Forsberg vs. Fedorov

[Kp-Wings 3]

And he (FEDOROV) is just that...a top 6 forward on any team as well as our team... Bingo Bango issues solved all around.

Quincy better than feds on D... hahahahahahha okay my side hurts I will stop now.

Now if you would have said Lids... then yeah I would not have a stitch in my side right now ... but unproven quincy??? no way jose!

What is this based off of? Because Bowman played Fedorov at defense a few games back in the glory years makes him a better defenseman?

Ok, I understand that Qunicey is unproven, but honestly, I'd rather have Quincey than Fedorov. I have too many other reasons for not liking Fedorov.

[OsGOD 3]

What is this based off of? Because Bowman played Fedorov at defense a few games back in the glory years makes him a better defenseman?

Ok, I understand that Qunicey is unproven, but honestly, I'd rather have Quincey than Fedorov. I have too many other reasons for not liking Fedorov.

based on I have watched Feds continue to play excellent D and more recently exclusively play D for the struggle Blue Jackets.

I understand you would take Quincy becuase you can't stand Sergei... so you would never pic sergei at all... I get that.

Sergei is strong on the point (much stronger than a top 6 forward we have now in Sammy)... Getting feds is an improvement in offense and Defense all around.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

And to put in my contribution to this thread other than being a smart-allec, if it came down to these two at the trade deadline, I'd go with Fedorov. A bit less injury prone as both are in the latter stages of their careers, etc. etc. When healthy, both of these guys can still bring it without question. I just don't see Forsberg staying healthy though, but if he can prove me wrong, good for him. Fedorov gets the slight edge here, but I'm not anticipating either of these guys wearing red and white anytime this season.

[norrisnick 1]

What is this based off of? Because Bowman played Fedorov at defense a few games back in the glory years makes him a better defenseman?

Ok, I understand that Qunicey is unproven, but honestly, I'd rather have Quincey than Fedorov. I have too many other reasons for not liking Fedorov.

Do you consider Scott Niedermayer a great defenseman? The way Fedorov plays center and the way Niedermayer plays defense is nearly identical with the difference that at the faceoff Scott lines up closer to his own net and Sergei takes the draw.

Fedorov has better defensive awareness than 90% of the blueliners in the league. That is not something that goes away with age or declining physical ability (it's the same reason Chelios is still effective now). Jimmy Devellano has stated at many different occasions that had Fedorov played defense full time he'd have won himself a Norris or two. And I fully agree. Niedermayer has won one and finished 2nd twice. Fedorov in his prime was everything Niedermayer is/was and more.

I know a lot of people hate him, and some love him, but the extreme viewpoints being taken are just idiotic. He's not the Fedorov of '94 (no one in the league is) but he's also not Kris ******* Draper.

[Heaton 1]

Do you consider Scott Niedermayer a great defenseman? The way Fedorov plays center and the way Niedermayer plays defense is nearly identical with the difference that at the faceoff Scott lines up closer to his own net and Sergei takes the draw.

Fedorov has better defensive awareness than 90% of the blueliners in the league. That is not something that goes away with age or declining physical ability (it's the same reason Chelios is still effective now). Jimmy Devellano has stated at many different occasions that had Fedorov played defense full time he'd have won himself a Norris or two. And I fully agree. Niedermayer has won one and finished 2nd twice. Fedorov in his prime was everything Niedermayer is/was and more.

I know a lot of people hate him, and some love him, but the extreme viewpoints being taken are just idiotic. He's not the Fedorov of '94 (no one in the league is) but he's also not Kris ******* Draper.

I haven't read this thread at all so forgive me if this has been convered but, there's no way Holland trades for Fedorov with the mindset that he's getting Fedorov the defensemen. Fedorov played pretty well for Columbus on defense last year, but I doubt he'll start the year on defense this year.

[norrisnick 1]

I haven't read this thread at all so forgive me if this has been convered but, there's no way Holland trades for Fedorov with the mindset that he's getting Fedorov the defensemen. Fedorov played pretty well for Columbus on defense last year, but I doubt he'll start the year on defense this year.

