A good update from Holland

[Normy P 0]

If we are looking to add a little toughness, I do believe Darren Mc Carty is available and would come real cheap. I for one would love to see him back in Hockeytown where he belongs!

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

If we are looking to add a little toughness, I do believe Darren Mc Carty is available and would come real cheap. I for one would love to see him back in Hockeytown where he belongs!

I'm all for adding toughness, but Darren McCarty is no longer the same player he was during the Cup years in Detroit.

08-Apr-07: Missed 47 games (hip injury).

27-Dec-06: Hip injury, sidelined indefinitely.

19-Oct-06: Missed 2 games (groin).

14-Oct-06: Groin, day-to-day.

07-Apr-06: Missed 3 games (groin).

01-Apr-06: Groin, day-to-day.

31-Mar-06: Missed 2 games (back injury).

26-Mar-06: Back injury, day-to-day.

09-Mar-06: Missed 1 game (flu).

07-Mar-06: Flu, day-to-day.

31-Dec-05: Missed 3 games (hip flexor).

26-Dec-05: Hip flexor, day-to-day.

01-Nov-05: Missed 4 games (head injury).

23-Oct-05: Head injury, day-to-day.

[uk_redwing 495]

If we are looking to add a little toughness, I do believe Darren Mc Carty is available and would come real cheap. I for one would love to see him back in Hockeytown where he belongs!

It would be like when Liverpool re-signed legend Robbie Fowler for one last season at Anfield as a sentimental gesture. He wasnt as good as he was, nor was he as good as other squad players, but he still got alot of games and scored goals.

My point being, apart from the fact Liverpool FC rule, a sentimental signing can be good sometimes... EPL teams dont have salary caps or anything like that though... Ive gone a little off subject

[Guest DetroitIan]

If we are looking to add a little toughness, I do believe Darren Mc Carty is available and would come real cheap. I for one would love to see him back in Hockeytown where he belongs!

Only problem is D-Mac isnt what he once was. His fighting ability has basically completely left him. And although he is still a tough player, he's been pretty injury prone lately. Its almost like his body cant take the same punishment anymore. I'll always love McCarty. And he will always be a Red Wing at heart. But unfortunately his time has definitely passed in Hockeytown....

Edited July 6, 2007 by DetroitIan

[Lou_Siffer 1]

"Toughness is like pitching in baseball, you can't have enough of it."

And in our case, you just can't have any of it!

Dare i say...he struck out?

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

I'm all for adding toughness, but Darren McCarty is no longer the same player he was during the Cup years in Detroit.

I know he's pretty injury prone now. I guess it'd be a dream to have him playing with Drapes and Malts again , all of them playing like they did back in the glory days.

[Guest DetroitIan]

I know he's pretty injury prone now. I guess it'd be a dream to have him playing with Drapes and Malts again , all of them playing like they did back in the glory days.

Honestly, that would probably bring a tear to my eye. To have the original grind line back and playing great together again would definitely be a dream come true.

Edited July 6, 2007 by DetroitIan

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

Dare i say...he struck out?

The puns arent helping

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

I know he's pretty injury prone now. I guess it'd be a dream to have him playing with Drapes and Malts again , all of them playing like they did back in the glory days.

I hear you. But the reality is if they got together, Drapes is about the only one who's still playing close to his old self.

[Guest DetroitIan]

I hear you. But the reality is if they got together, Drapes is about the only one who's still playing close to his old self.

I agree. Maltby is a great penalty killer and all. But I personally think we need to eventually fill his roster spot. I know it wont be this season. But I certainly hope it happens sooner than later. Maltby just doesnt bring enough to the table.

[scissorfight 0]

would be nice to deal one of lebda/lilja for a late round pick or something and then sign markov

i know people here are high on lebda and i know lilja stepped up pretty well in the playoffs, but the bottom line is we have too many 5,6 and 7 postion dmen and we need a legit top 4 right now.

if it was up to me i'd deal lebda and play cheli-lilja on the 6th pairing.

lidstrom-markov

rafalski-kronwall

cheli-lilja

kindl-quincey

looks good to me. lilja is still effective on the PK and he could have a good year when playing against 3rd/4th lines on the 3rd pairing with cheli. lebda doesn't really do anything for us. 99% of the time his great skating amounts to very little, he's the only dman that will get almost no special teams time, and we've got enough undersized dmen. he's simply the most expendable. i know he's got a decent contract for us for 3 yrs but let's face it: he's not top 4 material and if kindl isn't already knocking on the door for a spot this year, he surely will be next year.

