Oilers / Nylander Mess

[zaxx 0]

I have not seen this mess posted on the forums as of yet and I have been waiting to hear what you guys think. I am sure you guys have heard or read about the crazy situation so where do you think things will go?

http://www.tsn.ca/headlines/news_story/?ID=212659

Summery: Basically on July 1st the Oilers and Nylander's Agent agreed via e-mail to a contract. Edmonton sent over the standard players agreement and then on July 2nd it was announced that Nylander signed with Washington for less money. Nylander has since said (or his agent spoke on his behalf) that he was not interested in the cold climate of Edmonton both for himself and his family.

Update: TSN compared this to the 1995 contract negotiation between our beloved Wings and the great Mike Vernon. Back then Detroit and Vernon's agent came to terms on a two year contract. Detroit faxed over a statement of agreement. However after this the Wings changed their minds and proposed a 1 year contract. It caused quite the mess since Vernon and his agent wanted it at 2 years and they had an informal written agreement. Well it was a bit of a fight and when an arbitrator final was called in to look into the incident the arbitrator ruled in Detroit's favour. Since no contract was signed nothing was official.

What do you think will happen this time? Will Nylander be labelled a trouble maker and next time his contract expires will teams think twice and even go so far as to black list him?

[Yzerfan1999 81]

I doesnt seem like anything was formal. Nylander didnt SIGN anything, just agreed verbally..or electronically i guess. Its a s***ty thing to do (go back and chose a different contract) but Lowe hasnt been able to do SH*T this offseason and he is looking for excuses.

Time to STFU Lowe, and start making some moves. The Oilers are going to be WORSE then last year.

[drw13 0]

Even if the Oilers win, would they really want him on their team? Its not that big a deal he'll end up having to pay some money to them for breach of contract; yes, verbally saying yes without signing does count. Verbal contract my friend, a very powerful legal tool.

[Kp-Wings 3]

I'm surprised it's Lowe and not MacTavish whining.

Yeah, you should have seen that coming.

[Production Line 1]

Nylander should be an oiler...The hockey gods will see it to...

[Hank 0]

Not sure if anyone else caught this on Rogers Sportsnet but it's been reported that Prongers wife spoke with the Nylanders about life in Edmonton. It sounds like Mrs.Schlonger referred to it as "Siberia" and said their family wouldn't be happy living there. That's what caused Nylander to find another offer and eventually take $2.5M less to sign with the Caps.

I know that some people might think of Edmonton as 'cold' and 'distant' but that couldn't be further from the truth. Sure, it gets cold there in the winters but it's absolutely beautiful country. If you're an LA socialite, then yes, you'll hate it. But I can't imagine anyone that would rather raise their kids in the murder capital of America over one of the most beautiful, quiet and quant cities in Canada.

Lowe also expressed frustrations with how Edmonton is percieved and mentioned that they may hire a concierge for the families of new players to help the transition. He's also talking about tendering offers to RFA's.

It sounds like he's getting pretty desperate.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/article.jsp...705_130438_4996

P.S. For those wondering, Nylander and Pronger were teammates in Hartford in the mid 90's. It sounds like they became friends and still remain close.

Edited July 6, 2007 by Hank

[Viperar 16]

Nylander should be an oiler...The hockey gods will see it to...

no they wont, the hockey gods have given to the caps, and he'll stay there. Theres nothing formal here. He signed with the caps get over it. Will the oilers really want some guy who doesnt want to be there on their team?

[OsGOD 3]

E-mail agreements can be legaling binding... I know we have some lawyers in here... but this is my take from my paralegal/cyber law class last year:

At What Point Does the Contract Become Binding?

The general rule is that a contract is formed once the acceptance is communicated. At that point, both parties are bound by the contract. The exception to this is known as the mailbox rule, which says that an acceptance sent by mail becomes effective when mailed, not when received. This rule applies to contract acceptance only. This means that once a letter of acceptance has been mailed, the offer cannot be revoked even if the offeror has not yet received the acceptance.

Does E-Mail Fall Under the Mailbox Rule?

