Todd Bertuzzi a few years ago? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedRockit 0 Report post Posted June 7, 2007 We're complete opposites then, as I think the Ducks play the best style of hockey in the NHL. I have a hard time believing your statement about Pronger though, are you sure you didnt feel exactly the same about Todd Bertuzzi a few years ago? On another subject, Lou, may I ask you about your opinion re Getzlaf's ability vs. his propensity for X checking? I really wanted to admire this guy, but now I just canNOT conjure if he's as good as I think he is, or if he's only good at getting away with stuff.... (which I don't have a problem with, he didn't make anyone bleed. This IS hockey, anyway). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted June 7, 2007 Pronger wasn't the missing piece. If he was, Edmonton, St. Louis, and Hartford all would have won a Cup with him on the team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lou_Siffer 1 Report post Posted June 8, 2007 On another subject, Lou, may I ask you about your opinion re Getzlaf's ability vs. his propensity for X checking? I really wanted to admire this guy, but now I just canNOT conjure if he's as good as I think he is, or if he's only good at getting away with stuff.... (which I don't have a problem with, he didn't make anyone bleed. This IS hockey, anyway). Getzlaf is an outstanding player, and will be their star next season i think. Of their young guys i originally thought Penner would be that guy...but its Geztlaf. (not that i dont think Penner will be really good mind you..) But on your topic of cross checking, honestly i view it as part of the game. Using the lumber has ALWAYS been part of the game! Yes its a penalty but its not a cut and dry one, we see tons of crosschecks that dont get called. I dont see anything wrong with the way he plays. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedRockit 0 Report post Posted June 8, 2007 (edited) Getzlaf is an outstanding player, and will be their star next season i think. Of their young guys i originally thought Penner would be that guy...but its Geztlaf. (not that i dont think Penner will be really good mind you..) But on your topic of cross checking, honestly i view it as part of the game. Using the lumber has ALWAYS been part of the game! Yes its a penalty but its not a cut and dry one, we see tons of crosschecks that dont get called. I dont see anything wrong with the way he plays. Thanks for your reply, but it's his checks from behind that gave me most pause: it seemed cheap, and his talent seemd to me to preclude that kinda play. *shrug* Out of all the talent on that team, the only one that I covet for the Wings is, probably, him. (hastening to say, it'll probably never happen, and I'm not suggesting it. Just sayin'.) Edited June 8, 2007 by RedRockit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bullocks Report post Posted June 8, 2007 Getzlaf is an outstanding player, and will be their star next season i think. Of their young guys i originally thought Penner would be that guy...but its Geztlaf. (not that i dont think Penner will be really good mind you..) But on your topic of cross checking, honestly i view it as part of the game. Using the lumber has ALWAYS been part of the game! Yes its a penalty but its not a cut and dry one, we see tons of crosschecks that dont get called. I dont see anything wrong with the way he plays. i like how getzlaf plays. but mark my words, perry will light the lamp more then getzlaf. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted June 8, 2007 Even though the Ducks won the 2 games Pronger was suspended in, you could make a strong case that he was a final piece to help the Ducks have a solid regular season and win the Stanley Cup. While I barely saw the Ducks play this year during the regular season, I wouldn't really know if Pronger was "the main difference-maker" in getting the Ducks to where they were in the playoffs. He did a large share of helping out though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BringHomeTheCup! 0 Report post Posted June 8, 2007 Pronger wasn't the missing piece. If he was, Edmonton, St. Louis, and Hartford all would have won a Cup with him on the team. How is that true? As I said before, I find it difficult to say one player was the 'missing piece', however, how would those teams not winning mean Pronger wasn't the 'missing piece' on THIS team? I can honestly say that I'd rather not have The Cup than have Pronger on the Wings. Some people don't care about the type of player who is on their team, or the team's style of play. Those are the 2 most important things for me. That's why I love the Wings so much, they have "classy" leadership and play the best style of hockey in the NHL. Pronger does none of those things for me. Congrats to you and your Ducks, and keep Pronger till he retires. This is what I don't understand. Pronger has never done anything that resulted in anything near as bad as what happened with Bertuzzi and Moore. Yet just about everyone here was either excited about getting Bert, or suddenly forgave him. Since that whole thing happened, I've maintained the stance that there is no way to know 100% for sure if Bert broke Moore's neck. It could have just as easily been the pileup on top of Moore that did the trick. Regardless, here is something you are forgetting. Detroit has unbelievable leadership. That's something that Edmonton, St. Louis, and the Ducks just didn't/don't have. Any player who puts on a Red Wings sweater is instantly responsible for his actions. Don't think for a minute that Pronger would get away with what he did in the playoffs if he were wearing a Detroit sweater. