McAmmond hurt bad/Concussed

[irishtemper14+25 11]

hes perfect for philly, just another broadstreet bully

[BringHomeTheCup! 0]

Have you even seen Downie play hockey before? I had the 'privilege' to watch this idiot play in Windsor for a couple of years. That's exactly what Downie intends to do in each and every game - injure someone. Bob MacKenzie said himself that he watched him play growing up and there is a malicious side to him. Just ask Akim Aliu who took a baseball swing to the face and lost some teeth. Why? Because Aliu refused to kiss Downie's ass.

Stop trying to defend this a'hole. He hasn't earned this reputation for no reason.

Cam Neely was one of the best hitters in hockey, did you ever hear about him being dirty? No. There's a BIG difference between being a physical player and a dirty one. Downie's dirty and couldn't care less about anyone else's well being.

The only reason he made an apology was because he knows that McGratton is going to make him his *****.

I'm not defending Downie. I've seen him play, I don't particularly like his style. However, you have to judge the hit for what it was. Past transgressions shouldn't matter in a case like this. It wasn't as if McAmmond had passed the puck, took 3 strides, and then got hammered.

Just for reference, yes, I have seen some hits thrown by Cam that looked dirty.

Watch Neely about 1:01 into

clip.

[Kutcher 0]

Yes Hank, level 3's ref 5 yr old billy. FYI I ref PeeWee and Midget AAA and AA. So thats hardly little billy.

Your just pissed now because I proved to you that it should not be a Match penalty,at worst a Game Misconduct.

[sticknmove 0]

hit is questionable, the point was brought up if a wing laid a hit like that on it would have been deemed "amazing" here on the boards. Like him or not Downie is a gamer who plays with emotion and goes 100% of the time. He was a f*cking treat to watch in Windsor and I expect the same to be true with him in Philly. I am not saying I approve or applaude hits of this nature, but it happens, especially when a guy is trying to do whatever it takes to stand out in order to better his chances of making the league. These things are going to happen, like it or not, it is unfortunate I suppose but when profesional athletes are in the heat of competition some times they don't think the same way as we do, sitting in front of our computers. here are somewhat "questionable" hits by Wings, I dont think any are as severe, but proves the wings are not innocent of never leaving their feet for a hit either:

Kronwall

Kronwall 2

Edited September 26, 2007 by sticknmove

[BringHomeTheCup! 0]

hit is questionable, the point was brought up if a wing laid a hit like that on it would have been deemed "amazing" here on the boards. Like him or not Downie is a gamer who plays with emotion and goes 100% of the time. He was a f*cking treat to watch in Windsor and I expect the same to be true with him in Philly. I am not saying I approve or applaude hits of this nature, but it happens, especially when a guy is trying to do whatever it takes to stand out in order to better his chances of making the league. These things are going to happen, like it or not, it is unfortunate I suppose but when profesional athletes are in the heat of competition some times they don't think the same way as we do, sitting in front of our computers. here are somewhat "questionable" hits by Wings, I dont think any are as severe, but proves the wings are not innocent of never leaving their feet for a hit either:

Kronwall

Kronwall 2

It was I who brought up the point about a Wing being praised for a great hit. That second video is a perfect example, I remember so many people praising Kronwall for that hit.

The Downie hit was no worse than that hit.

The only thing different is that McAmmond didn't get up.

[Guest Yzer19]

It was I who brought up the point about a Wing being praised for a great hit. That second video is a perfect example, I remember so many people praising Kronwall for that hit.

The Downie hit was no worse than that hit.

The only thing different is that McAmmond didn't get up.

The fact that McAmmond didn't get up means that the Downie hit was worse than the Kronwall hit.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Ian Lapaierere, just said what goes around comes around, on the highlights. Alot of guys in the NHL, WANT HIM GONE FROM THE LEAGUE.

Lappy, Grats, he's getting the tough guys mad, I feel bad for Downie, he's a wanted man. He's gonna get hurt this year.

