McAmmond hurt bad/Concussed

[Cicada 4]

dirty as hell, but your gotta love the sens jumping in after

[sticknmove 0]

it was a dirty hit, but not even in the same category of what McSorley or Simon did. Tow different leagues a severity

[Hank 0]

Steve Downie is an idiot and I hope McGratton puts his giant ham-sized fists through his cocky-assed face!

No wonder Clarke loved this kid. They're both the same. They love to play dirty and cheapshot and when it comes to pay the piper they ask someone else on the team to do it for them.

Dave 'The Hammer' Schultz used to complain about cleaning up a lot of Clarke's mess and I'm sure someone on Philly will have to do it for Downie.

From the Aliu incident, to the number of cheap hits, I hope this kid gets castrated in a horrible boating accident.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

what a monster hitm Steve Downie is insane I can't wait til he's a reg in the league

Downie is a ******* punk. What's so great about that hit he delivered? The fact that he jumped in the air to hit the guy? That's illegal you know.

Another reason I know downie is a prick is because he had a fight a couple nights ago and it was a fair start and Downie didn't even offer to remove his helmet (he wears a visor) and the guy he fought didn't wear a helmet. Jerome Iginla would remove his helmet. Francois Beauchemin would remove his. Downie didn't.

While there is no doubt that McCammond was hit in the head, and Downie did leave his feet, I still don't think he should have been suspended. Here is why.

First, McCammond is a bit of a tough guy. Downie is a bit of a tough guy. Earlier in the shift, Downie got sat down, so he was out to even the score. McCammond, more than anyone else on the Sens should have been aware of what could, and eventually did, happen.

Second, it wasn't a late hit. McCammond had just passed the puck. Even though McCammond did just pass the puck, there was no way that Downie could have seen that. Watch the replay, just as McCammond is passing the puck. From where Downie was, there is no way he could have seen that.

Finally, McCammond, again a bit of a tough guy in his own right, should have known better than to skate with his head down. That is a rookie mistake. If Colby Armstrong didn't get suspended for the hit he threw in the playoffs, how is Downie going to get suspended for this hit? A 5 minute major, maybe a game misconduct. But not a suspension.

What planet are you from? McCammond a "tough guy". By tough to you mean Kirk Matlby? Cause that's about what McCammond is. I abhor your linking the word Mccammond and tough guy in the same sentence.

Facts are facts, Downie jumped into the air and delivered a flying elbow to Mac's head. Had he done that to Zetterberg you'd want him banned from the league.

The kid has had a rep since junior of being a prick. And he is. I hope mcgratton caves his face in.

[Hank 0]

Haha, I was watching the highlights and they interviewed Mcgrattan. If Downie ever takes the to the ice agaisnt Grats, he's gonna get killed. Mcgrattan promised he'd get payback, and good.

I loved hearing this too, but this wreaks of 'Bertuzzi-Moore' all over again. You know the league is not going to appreciate McG's comments.

As a fan, I can't wait to watch the first game Ottawa and Philly meet. But if the League was serious about stopping any vengeful actions what they should do is give Downie a suspension and include that he's not allowed to play any games against the Sens for the rest of the season (4 games) including playoffs if they meet.

[Opie 308]

DIRTY HIT, DIRTY PLAYER!!

From what I have read about this kid he has some major major issues. He is a head case. If he continues to snap mentally because people won't do what he tells them and because he eats a solid check he will eventually do something far worse than this.

This guy is a time bomb and someone needs to step in and get him under control, he is bad for himself.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

that is exactly the same kind of hit Colby Armstrong landed in play-offs against Patrick Eaves. No differences at all.

Clearly you are another example of our failing educational system.

Yeah, the end result of both hits was the no different. Of course Armstrong didn't leave his feet and Eaves had the puck when he got hit. I mean, other than those two ridiculously, glaring differences, yeah you could say there was no difference in these two hits.

[Skiing - Puck 0]

I used to like Downie, but he's a dirty cheapshotter. He shouldnt make the Flyers, its best for the league.

Wouldn't being a dirty cheapshoter make Downie fit right in with the rest of the Flyers.

I hope someone McSorleys or Simon's this kid and ends his career before it starts..

Why? Their is no need to take a stick to his head, he will land a suspension and assuming he makes the Flyers latter in the season when these two teams meet again he will be pounded into the ice by one of the enforcers from Ottawa, or who knows mabye Emery will do it, but it will happen.

[toby91_ca 620]

While there is no doubt that McCammond was hit in the head, and Downie did leave his feet, I still don't think he should have been suspended. Here is why.

He's already been suspended indefinately and he deserves it. The league is going to be cracking down hard on this type of thing.

First, McCammond is a bit of a tough guy. Downie is a bit of a tough guy. Earlier in the shift, Downie got sat down, so he was out to even the score. McCammond, more than anyone else on the Sens should have been aware of what could, and eventually did, happen.