I agree completely he'll be acquired by any team as a forward. BUT the fact that he can play solid defense from the blueline is an added bonus. His versatility is very attractive for a GM trying to build a winner. Say we traded for Fedorov (were it his last contract year) as opposed to Bertuzzi last spring. Bertuzzi wasn't doing anything up front worth mentioning and he couldn't do anything to help cover the loss of Schneider and Kronwall. Fedorov could have.

That's Sergei's value.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Do you consider Scott Niedermayer a great defenseman? The way Fedorov plays center and the way Niedermayer plays defense is nearly identical with the difference that at the faceoff Scott lines up closer to his own net and Sergei takes the draw.

Fedorov has better defensive awareness than 90% of the blueliners in the league. That is not something that goes away with age or declining physical ability (it's the same reason Chelios is still effective now). Jimmy Devellano has stated at many different occasions that had Fedorov played defense full time he'd have won himself a Norris or two. And I fully agree. Niedermayer has won one and finished 2nd twice. Fedorov in his prime was everything Niedermayer is/was and more.

I know a lot of people hate him, and some love him, but the extreme viewpoints being taken are just idiotic. He's not the Fedorov of '94 (no one in the league is) but he's also not Kris ******* Draper.

The only thing I remember about Feds playing D in Detroit was that he hated having to do it. Quite honestly, I don't recall what made him so good at it while he was here. What was it that he did so well in his stint on D in Motown? Was he physical? How much did he jump into the play? Was he being comletely responsible defensively or was he cheating alot? I honestly don't remember how well he may have played when he was here on defense.

[norrisnick 1]

The only thing I remember about Feds playing D in Detroit was that he hated having to do it. Quite honestly, I don't recall what made him so good at it while he was here. What was it that he did so well in his stint on D in Motown? Was he physical? How much did he jump into the play? Was he being comletely responsible defensively or was he cheating alot? I honestly don't remember how well he may have played when he was here on defense.

He hated it, but he played it very well. His hatred for the position did not impact his performance.

What made him great at defense is he was Sergei Fedorov out on the ice for an extra 5 minutes per game. He played D as he played forward. Great skating, great puck movement, completely responsible. Again, everything NIedermayer does/did, Fedorov did just as well but he had better hands and a better shot. He played rover all over the ice but his skating allowed him to rove and not get caught.

[Offsides 21]

We could also definitely use a great player on our point for the PP.

[Chase 0]

He hated it, but he played it very well. His hatred for the position did not impact his performance.

What made him great at defense is he was Sergei Fedorov out on the ice for an extra 5 minutes per game. He played D as he played forward. Great skating, great puck movement, completely responsible. Again, everything NIedermayer does/did, Fedorov did just as well but he had better hands and a better shot. He played rover all over the ice but his skating allowed him to rove and not get caught.

Yup, exactly.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

We could also definitely use a great player on our point for the PP.

We already have 2 great players on the point in Rafalski and Lidstrom. Kronwall doesn't have a great shot, but he's not bad on the point either as a puck mover. Most teams in the league don't have that kind of talent on the point, so there' s no reason to bring Fedorov in for that reason. Also, I doubt that any other teams' fans are asking for their team to sign Fedorov because he can play any position and was once a great player. He hasn't been a motivated player for years, and I can't remember ever seeing a guy being that unmotivated for several years and all of a sudden becoming motivated again in his late 30's. It just doesn't work like that, and it seems like many people here think that Feds will come here and put on his Superman cape to contribute to the team.

[OsGOD 3]

We already have 2 great players on the point in Rafalski and Lidstrom. Kronwall doesn't have a great shot, but he's not bad on the point either as a puck mover. Most teams in the league don't have that kind of talent on the point, so there' s no reason to bring Fedorov in for that reason. Also, I doubt that any other teams' fans are asking for their team to sign Fedorov because he can play any position and was once a great player. He hasn't been a motivated player for years, and I can't remember ever seeing a guy being that unmotivated for several years and all of a sudden becoming motivated again in his late 30's. It just doesn't work like that, and it seems like many people here think that Feds will come here and put on his Superman cape to contribute to the team.

So we have two.... why not have more? there is no rule against that.

The only thing I remember about Feds playing D in Detroit was that he hated having to do it. Quite honestly, I don't recall what made him so good at it while he was here. What was it that he did so well in his stint on D in Motown? Was he physical? How much did he jump into the play? Was he being comletely responsible defensively or was he cheating alot? I honestly don't remember how well he may have played when he was here on defense.