[Guest Yzer19]

Here is Lidstrom's comments on it:

Lidstrom wants crackdown on headshots

Edited September 26, 2007 by Yzer19

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

here's some great stuff on Downie. Just an absolute class act of a guy.

so instead of letting these 2 guys go Downie decides its good to jump on a guy's back and horse collar him? Code, anyone?

this s*** couldn't have happened to a nicer guy....................whose that kid in the Rangers #9?

[Hito 0]

He should get frequent flyer miles for that hit.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Watch the clip again, his last stride was about at the hash.

Let me ask this. Do you think when Markov hit Stoll, he was thinking, "Gee, I could put everything I have into this hit, and make sure Stoll goes down. But I don't want to hurt him. So instead, I'll just take the chance of not making the play and only hit him with 75% of what I've got." No, he wasn't. And if for one second you believe that every big hit dished out isn't intended to do as much damage as possible, then you are just naive my friend. Players in today's NHL are more talented than ever before. This means a few things, on being this. As a player, you cannot afford to let your gaurd down and do anything any less than 110%. What to say if Markov does let up a little that Stoll doesn't sit Markov down, and pass the puck to one of his mates for a goal?

Umm...why are we talking about Markov? Lest my memory is failing I don't recall Markov's body being parallel to the ice surface and approximately 5 feet off of it when he hit Stoll.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

The Markov hit was clean, he didnt leave the ice. The Kronwall hit on Lupul, yes he left his feet, but did I cheer yes, but for a different reason, I hadent seen a red wing throw a decent bone crusher in years, we were probably the softest team in the league at the time and I hate the Oilers, but that didnt make the hit ok, it was still dirty.

The Downie hit was 5 for 5 on the dirty scale. Left his feet, late hit, elbow, aiming for the head, and attempt to injure. The Ducks would like Downie alot, plays the game just like Pronger .

[Gizmo 21]

Citing directly from the referee's rule book.

Rule 50 - Boarding

(A) Page 138

A minor penalty or, at the discretion of the referee, a Major penalty and a Game Misconduct penalty, based upon the degree of violence of the impact with the borad, shall be assessed any player who body checks, cross-checks, elbows, charges or trips an opponent in such a manner that causes the opponent to be thrown violently into the boards. If a player is injured a Major penalty and a Game Misconduct penalty must be assessed.

Under that ruling, Steve Downie gets a 5 min Major and a Game misconduct for BOARDING. Not a match penalty. You're welcome for the knowledge, this one is free.

Try Rule "43.4 Match Penalty" on for size: "The referee, at his discretion, may assess a match penalty if, in his judgment, the player or goalkeeper attempted to or deliberately injured his opponent by charging." Page 94, NHL Rules, 2006-07 edition. This is what he got "hit" with in return.

[Izzy24 44]

Priceless, I would have paid someone to write that for me, just so I could have been the one to post it!!!!

Thanks!

[BringHomeTheCup! 0]

The fact that McAmmond didn't get up means that the Downie hit was worse than the Kronwall hit.

That's a ridiculous standpoint. The nature of the hits were exactly the same. Both guys are fine. How does McAmmond laying on the ice change anything?

Umm...why are we talking about Markov? Lest my memory is failing I don't recall Markov's body being parallel to the ice surface and approximately 5 feet off of it when he hit Stoll.

Read the previous posts before you comment them. But since you won't, and I have extra time, I'll explain.

Someone tried to use the Markov hit on Stoll as a comparison and said it was the way a hit should be thrown, that the Downie hit was completely different. When in fact if you watch the clip of the Markov hit, you will see that it is more similar than not.

Five feet off the ice when he hit McAmmond?! Have you watched the clip? You probably should. Downie was, at most, 6 inches off the ice at impact.

The Markov hit was clean, he didnt leave the ice. The Kronwall hit on Lupul, yes he left his feet, but did I cheer yes, but for a different reason, I hadent seen a red wing throw a decent bone crusher in years, we were probably the softest team in the league at the time and I hate the Oilers, but that didnt make the hit ok, it was still dirty.

The Downie hit was 5 for 5 on the dirty scale. Left his feet, late hit, elbow, aiming for the head, and attempt to injure. The Ducks would like Downie alot, plays the game just like Pronger .

Hmmm.....