[uk_redwing 495]

would be nice to deal one of lebda/lilja for a late round pick or something and then sign markov

i know people here are high on lebda and i know lilja stepped up pretty well in the playoffs, but the bottom line is we have too many 5,6 and 7 postion dmen and we need a legit top 4 right now.

if it was up to me i'd deal lebda and play cheli-lilja on the 6th pairing.

lidstrom-markov

rafalski-kronwall

cheli-lilja

kindl-quincey

looks good to me. lilja is still effective on the PK and he could have a good year when playing against 3rd/4th lines on the 3rd pairing with cheli. lebda doesn't really do anything for us. 99% of the time his great skating amounts to very little, he's the only dman that will get almost no special teams time, and we've got enough undersized dmen. he's simply the most expendable. i know he's got a decent contract for us for 3 yrs but let's face it: he's not top 4 material and if kindl isn't already knocking on the door for a spot this year, he surely will be next year.

NOOOOOO Lilja is the closest thing to a tough player we have! And hes our only chance at a decent fight.... LILJA FOR 1st D LINE!!

[scissorfight 0]

NOOOOOO Lilja is the closest thing to a tough player we have! And hes our only chance at a decent fight.... LILJA FOR 1st D LINE!!

i mentioned various reasons as to why i thought we should keep lilja over lebda...but if you're thinking of a lidstrom-lilja combo again...well, i'm still having nightmares from the edmonton series. *shudder*

[DaWingsin071 4]

For the people say we need McCarty back, I would rather see Lang back ,thats how bad it is. Why might I say this well my sisters friend's b/f plays minor league hockey for Calagary's minor league team. I know some of you clowns are gonna spout off that your sisters, brothers, dad' is fake. But whatever. Any who I talked to him one night at the bars and asked him about players on Calagary, I said so whats the deal on D-Mac how is he doing. He told me not so good he said he is a huge gambler, say's he goes out every night and gambles. Reason why he went bankrupt, and also said he is way out of shape. So bringing back Mac might be a good idea for some but for me I will pass.

I want younger hungrier players. Oh and ones who are in shape.

GO WINGS

[Lou_Siffer 1]

Speaking of the whole toughness/pitching comparison, Holland was just in the Tigers broadcast booth. Christ...I cant get away from this guy!!

Edited July 6, 2007 by Lou_Siffer

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

please STFU about O'Neil. He's softer than French cheese

Did you really just tell me that? Over thinking O'Neil could do good on this team?

[Yzerfan1999 81]

"Holland says that the Wings really did the Ducks on the ropes in the third round, and the injuries to Schneider and Kronwall played a large part in their loss, but the playoffs showed that their playoffs will fight through it, but they need to be able to 'give it' ".

What? Either Holland was drunk when he said this or he is a dirty man.

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

"Toughness is like pitching in baseball, you can't have enough of it."

And in our case, you just can't have any of it!

HAHA

personal opionen buddy, Don't tell someone to stfu over it...

Exactly.

Love your ava!

[YoungGuns1340 1]

For the people say we need McCarty back, I would rather see Lang back ,thats how bad it is. Why might I say this well my sisters friend's b/f plays minor league hockey for Calagary's minor league team. I know some of you clowns are gonna spout off that your sisters, brothers, dad' is fake. But whatever. Any who I talked to him one night at the bars and asked him about players on Calagary, I said so whats the deal on D-Mac how is he doing. He told me not so good he said he is a huge gambler, say's he goes out every night and gambles. Reason why he went bankrupt, and also said he is way out of shape. So bringing back Mac might be a good idea for some but for me I will pass.

I want younger hungrier players. Oh and ones who are in shape.

GO WINGS

relax with the younger and hungrier. Kronwall, Leba, Quncey or Meech, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Cleary, Grigorenko, Kopecky, Filppula, Franzen, and Hudler are all under 30.

[Heaton 1]

I'm pretty surprised, though I guess I shouldn't be, that people are still believe that the Wings are the "softest" team in the league, especially after last season. We blitzed through Calgary and San Jose without much trouble and had it not been for a few bounces in the Anaheim series we probably would've won the cup. We played the 3 "toughest" teams in the league and beat 2 and barely lost to the third.