McAmmond is by no means a tough guy (Lidstrom almost had double the penalty minutes he had last year). Even if he was a tough guy, should that matter? Also, the fact that Downie was out to even the score makes it even worse for him, the hit was premetatated, therefore, showing a clear intent to injure.

Second, it wasn't a late hit. McCammond had just passed the puck. Even though McCammond did just pass the puck, there was no way that Downie could have seen that. Watch the replay, just as McCammond is passing the puck. From where Downie was, there is no way he could have seen that.

Whether the hit was late or not doesn't really matter too much since it was a completely illegal hit anyway, but the hit was very late. McAmmond got rid of the puck before he even started going around the net and he got nailed when he got around to the other side of the net.

Finally, McCammond, again a bit of a tough guy in his own right, should have known better than to skate with his head down. That is a rookie mistake. If Colby Armstrong didn't get suspended for the hit he threw in the playoffs, how is Downie going to get suspended for this hit? A 5 minute major, maybe a game misconduct. But not a suspension.

You are right, McAmmond shouldn't have been skating with his head down, but that doesn't make the hit he received any less vicious or less suspendable, that is simply and absurd comment to make.

For the record, the only thing similar between this hit and the Armstrong his is that both players were hit while going around the net (heads down). The Armstrong hit was completely within the rules of the game (feet down, no elbows, guy has the puck). While a lot of people are starting to wonder about whether something needs to be changed with respect to the rules around hits like the Armstrong hit, it is currently legal, while the Downie hit is nowhere near legal. Comparing the two hits at all is strange.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

DIRTY HIT, DIRTY PLAYER!!

From what I have read about this kid he has some major major issues. He is a head case. If he continues to snap mentally because people won't do what he tells them and because he eats a solid check he will eventually do something far worse than this.

This guy is a time bomb and someone needs to step in and get him under control, he is bad for himself.

Don't know if anyone posted this but Bob MaKenzie was at the game and I think he gives a pretty good explanation of what he saw. It's important to note the context of what happened prior to Downei hitting mccammond to get a sense of what was maybe going on in Downie's head.

http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/mckenzie/?id=219220

For the record, mcgratton has to say something afterwards but I didn't like what he said. He was fine to say that downie will find trouble if he keeps that up. what he should not have said was that he/ottawa were going to pay him back next time they play. anybody would be able to infer from his 1st statement and simply knowing the game and mcgratton that its being implied that downie is going to have to answer for this. no sense in pulling a brad may and then seeing steve moore lying on the ice.

[Opie 308]

Great article, I agree that head hunting and dirty hits are a league wide pandemic and something needs to be done about this.

Maybe instead of trying to make the players 8% faster the league should work on making the players 8% cleaner.

[edicius 3,269]

A flying leap, aiming the shoulder towards the opponent's head is a dirty hit, simple as that.

That wasn't just "leaving his feet"; he jumped up and DOVE at McAmmond.

Downie is a piece of garbage.

[Hank 0]

Great article, I agree that head hunting and dirty hits are a league wide pandemic and something needs to be done about this.

Maybe instead of trying to make the players 8% faster the league should work on making the players 8% cleaner.

Yeah, that article was great.

Perhaps the hit was clean when revisiting it. But like Mac said, Downie was looking for retribution (something he's known for).

I guess this will only give ammo to the crowds that would prefer Downie fought Schubert rather than head-hunting.

[eva unit zero 271]

Don't know if anyone posted this but Bob MaKenzie was at the game and I think he gives a pretty good explanation of what he saw. It's important to note the context of what happened prior to Downei hitting mccammond to get a sense of what was maybe going on in Downie's head.

http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/mckenzie/?id=219220

For the record, mcgratton has to say something afterwards but I didn't like what he said. He was fine to say that downie will find trouble if he keeps that up. what he should not have said was that he/ottawa were going to pay him back next time they play. anybody would be able to infer from his 1st statement and simply knowing the game and mcgratton that its being implied that downie is going to have to answer for this. no sense in pulling a brad may and then seeing steve moore lying on the ice.

Major differences between this and Steve Moore:

Moore's hit on Naslund was clean.

Ottawa doesn't have any morons like Bertuzzi who 'wouldn't be satsfied' with Downie paying with a fight like Moore did against Cooke. Heatley is the only person on there roster who might be that stupid, and he's never shown himself to be the kind of dirty prick Bertuzzi had been even before the Moore thing.

[Doctor G 0]

After looking at this a few times the hit was dirty. Not as bad as Pronger, but along the line of some of Dion Phaneuf hits. What the hell was McAmmond thinking watching his pass. Any player knows, around the net your head better be on a swivel or it will be handed to you. But anytime a player leaves his feet should be an automatic suspension. There is no reason to leave your feet or hit another player in the head. There seems to be a lack of respect for each other and I don't understand this. Yes this league is emotional, tough and physical, this of course is why most of us love it. But you can be tough without being dirt. I do have to say if the Flyers can get Downie under control they will have a very good player. Do not forget the Flyers LOVE very tough or even borderline dirty players. So in the Flyers eyes this might enhance his chances of making the team.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Major differences between this and Steve Moore:

Moore's hit on Naslund was clean.