The courts have not clearly decided whether an acceptance by e-mail becomes valid when sent or when received. Instantaneous forms of communication such as faxes and telex communications do not fall under the mailbox rule, so acceptance by these methods is only valid when received.

I would say... I would think he is still an Oil... if the events went down as described. Especially since the Oils received the acceptance and sent out the papers to the already accepted contract.

Edited July 6, 2007 by OsGOD

[Production Line 1]

no they wont, the hockey gods have given to the caps, and he'll stay there. Theres nothing formal here. He signed with the caps get over it. Will the oilers really want some guy who doesnt want to be there on their team?

I don't NEED to get over it. And I really don't care...He is a keeper for a nemisis in my fantasy league and if he's an oiler, he won't keep him and settle for less of a center...Also read OsGODS following post...

E-mail agreements can be legaling binding... I know we have some lawyers in here... but this is my take from my paralegal/cyber law class last year:

At What Point Does the Contract Become Binding?

The general rule is that a contract is formed once the acceptance is communicated. At that point, both parties are bound by the contract. The exception to this is known as the mailbox rule, which says that an acceptance sent by mail becomes effective when mailed, not when received. This rule applies to contract acceptance only. This means that once a letter of acceptance has been mailed, the offer cannot be revoked even if the offeror has not yet received the acceptance.

Does E-Mail Fall Under the Mailbox Rule?

The courts have not clearly decided whether an acceptance by e-mail becomes valid when sent or when received. Instantaneous forms of communication such as faxes and telex communications do not fall under the mailbox rule, so acceptance by these methods is only valid when received.

I would say... I would think he is still an Oil... if the events went down as described. Especially since the Oils received the acceptance and sent out the papers to the already accepted contract.

Thank you OsGOD. When both sides sign the papers send them to each other, to me thats a signed contract. Because it was not submitted before the second signing should not mean the first is.nt a binding contract...Again this is how I heard it went down.

[zaxx 0]

I agree with the what someone else said. Even if Nylander was forced to play for the OIlers there is no way in hell they would want him. Sure he would be professional and try but at the same time his heart would be out of it. That does not help any team (Lang) lol

The reason Lowe is complaining and not Mctavich is that his job is on the line and he is feeling the heat now. He was likely given a budget and positions to fill. Now it looks like he failed to perform his duties. We shall see if he can keep his job but wow that is all crazy.

I saw on tv something about the oilers offering similar numbers to some big name players who stated they would not play in Edmonton because they did not like the cold/city. (Druy, and the like). If this is now the city is being viewed then the mayor should be approached to try to change that. The oilers shoud hire someone to help the players make the transition but at the same time begin talking with the fans and the city to come up with a game plan that helps them both succeed.

As for the people who said that the e-mail should be an informal contract. I expect that since the league states that without a players contract signed nothing is final Nylander will never be an Oiler. I sure would love to see Nylander and his agent fined by the league for the unprofessional behaviour. However just like the Detroit case from 1995, I expect nothing to actually happen except some angry individuals and hopefully some big changes in Edmonton.

Just my 2 cents on this developing situation.

What can Edmonton do to improve their image (speed up global warming??)

[Yzerfan1999 81]

Nylander will be a Capital next season. The only thing the Oilers can hope for is some kind of compensation from the league. A draft pick or cash perhaps, i guess we will see. I haven't heard anything about the leagues actions towards the situation as of yet - so I wonder if they will even do anything.

[Lilja 0]

In a swedish newspaper Nylander admits to changing his mind at a very late stage, even if nothing formally was final. TheCaps offered him a worse contract but he preferred Washington because the climate is better and because its easier to have friends and family over from sweden.

Not sure but I probably also read something about Ovechkin.

[SweWings 45]

I'd choose the Caps if only to play with Ovechkin and Semin...

[theman19 47]

the caps will have to give some kind of payback to the oilers. This has happened before.

[zaxx 0]

the caps will have to give some kind of payback to the oilers. This has happened before.

Really? When did it happen, and which teams were involved?