I think it's foolish to even think that the Wings are any less "tough" than last season. Losing Markov was a bit of a blow on the backend, but I don't think it is such a major blow that we're going to go from tough enough to beat Calgary and San Jose to 1st round exit, sorry, I liked Markov but he didn't make that much of a difference and neither did Bertuzzi, who I also would've liked to see re-signed at a reasonable price.

If toughness defined is what Calgary is or San Jose is then I don't want to be that because their philosophy doesn't translate into very much at all. If Anaheim is the definition then fine, but our philosophy and gameplan seems to be enough to get us where ever we want.

Our players are now battle tested and they know what it takes to win, a lot of our losses were addition by subtraction. We've gotten tougher by losing players.

Anyone who thinks the Wings are the "softest" team in the league really need to re-watch the playoffs from this year. Every team could always get bigger, stronger, faster, but we're tough enough to compete with anyone.

Edited July 7, 2007 by Heaton

[Kp-Wings 3]

Holland is a moron.

I can already see these players he's negotiating with are going to be some useless, non-gritty scrub centers. Like a Greg Johnson type signing.

Holland's baseball comment was just plain stupid. This team doesn't have any toughness (ok, they have some, but it's very depleted). Why is he so blind to this issue? Why? I don't get it. For him being such a great GM like people always say, he sure has a hard time filling the biggest hole the Wings have had since the lockout ended. God damn it.

Edited July 7, 2007 by Kp-Wings

[Matt 1,049]

Here's to all of you guys who think Holland is twiddling his thumbs.

But -- BUT -- He was watching the TIGERS game tonight and got interviewed during the 3rd inning!!

Why is he NOT MANNING THE PHONES?!?!

/sarcasm

//figured I'd save someone else the trouble

[Kp-Wings 3]

But -- BUT -- He was watching the TIGERS game tonight and got interviewed during the 3rd inning!!

Why is he NOT MANNING THE PHONES?!?!

/sarcasm

//figured I'd save someone else the trouble

Just what I was thinking!

[Matt 1,049]

I'm pretty surprised, though I guess I shouldn't be, that people are still believe that the Wings are the "softest" team in the league, especially after last season. We blitzed through Calgary and San Jose without much trouble and had it not been for a few bounces in the Anaheim series we probably would've won the cup. We played the 3 "toughest" teams in the league and beat 2 and barely lost to the third.

I think it's foolish to even think that the Wings are any less "tough" than last season. Losing Markov was a bit of a blow on the backend, but I don't think it is such a major blow that we're going to go from tough enough to beat Calgary and San Jose to 1st round exit, sorry, I liked Markov but he didn't make that much of a difference and neither did Bertuzzi, who I also would've liked to see re-signed at a reasonable price.

If toughness defined is what Calgary is or San Jose is then I don't want to be that because their philosophy doesn't translate into very much at all. If Anaheim is the definition then fine, but our philosophy and gameplan seems to be enough to get us where ever we want.

Our players are now battle tested and they know what it takes to win, a lot of our losses were addition by subtraction. We've gotten tougher by losing players.

Anyone who thinks the Wings are the "softest" team in the league really need to re-watch the playoffs from this year. Every team could always get bigger, stronger, faster, but we're tough enough to compete with anyone.

QFT. A-friggin'-men.

[Lou_Siffer 1]

I'm pretty surprised, though I guess I shouldn't be, that people are still believe that the Wings are the "softest" team in the league, especially after last season. We blitzed through Calgary and San Jose without much trouble and had it not been for a few bounces in the Anaheim series we probably would've won the cup. We played the 3 "toughest" teams in the league and beat 2 and barely lost to the third.

Well first off, I wouldnt say blitzed. For everyone who talks about Anaheim's "luckiness" in game 5, if Robert Lang doesnt score that cheapy against Nabokov in the closing moments of game 4 what happens with that series? Its 3-1 SJ and probably over. Secondly, Calgary was NOT one of the 3 toughest teams in the league. As you'll agree with, this was not the same Calgary team toughness wise compared to '04. Were they wimpy? Of course not, but they werent the same rough and tumble Flames team of the past. Upfront there wasnt a whole lot aside from Iginla and Primeau. The defense was really where their toughness lied, but again...for everyone who talks about the Schneider injury, Calgary was without Regehr in their series. Did i think the Flames would win? Yes, but im just saying its not the equivalent to beating the '04 version.