Ottawa doesn't have any morons like Bertuzzi who 'wouldn't be satsfied' with Downie paying with a fight like Moore did against Cooke. Heatley is the only person on there roster who might be that stupid, and he's never shown himself to be the kind of dirty prick Bertuzzi had been even before the Moore thing.

Eva, you didn't get the point of what I was saying. I wasn't comparing the events that transpired. I was specifically recalling that Brad May said publicly that they would get Moore. Then they got Moore and we all know what happened after that.

My point wasn't about clean hits, dirty hits or whatever. It was that no player should publicly state they will get another player in lieu of what might happen to the hunted player a la moore.

There's no reason to publicly state a premeditation to "get" somebody in hockey. Not after the moore outcome. May shouldn't have said it and Mcgratton shouldn't have said it. That was my point.

[wingslogo19 281]

Dirty ******* hit that's all that needs to be said. But good for the Sens for jumping in

[Guest REDWINGS4LYFE]

Holland get r done we need grit this kid looks amazing we don't have dirty players on our team

GET R DONE

[Hank 0]

I still have no idea why the NHL hasn't banned shoulder pads with any kind of plastic on the shoulder portion. Those things are weapons.

[Kutcher 0]

All I can say was Nice F-ing hit. Way to finish your chech Steve. Sorry that Dean got hurt but sh*t happens.

A suspension definately is not needed. He only left his feet AFTER he made contact with Dean. Therefore not a charge. His shoulder did hit Deans head , only cause Deans head was down. Lesson here KEEP YOUR HEAD UP!

[vladdy16 2,154]

Of course it takes a solid dozen years of dirty hits to reach Pronger's level of douchebaggedry.

*waits for Lou to make a dirty dozen joke and EVA to correct the number of years played*

OMG! I spit out pop when I read this! Just wanted to let you know someone found it amusing.

I'm all for getting back to a physical game, but this crap has to go. Hockey is polite rough and tumble, not targeting like this.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

All I can say was Nice F-ing hit. Way to finish your chech Steve. Sorry that Dean got hurt but sh*t happens.

A suspension definately is not needed. He only left his feet AFTER he made contact with Dean. Therefore not a charge. His shoulder did hit Deans head , only cause Deans head was down. Lesson here KEEP YOUR HEAD UP!

Yet another newbie who thinks nobody has ever heard the phrase "keep your head up".

Obviously you are incorrect my friend as Downie got a match penalty. Automatic ejection and review by the league. A match penalty is given for intent to injure. You have any idea what happened prior to that hit? Maybe you should find out to figure out the "intent" part of it. Video shows he did leave his feet. It wasn't a superman move but his skates left the ice.

The refs saw the game, saw what led up to the hit, and did the right thing by giving a match penalty. What are you going to say when he gets reprimanded by the league? That the rest of us, the officials and the league are all incorrect and that you are spot on with your assessment?

You have no idea what you are talking about. Don't argue with me either. You know you don't know what you are talking about so just think about that. And thanks for the tip about keeping our heads up. We've never heard that before.

[Opie 308]

GS&T that is because no one has used Keep your Head up, since Tupac, most people say put your head on a swivel or Keep your chin up. LOL

Seriously though I agree with everything you just posted. Dirty hit, dirty player, hit had tons of intent to injure in it. He left his feet, and he picked his target out at center ice!

Oh, BTW GS&T with that kind of posting you will never make your way to the LGW welcoming committee. You should have at least brought a fruit basket!

Edited September 26, 2007 by Opie

[Kutcher 0]

Yet another newbie who thinks nobody has ever heard the phrase "keep your head up".

Obviously you are incorrect my friend as Downie got a match penalty. Automatic ejection and review by the league. A match penalty is given for intent to injure. You have any idea what happened prior to that hit? Maybe you should find out to figure out the "intent" part of it. Video shows he did leave his feet. It wasn't a superman move but his skates left the ice.

The refs saw the game, saw what led up to the hit, and did the right thing by giving a match penalty. What are you going to say when he gets reprimanded by the league? That the rest of us, the officials and the league are all incorrect and that you are spot on with your assessment?

You have no idea what you are talking about. Don't argue with me either. You know you don't know what you are talking about so just think about that. And thanks for the tip about keeping our heads up. We've never heard that before.

Just so you know I do know what I'm talking about. I've been an official for 7 years. A match penalty should not be assessed for something like that .. If they feel the need to give a penalty for a clean hit like that, because someone got injured, it should be a 5min major for boarding. Also i watched the game and saw what transpired before the hit took place. So he took a couple hits, big deal. He did what every hockey player does. He got the guys number and got him back.

[Draperfan 104]

wow, and this is the preseason.

Thats when most of the fights happen(preseason)all these young tough guys wanting to make a name for themselves and trying to make the team.