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#61 Vladinator

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Posted 08 June 2007 - 09:42 AM

I'm not a fan of Bettman's by any means, but this is a bit ridiculous.

1) Bettman works for the owners. HE DOES WHAT THEY TELL HIM TO DO. Any changes that he makes come with the approval of the majority of the owners in the NHL or the change doesn't happen.

2) The salary cap was a needed evil in the NHL. There were far too many teams that had pretty much no shot at EVER winning a cup. You cannot operate a league where that is the case and have continued success.

3) The league did not let Anaheim win the cup. Anaheim won the cup on their own.

4) Without teams in the South and on the West Coast, the NHL has absolutely no chance of EVER competing with the other 3 major sports leagues.

5) As much as I hate VS, ESPN had the chance to match the offer. THEY TURNED IT DOWN. The NHL had no choice except to take the best offer on the table. Doing otherwise would make absolutely no sense.

6) Having small market teams win the Cup doesn't kill the game. The Oilers won 5 cups, aren't they a small market team? Pittsburgh won a couple of cups, then almost had to fold the team. Both of these are small hockey markets, but I would bet that the finals series that they participated in had pretty good ratings compared to other years. Look at football, Green Bay is a very small market, yet they are also a very successful franchise. The same can happen in hockey with proper marketing and some patience.


We are all upset that the Wings didn't win the cup, but it's past time to stop looking for excuses and start looking forward to next season. The league didn't stack the deck against the Wings, they instead evened the playing field for everyone, which is how it should be.


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Posted 08 June 2007 - 10:15 AM

QUOTE(Hockeytown0001 @ June 7, 2007 - 12:10PM) View Post

So this is the third year in a row that the most revered trophy in all of sports has been claimed by a non-traditional hockey market with fans who had no clue about the team that won it during the regular season. For the third year in a row, Bettman had a huge smile on his face at the conclusion of the SCF. Has anyone told him what the ratings of the SCF this year were? I didn't think they could get any worse than they did in 04, and then in 06. But apparently, when team from Southern California (which is the worst hockey market on Earth) makes the Finals, interest drops to a whole new low. I remember an article saying that the best thing for hockey would be to have a Detroit/New York SCF, because the ratings would be high due to the fact that the Wings are the most poplular American hockey team, and you know that New York is passionate about hockey as well. Most fans in Anaheim will forget about the Ducks come next week. I had a friend from Southern California who thought the Cup was filled with money and would be cracked open like a piniatta. crazy.gif Anyone remember that "Ducks are playing the Canadian team, the 'Minnesota Royals' thing?

And don't even get me started on the officiating. I almost can't watch hockey sometimes because of some of the calls made out there that change the game around. (Even some of the calls that benefit the Wings, I was in shock over.) Perfect example? At the end of Game 5.

Gary Bettman has brought hockey morality for the real fans in the league to an all time low. Seeing Pronger raise the Cup was bad enough, but that the Cup will now be defaced with the words "Anaheim Ducks" on it is almost unthinkable. They might as well put Mickey Mouse and Goofy on there as well. You know he's a hated man when even the Ducks "fans" booed him as he entered last night. Remember when he had to say "It's ok, I bring gifts"? They should be worshipping him like the second coming of Jesus. He's one of the main reasons why the Ducks and other non-traditional teams have won. His first screw up was to put teams in places like Miami, Anaheim, Los Angeles (The only reason they are still around today was because of Gretzky), Tampa Bay, and Nashville, who could barely sell 3/4 of their tickets this season despite their top ranking in the standings for so long. Was Gary asleep when this came out, or did he just pretend not to notice?

Either he just doesn't have a clue, or he was tired of having teams like Detroit and Colorado and Jersey dominate year after year. Hello? It's sports, and there will always be dominating teams, no matter what. Deal with it. Look at San Antonio in the NBA. Uh oh, the Spurs are too good, we better make a salary cap so the Charlotte Bobcats can have a chance and those selfish Spurs will finally crash! You wouldn't have this problem, Gary, if you didn't put teams in those markets where people couldn't give a flying rat about those teams. I'm glad that Pittsburgh didn't move to Kansas City. Before moving back to MI in 03, I lived there for 9 years, and their minor league team, the Blades (which featured future NHL'er Patrick Lalime and Ray Whitney) had to fold due to a total lack of fan interest.

Once again Gary, thank you for screwing the best game on Earth, and a sincere thank you from all of us real fans for screwing us as well. You thought you were saving the sport? It's in even worse shape than it was in 04.



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Dude, check your calender it ain't 1957, its 2007. What the hell do you want them to just award the cup to an original 6 team every year. Maybe have a consolation Cup the other 26 teams could play for.