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted June 8, 2007 We're complete opposites then, as I think the Ducks play the best style of hockey in the NHL. I have a hard time believing your statement about Pronger though, are you sure you didnt feel exactly the same about Todd Bertuzzi a few years ago? Honestly when I think about it, I have to admit would love a Detroit team built like the Ducks. Rough and tumble, winning games, dropping the gloves. F*ck the rest of the league attitude. I can't really pretend I'd frown upon that kind of stuff for Detroit considering the Bruise Brothers days and how much fun it was to watch the Wings. I'd love them to be a big, nasty, tough team that knows how to win. The major thing I wouldn't want was all the stupid crap they whined about through the season and the playoffs, mostly Pronger and Burke. And I still don't think I'd want Pronger on the team. He's a great defenseman, but I'd be embarrassed to have him and his elbows pulling that crap and then blaming it on the canadian media. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WNYHockeyFan 0 Report post Posted June 8, 2007 (edited) Honestly when I think about it, I have to admit would love a Detroit team built like the Ducks. Rough and tumble, winning games, dropping the gloves. F*ck the rest of the league attitude. I can't really pretend I'd frown upon that kind of stuff for Detroit considering the Bruise Brothers days and how much fun it was to watch the Wings. I'd love them to be a big, nasty, tough team that knows how to win. The major thing I wouldn't want was all the stupid crap they whined about through the season and the playoffs, mostly Pronger and Burke. And I still don't think I'd want Pronger on the team. He's a great defenseman, but I'd be embarrassed to have him and his elbows pulling that crap and then blaming it on the canadian media. Fairest appraisal I've seen yet I'd much rather have him on my team (fortunately we do), then have to play agaisnt him. Did he make the differance? Maybe. I say this to anyone who thinks that the Ducks aren't going to be a force to be reckoned with in the next 2-3 years is fooling themselves... Oh yeah, plus they will have the guy soon: http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/bobby_ryan he very well could be a force for years to come. As noted in other threads the youngsters are all 27 or younger and the vets aren't really that old yet. What I'm hoping for next year is a return engagement in the playoffs of the Wings and the Ducks. The NHL needs a good rivalry, maybe the Ducks vs. the Wngs as the new one? Clean, hard hitting hockey. Edited June 8, 2007 by WNYHockeyFan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted June 8, 2007 (edited) I would take Pronger in a heartbeat. There have been two posters who have said they would abandon the wings if the Wings got Pronger - who did these "fans" root for when the Wings had Ulf Samuelsson? Great post, Harold. Spot on. Edited June 8, 2007 by micah Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duckette 0 Report post Posted June 8, 2007 The real question is: Where is the missing piece between Proger's two front teeth. ROTFLOL! Thanks for the laugh I don't think it was the skill of Pronger so much that was the missing piece, but the amount of confidence he brought to his team. He allowed the Ducks to be comfortable enough to go to that next level and not worry so much about possible mistakes. We can win without Pronger, we've shown that. But the confidence that is brought to the team with his name on the roster is irreplaceable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
glasgowcelticwing 18 Report post Posted June 8, 2007 I really hate Pronger . But if you take his cheapshot's out of his game , he can be a very effective player. but I don't think he was the missing piece . The past few year's the Duck's have slowly but surely been building a Cup contender. IMO the missing piece was the young player's in the team . guy's like Getzlaf , Penner and alltho it make's me sick saying this even Perry , they stepped up and made this team that little bit better than they have been in previous season's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hull is God 3 Report post Posted June 8, 2007 I'd like to know if there was a spike in TV sales in Edmonton the day after the Ducks won due to various inanimate objects (remote controls, hockey pucks, etc...) being thrown at Lauren Pronger when she walked into the picture while they were interviewing Chris. I wonder where she's going to let him play next year? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted June 8, 2007 (edited) I'd like to know if there was a spike in TV sales in Edmonton the day after the Ducks won due to various inanimate objects (remote controls, hockey pucks, etc...) being thrown at Lauren Pronger when she walked into the picture while they were interviewing Chris. I wonder where she's going to let him play next year? As for next year? She'll want to move to Florida, so the Panthers will be his next team. Edited June 8, 2007 by Kp-Wings Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duckette 0 Report post Posted June 8, 2007 As for next year? She'll want to move to Florida, so the Panthers will be his next team. C'mon! If he's goin' anywhere in FL it's definitely Tampa! Don't worry, they both said after the game they weren't leaving this time ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lou_Siffer 1 Report post Posted June 8, 2007 Honestly when I think about it, I have to admit would love a Detroit team built like the Ducks. Rough and tumble, winning games, dropping the gloves. F*ck the rest of the league attitude. I can't really pretend I'd frown upon that kind of stuff for Detroit considering the Bruise Brothers days and how much fun it was to watch the Wings. I'd love them to be a big, nasty, tough team that knows how to win. The major thing I wouldn't want was all the stupid crap they whined about through the season and the playoffs, mostly Pronger and Burke. And I still don't think