2 selke's... 3 stanley cups (none since he left)... 1 Hart... owns various records here... I would say he did QUITE ENOUGH!

[Chase 0]

So we have two.... why not have more? there is no rule against that.

Do we NEED more though? Why not spend our money elsewhere where its more needed?

[Pskov Wings Fan 71]

Besides that, I think it's time to move on. You know, if Fedorov wanted to play here so ******* badly, he would have accepted the 4 year or whatever deal the Wings threw at him. That's still a long term contract in my opinion. I don't know why he felt playing in some s*** market like Anaheim was any better for him, but to me, it was a slap in the face the way he left. Oh well, it's not like what I'm saying will actually mean anything to you.

I am just surprised that people still can't get over him leaving Wings for Anaheim.

Also I have no idea if there is some bad blood between him and the team (but I doubt it, seems the fans are the ones holding the grudge).

But as far as him not being good enough to be top 6 forward I have to disagree. Which forwards, outside of the first line, on the Wings roster are better?

Last year Wings get Bertuzzi and people cheered.

[OsGOD 3]

Do we NEED more though? Why not spend our money elsewhere where its more needed?

Spending money on getting a quality forward to score in the Playoffs as well as a MORE than capable d-man if they go down yet again... yeah I would say it is money well spent.

[glasgowcelticwing 18]

umm.... did you get the impression I was saying he didn't do anything for us? I was asking if somebody could describe his style of play on DEFENSE while he was here b/c I don't really have any vivid memories of how well he did on the blueline.

and yes, he did plenty of great things while he was here.

Back off. I'll defend myself if I feel like it. Its got nothing to do with you so if its cluttering up your "life" then move along already. I'm having a discussion with somebody. And I went the PM route but she wouldn't have it and just kept badmouthing me in the thread. Thanks for your 2 cents though.

We'll I'm reading a topic about Forsberg or Fedorov and all i see is you going after someone and ....yeah...you are being pretty vulgar....there's a difference between defending yourself and taking it to far.

Oh ..yeah....and I'd love to see Fedorov back . he'd add to our offence and defence and would be the top six forward that we need ......my 2 cents.

[OsGOD 3]

umm.... did you get the impression I was saying he didn't do anything for us? I was asking if somebody could describe his style of play on DEFENSE while he was here b/c I don't really have any vivid memories of how well he did on the blueline.

Considering you can't remember anything bad he did... I would say he did quite well... Bad moves are the ones that get brought up the most on here...

Feds held his own.... 2 selke's demonstrates to me that he is More than capable to own up to defensive position stints and he did that just fine, when called on.

[OsGOD 3]

Don't we need a quality winger more than a center?

Or is Fedorov as great on either wing as he is at Center and defense? Heck, how good a goalie is he?

I'd rather get a scoring winger and a maybe a big winger like Mule who can throw the body than spend it on Fedorov because he can also play defense.

Feds isn't just a center... playing with nash and zherdev he was on the wings... as well as played on the wings a lot for the wing if I remember correctly. His more a Forward than a specific forward... all around ability is better than a one dimensional or positional player

Don't we need a quality winger more than a center?

Or is Fedorov as great on either wing as he is at Center and defense? Heck, how good a goalie is he?

I'd rather get a scoring winger and a maybe a big winger like Mule who can throw the body than spend it on Fedorov because he can also play defense.

yeah I honestly don't remember much of his time on D. There isn't a single specific game I can recall watching where he played D even though I know he did. So either you're right and he was holding his own (or he was super great and a norris calibre considering some other opinions) or we were so good that his mistakes or gaffs weren't very bad nor costly or were simply overlooked by Feds supporters.

I don't remember him costing us any games so i'm not going to say he's a bad defenseman. I just wanted some more clarification and maybe some specific examples from those touting him as an excellent defenseman. Far as i'm concerned the burden of proof is on the supporters.

I am not sure why the burdon of proof lies strictly with the supporters (other than you are not one so that is what you want) but I say the fact that he continues to provide his defensive skill on other teams is a sure fire sign he is doing something right!

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

We'll I'm reading a topic about Forsberg or Fedorov and all i see is you going after someone and ....yeah...you are being pretty vulgar....there's a difference between defending yourself and taking it to far.