If you're a true hockey fan you want the sport to grow. You don't want it to just flourish in 16 markets. Yeah, maybe the league could contract or move 2 teams but that's another ball of wax. If you want the sport to grow those markets that aren't hot have to get hot. The growth of hockey isn't going to take place in Detroit or Montreal or Toronto. Its taking place in areas like Dallas where youth hockey has blossomed thanks to the Stars move. It took place when Gretz was in LA. Its taking place in Cali where the Sharks and Ducks are 2 great teams that are starting to generate excitement. As for the Cap, s*** was getting out of control. Hockey players used to be above it all and then one day we woke up and suddenly players were holding out, refusing to come to camp, wanting to renegotiate. They turned into the same athletes that other sports have in regards to money. So be it I don't begrudge them that. But in the aim to improve the sport and make it a little more even they got a cap. Look at the NFL, the most popular sport in the US, they got a cap and week to week almost any team can beat any other team and that makes fans excited, even in somewhat crappy locales. I hate Bettman as much as the next guy but I think even if it wasn't Bettman we were headed in this direction anyway.

Now that the Cap is here and now that its no longer just Detroit, Colorado, New Jersey, I think the league can do great things. Its baby steps. You don't build up huge fan bases overnight. A tradition of being competitive and winning brings fans and the more fans we bring in the better the sport will be. However, that being said its up to the NHL now to market the sport aggressively and to be inventive. Putting analysts alongside the benches, talking more to the players, showcasing the players, going behind the scenes its all good stuff imo. One step at a time.
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Posted 08 June 2007 - 10:41 AM

QUOTE(Vladinator @ June 8, 2007 - 07:42AM) View Post

I'm not a fan of Bettman's by any means, but this is a bit ridiculous.

1) Bettman works for the owners. HE DOES WHAT THEY TELL HIM TO DO. Any changes that he makes come with the approval of the majority of the owners in the NHL or the change doesn't happen.

2) The salary cap was a needed evil in the NHL. There were far too many teams that had pretty much no shot at EVER winning a cup. You cannot operate a league where that is the case and have continued success.

3) The league did not let Anaheim win the cup. Anaheim won the cup on their own.

4) Without teams in the South and on the West Coast, the NHL has absolutely no chance of EVER competing with the other 3 major sports leagues.

5) As much as I hate VS, ESPN had the chance to match the offer. THEY TURNED IT DOWN. The NHL had no choice except to take the best offer on the table. Doing otherwise would make absolutely no sense.

6) Having small market teams win the Cup doesn't kill the game. The Oilers won 5 cups, aren't they a small market team? Pittsburgh won a couple of cups, then almost had to fold the team. Both of these are small hockey markets, but I would bet that the finals series that they participated in had pretty good ratings compared to other years. Look at football, Green Bay is a very small market, yet they are also a very successful franchise. The same can happen in hockey with proper marketing and some patience.
We are all upset that the Wings didn't win the cup, but it's past time to stop looking for excuses and start looking forward to next season. The league didn't stack the deck against the Wings, they instead evened the playing field for everyone, which is how it should be.


I only disagree with you on points 1 and 2.

1) This is a common point brought about Bettman that I wholeheartedly disagree with. That's like saying Illitch does what the Little Caesar's franchise owners tell him to do. Ultimately Bettman is responsible for the state of the game. The owners run franchises in the National Hockey League. Yes he is there for the owners, but if he had any passion, leadership and knowledge for the game he would be able to minimize the damage a few cheap-ass short sighted owners are doing to the league.

He should be able to convince a few of these idiots that in the short term some of the decisions may not seem advantageous to their franchise, but would increase the overall popularity and health of the league. Which in the end would definitely help their franchise.

Bettman is the highest ranking executive of the NHL. If he's not ultimately responsible for the state of the NHL, who is?

2) A cap was probably an eventuality since many owners had proven they don't know how to run a successful franchise. Again, a better commisioner probably could've gotten the job done without costing a full season. (Goodenow is a big part in that too) Furthermore the cap was WAAAY to restrictive. Once they broke the union, it became a money grab by the owners. Extremely restrictive cap, linkage, welfare system, terrible schedule that saves travel costs...

A cap with more wiggle room should reward franchises like Detroit, Colorado, etc. where the owners have built a popular, successful franchise. Instead of placing the same limitations on them as owners who needed a minimum spending limit so they would at least pretend they were trying to be competitive. As I've said before, parity is not necessarily a good thing.

The Wings are a popular team across the country, especially a few years back. That's not entirely because of Michiganders who've moved. People love winners. They love the powerhouse teams. The epic battles year after year between Colorado and Detroit. That familiarity and those powerhouse teams makes the sport more popular.

Being able to spend more money doesn't guarantee that the big market teams will always win. (rangers) But it gives the successfull franchises the opportunity to have a strong team for more than a year. It rewards them for actually having a popular, successful team.

Edited by haroldsnepsts, 08 June 2007 - 10:44 AM.


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Posted 08 June 2007 - 03:09 PM

I think Gary Bettman should have a statue erected of him... as a definition of an ******* for the whole of time to see.

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Posted 08 June 2007 - 10:37 PM

QUOTE(uk_redwing @ June 8, 2007 - 03:09PM) View Post

I think Gary Bettman should have a statue erected of him... as a definition of an ******* for the whole of time to see.

And what good would be accomplsihed of that? Seems like a waste of time to me. I'd rather Bettman and company work on improving the NHL rather than create a structure of a rear.





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