I'd want Pronger on the team. He's a great defenseman, but I'd be embarrassed to have him and his elbows pulling that crap and then blaming it on the canadian media. I really think their style is very entertaining. Theres a little something for everybody, they have alot of skill to appease the skill lovers, and they have a plethora of physical guys and toughness for guys like me. Its a total package. What they got going is really a great blend of the two and what makes them succesful. I just wish we could see the day where the Wings took a page out of their book and surrounded Zetterberg and Datsyuk with a bunch of guys that play tough and nasty. I just dont think it'll ever happen though with Holland, he simply just doesnt support that type of game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted June 8, 2007 I'd like to know if there was a spike in TV sales in Edmonton the day after the Ducks won due to various inanimate objects (remote controls, hockey pucks, etc...) being thrown at Lauren Pronger when she walked into the picture while they were interviewing Chris. I wonder where she's going to let him play next year? Sorry, for me Pronger is still the biggest ****** from that situation. Even if it is true that you're leaving because you're wife doesn't want to live there anymore, you don't sell her out like that and let her take the heat. Be a friggin man about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted June 9, 2007 What did Pronger say about his wife? I am somewhat aware that it was his wife that wanted outta Edmonton - or so that's what I've gathered from different hockey related sites...Truth be told - why would any sensible woman want her husband to demand a trade, just after he arrived there several months prior, had a good report with the team, & was a fan favorite at the time...I mean she did know he was a hockey player - right? Many teams located in cold weather cities - right? He makes bundles of $$$ which can be used to buy a summer home wherever, a condo for the relatives/in-laws, and a $25,000 credit card - right? So why the demand for a trade/move? She's gotta realise that this career of his doesn't last very long, & it means alot to Canadian boys whom dream of playing in the NHL, & that ya don't want to drag yourself thru the $h!t of being looked upon as a jerk for making these demands, & risk your career - right? Women We can't really know the innerworkings of why she wanted to move, if that was true, etc. At first he said it was family matters, or something like that. People insinuated it was her, and he never really provided any reason. Then things sort of died down a little and he whined to the press about all the speculation. Basically even if it was her that wanted to go, I just think he should man up and take the wrap. Give the fans some reason and let them hate you. Quash the rumors about it being because your wife wants to leave. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted June 9, 2007 (edited) McCabe is worshiped in T.O. by fans, coaching staff, & teammates alike I cannot agree with that statement at all. Leafs fans hate McCabe. Just ask MacK_Attack, he'll tell you. C'mon! If he's goin' anywhere in FL it's definitely Tampa! Don't worry, they both said after the game they weren't leaving this time ... Miami has so many more golf courses though. It'll be a good way for old Chris to kill time when he gets eliminated from the playoffs. Edited June 9, 2007 by Kp-Wings Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RockyMountainWingGal 108 Report post Posted June 9, 2007 Good question. I guess I don't think so. The Ducks were in the WCF last year and imo should have beaten the Oilers. In fact, the more I think about it, the Wings, Sharks, and Ducks should have all beated the Oil - wierd sh*& happens in hockey... No doubt he helped in the regular season and is a big reason they secured the #2 seed - and home ice for all but the Wings. The team played so well both games w/o him, it's hard to say how critical he really was. But it's team effort and no doubt he gave them an edge. Just think about it though, if his antics had backfired, and the Ducks had wound up losing one of his suspension games, and one of those series, they'd be talking about how he cost them the Cup...it's a fine line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted June 9, 2007 (edited) Hmm - must be a love/hate deal with McCabe then...Whenever I chat with the folks on the Maple Leaf board (from the Leaf Nation site) the majority seem to like/love the guy...I've been to T.O. twice in the past 4 years - catching Leaf games while there, & I've seen many #25 McCabe jerseys, & hear alot of applause when the PA guy mentions his name...Then again I don't live there so there could very well be some growing animosity towards him since he signed that big $$$ contract, & had a so-so 2006-2007 season. It was when he got his big contract was when the hate began. Mostly it's not McCabe's fault though: It's JFJ's fault because he is, now that Mike Milbury and Mike O'Connell are gone, the worst GM in the league. He doesn't know how to negotiate a normal contract, so he overpays up the ass and completely gives in just to keep them. It's not that McCabe is a bad player: It's just his defensive lapses are put under the microscope because he's now one of the highest paid defenseman in the league. He basically makes as much as a Norris Trophy calibre defenseman would make, if that's any indication to how bad a GM JFJ is. Again: McCabe isn't a bad player, but he's not worth the money he currently makes. That's probably why he isn't exactly a fan favorite up there anymore. Edited June 9, 2007 by Kp-Wings Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kira 451 Report post Posted June 9, 2007 I say he's more of a Missing Link...the creature type. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