Oh ..yeah....and I'd love to see Fedorov back . he'd add to our offence and defence and would be the top six forward that we need ......my 2 cents.

What if the contract terms were the same, would you want Selanne or Fedorov? Or if available would you want Ryan Smyth or Fedorov? I'm still big on the idea that we need a bonafide scoring winger. Since Shanny and Hull left, we haven't had a real threat and I think that's killing us. We've been able to hang defensively in the playoffs even when undermanned. We fought tooth and nail with Anaheim in both series that they beat us and in other series. Our problem has been we couldn't score. All you have to do is look at the great numbers our goalies put up and we still couldn't win. If we can't find a scoring winger Holland should just hold onto him money now. Trading for Feds now would be ridiculous considering his contract. At the trade deadline this would be a great discussion but to bring him back now, terrible imo. It would hamstring this team and make us unable to do anything else. We should roll with what we've got, let the kids play and see if we can nab a sniper via trade or free agency.

[OsGOD 3]

What if the contract terms were the same, would you want Selanne or Fedorov? Or if available would you want Ryan Smyth or Fedorov? I'm still big on the idea that we need a bonafide scoring winger. Since Shanny and Hull left, we haven't had a real threat and I think that's killing us. We've been able to hang defensively in the playoffs even when undermanned. We fought tooth and nail with Anaheim in both series that they beat us and in other series. Our problem has been we couldn't score. All you have to do is look at the great numbers our goalies put up and we still couldn't win. If we can't find a scoring winger Holland should just hold onto him money now. Trading for Feds now would be ridiculous considering his contract. At the trade deadline this would be a great discussion but to bring him back now, terrible imo. It would hamstring this team and make us unable to do anything else. We should roll with what we've got, let the kids play and see if we can nab a sniper via trade or free agency.

Considering Selenne keeps threatenin' to retire... I would take Sergei....

Consider I don't like Smyth... I would take Sergei.

PP sucked (sammy "firing blanks" was on the point) ... Puts feds back there and we might have scored on some of those 5-3.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Lidstrom & Rafalski are pretty good

Why wouldn't we give more PP time to Kronwall and Lebda? For years we've been waiting to see Kronwall's offensive upside so why bring in somebody to take his minutes away?

Not too mention they say Kindl could make the team (I don't know about that) but he's supposed to be able to man the point as well.

Kronwall and Lebda don't have the kind of shot that can scare other teams on the powerplay. They're good skaters who can move the puck, but not great powerplay quarterbacks because they lack a hard shot.

[OsGOD 3]

WOW, you'd take Sergei over Ryan Smyth? You stated this because you "don't like" Smyth. Is that a personal dislike you are referring to or you think he's not as good a player. Let me rephrase, you think he wouldn't help as much as Feds.

If you think he wouldn't help us that's one thing. If you'd take Fedorov over Smyth only because you personally like one more than the other, that's another.

I think Feds would help us out more all around... How is Smyth defensively (or is he all offense minded)... and to boot there is no chance to get Smyth (i do feel he is a tad overrated from what I have seen of him) but there is a very good chance that we would get Fedorov. Selanne is also a possiblity, but I would choose Feds over both of them.

Edited July 28, 2007 by OsGOD

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

I think all of us in here need a big case of "Shut the Hell Up".

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I agree. I apologized to Offsides already.

Sorry to the board for "spooning" up the thread with this. s*** happens.

I have actual as the very silent partner really

That doesn't sound very consistant to this:

but more like this:

as with this:

I think I have read enough though thanks for the rec

ahh, that explains alot.

thanks for confirming though!

[glasgowcelticwing 18]

Aye! it is heading right to our ship

Aye!!!.

anyway , back to the subject , Forsberg is a great player and he'd be good for the Wings but the injuries are always gonna hinder him . I also think that Feds has a point to prove and would be more than capable of filling in wherever he'd be playing for the Wings.....get it done Kenny.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Aye!!!.

anyway , back to the subject , Forsberg is a great player and he'd be good for the Wings but the injuries are always gonna hinder him . I also think that Feds has a point to prove and would be more than capable of filling in wherever he'd be playing for the Wings.....get it done Kenny.

Are you saying we should get him now and take on all of his salary? What exactly is his salary anymore? Is it still over 6 million? If so, don't we have less than 6 in cap space?