It wasn't a late hit. At most it was one stride after McAmmond passed the puck, which Downie couldn't have seen. Again, please watch the clip, Downie did not throw an elbow, didn't aim for the head. And if anything, leaving his feet saved McAmmond a more serious head injury.

If that hit was a 5 of 5, so was Kronwalls. No doubt. You can't argue that. Take off the homerlenses.

[Kutcher 0]

Try Rule "43.4 Match Penalty" on for size: "The referee, at his discretion, may assess a match penalty if, in his judgment, the player or goalkeeper attempted to or deliberately injured his opponent by charging." Page 94, NHL Rules, 2006-07 edition. This is what he got "hit" with in return.

I would try it on .. but it doesn't fit since it was NOT a charge. He left his feet during contact, which is not against the rules, and he stopped skating at the face-off circle, that makes your claim of a charge false.

[sticknmove 0]

"The fact that McAmmond didn't get up means that the Downie hit was worse than the Kronwall hit."

No it means one's body could take a hit better then the others could.

[Opie 308]

Here is Lidstrom's comments on it:

Lidstrom wants crackdown on headshots

I have to say I think of Lids as one of the smartest players and that he knows a s*** load more about hockey than I ever will.

Having said that, if he thinks an enforcer is needed for a safer feeling I can not argue with that kind of statement, not from him.

I didn't think having an enforcer would make players feel that much safer but if Captain Nick Lidstrom thinks it to be the truth than I am sold.

Lidstrom said the decline in the number of fights in the NHL has coincided with a rise in cheap shots, like the one Philadelphia Flyers prospect Steve Downie placed on Ottawa Senators forward Dean McAmmond Tuesday night. McAmmond was knocked out by the hit to the head and taken to the hospital. He was released Wednesday, diagnosed with a concussion.

Edited September 27, 2007 by Opie

[Gizmo 21]

I would try it on .. but it doesn't fit since it was NOT a charge. He left his feet during contact, which is not against the rules, and he stopped skating at the face-off circle, that makes your claim of a charge false.

However, the NHL rulebook doesn't require that a player's feet leave the ice nor require that the skater still be striding in order for it to be charging. The NHL defines charging as "the actions of a player or goalkeeper who, as a result of the distance traveled, shall violently check a player in any manner."

[sticknmove 0]

I cannot wait to the responses some are going to give about Lidstroms statements. I cant wait to hear the following:

-"Oh ya, I agree, I don't hate tough guys but Downey's not the one." (Same thing was said about Norton by the same people). GUESS WHAT GUYS WERE NOT GOING TO GET ANOTHER PROBERT, guys that can fight anyone in the league twice a night and score a goal or pick up an assist or two on a nightly basis come around very seldom so stop making comparisons.

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[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Hmmm.....

It wasn't a late hit. At most it was one stride after McAmmond passed the puck, which Downie couldn't have seen. Again, please watch the clip, Downie did not throw an elbow, didn't aim for the head. And if anything, leaving his feet saved McAmmond a more serious head injury.

If that hit was a 5 of 5, so was Kronwalls. No doubt. You can't argue that. Take off the homerlenses.

I said the Kronwall hit was dirty .... I dont understand how you can defend Steve Downie though. I sure as hell wouldnt defend Kronwall and he's on the wings, Downie is one of the dirtiest players under 21. I've watched the clip, a slow mo clip from TSN, which Darren Dreger labeled everything Downie did, an elbow, a head shot and it was late, 1 or 2 seconds is still late.

[sticknmove 0]

oh without a doubt it was dirty as hell, and he should get punished. But I am not going to hate Downie b/c of it, where as I like Chris Simon, but after what he did to Hollweg I lost all respect for him whatsoever.

[Kutcher 0]

However, the NHL rulebook doesn't require that a player's feet leave the ice nor require that the skater still be striding in order for it to be charging. The NHL defines charging as "the actions of a player or goalkeeper who, as a result of the distance traveled, shall violently check a player in any manner."

Touchee. I was under the believe that was boarding?

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

I dont hate Downie either stick, I just dont like how he NEVER plays by the rules. He's got a quite a record of cheap hits and dirty hits.

[sticknmove 0]

Ya, but so does Chelios. It doesnt make right, but there are players that make careers around it