McAmmond hurt bad/Concussed

[eva unit zero 271]

No, it's players like Bertuzzi, Downie, and other dirty players that are ruining the game. Go back and read Toby's posts. He explained it best. Of course Lidstrom knows more about hockey than me, but that doesn't me that he is right about every single thing he says. I would say the same thing about Gordie Howe, or Mario, or even Gretzky. I respect their opinions, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with everything they say.

Anyways I agree with Lidstrom that the NHL needs to crackdown on headshots, but I don't agree with the need for enforcers. Other leagues don't have enforcers and they doing better than the NHL. Look at the NFL. That is a contact sport too, but they don't have enforcers.

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[Guest Yzer19]

Nothing to do with your post, but in your sig, how is Lidstrom the captain of a team with Howe, Abel and Lindsey on it?

It's mostly because Lidstrom is currently The Captain. He did such a great job last year and so far this year that I just picked him as the Wings all-time best Captain.

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No, it was correct the way I had it. It should say Moore, Downie, and other dirty players are ruining the game. Bertuzzi actually did the game a favor by helping to get rid of Moore. Moore's role was to cheapshot star players. He was not a good player and shouldn't have been in the NHL in the first place. The game didn't need a player like that.

[toby91_ca 620]

It's mostly because Lidstrom is currently The Captain. He did such a great job last year and so far this year that I just picked him as the Wings all-time best Captain.

No, it was correct the way I had it. It should say Moore, Downie, and other dirty players are ruining the game. Bertuzzi actually did the game a favor by helping to get rid of Moore. Moore's role was to cheapshot star players. He was not a good player and shouldn't have been in the NHL in the first place. The game didn't need a player like that.

YIKES!!...to everything you said.

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

YIKES!!...to everything you said.

Yeah... holy cow.

[sticknmove 0]

It's mostly because Lidstrom is currently The Captain. He did such a great job last year and so far this year that I just picked him as the Wings all-time best Captain.

No, it was correct the way I had it. It should say Moore, Downie, and other dirty players are ruining the game. Bertuzzi actually did the game a favor by helping to get rid of Moore. Moore's role was to cheapshot star players. He was not a good player and shouldn't have been in the NHL in the first place. The game didn't need a player like that.

LOL, oh ya, you're right I had it all wrong. Bertuzzi planned on snapping his neck, and the hole time he was trying to bait him into dropping the mitts wehn skating down the ice was just a ploy to throw us off. And again, I totally forgot how Colorado brought in Moore to cheapshot other star players. This role is common in the NHL, to bring in a guy to maliciously take out stars, what the heck was I thinking again! "The game didn't need a player like that", well, i mean technically, you now saying Bertuzzi did the game a favor. You are a funny dude, and it looks like you forgot yzerman on you r all wings team, or did he just not make the cut?

[Guest Yzer19]

Of course Bertuzzi didn't plan on snapping his neck. It just sort of happend. It's a shame it had to come to that. If the league would've did it's job in punishing Moore then that whole incident probably wouldn't have happend. My point is the league needs to get rid of players that their only role is to take out star players from the opposing team.

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[redwingfan19 293]

Of course Bertuzzi didn't plan on snapping his neck. It just sort of happend. It's a shame it had to come to that. If the league would've did it's job in punishing Moore then that whole incident probably wouldn't have happend. My point is the league needs to get rid of players that their only role is to take out star players from the opposing team.

It's a by product of the instigator rule. The problem should have been dealt with then and there when Moore took that run at Naslund, heck without the instigator rule it may not of even happened because Moore would have known something would be coming pretty much right away or the next shift. worst rule ever put in hockey, get rid of it.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

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[Kutcher 0]

I'd say alot of Moore's injusy was caused by the 8 guys jumping ontop of him and Bert. He'd probly still be playing if they hadn't.

[sticknmove 0]

you have a point there kutcher, I have heard a lot of people say that in the past. Bad situation, that could have been avoided if there wat not some lame ass pee wee instigator rule in place

[OsGOD 3]

I have been saying it all along... no one can prove what caused the actual injury to moore... I hold on strong it was the 1,600 lbs that piled on top of him. i mean whos bones wouldn't break under that stress.

[Opie 308]

As you probably saw on the front page, 20 games.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

I'd say alot of Moore's injusy was caused by the 8 guys jumping ontop of him and Bert. He'd probly still be playing if they hadn't.

Seriously, this again? Can you show me a picture with the 8 guys jumping on Moore?

Because when I watch it I see three guys, and two refs pulling them off.

I have been saying it all along... no one can prove what caused the actual injury to moore... I hold on strong it was the 1,600 lbs that piled on top of him. i mean whos bones wouldn't break under that stress.

Virtually every player in the NFL, college football, even high school football who ends up in a pileup. There's rarely a broken bone.

Weird how more necks aren't broken when a whole team of hockey players pile on each other to celebrate the Stanley Cup. Maybe they should ban those kind of celebrations for players' safety. Or in any of the multiplayer scrums that happen through a season.

Maybe it couldn't be 100% proven (a lot of things in life can't). But say a guy has a broken neck, and you're trying to figure out what happened. The two leading possible causes are:

a) three or four other players piling on his body.

OR

b) being unexpectedly punched in the lower head/neck area by a 6'3" 245 lb. hockey player.

Especially considering that Moore's lights were out before he even hit the ice, it doesn't take CSI to figure out what the most likely cause of the injury was.

Moore's broken neck is 100% Bertuzzi's fault. I can understand still liking Bert in spite of his cheapshot, but splitting hairs about what happened to Moore is a joke. A bad joke, that apparently won't die.

As for Downie's suspension, it's more inconsistency by the league. Sure they're tough when it's a scrub player. Suddenly they take a stand against headshots. I have not problem with the length of this one. My problem is how they let the bigger name guys off the hook for similar blows to the head.

[BringHomeTheCup! 0]

Here is my last response in this thread.

I don't really have the time or drive to respond to everything everyone has countered with, but this has been on my mind.

For those of you who say this hit was more vicious because Downie didn't let up. Or that it somehow shows lack of concern or respect from Downie because he didn't let up.

Look at the facts. In the NHL you can't let up. If you let up, you will be the one that ends up looking at the ceiling.

Did this hit end up badly? Sure did. But you can't blame Downie for doing what is commonplace, and that's going balls out.

[sticknmove 0]

This kind of shows the number of bodies that were included in the pileup we were talking about earlier

[vangvace 12]

Hope he's alright but, McAmmond really needs to be more aware of his surroundings or he's not gonna make it. (Not that it mattered in this case) Pronger in the SCF and now this...

[eva unit zero 271]

you have a point there kutcher, I have heard a lot of people say that in the past. Bad situation, that could have been avoided if there wat not some lame ass pee wee instigator rule in place

Yeah, because if Moore had just fought someone on the Canucks it wouldn't have happened? You know, other than going toe to toe with Matt Cooke earlier that game? Oh, and three guys piling on your lower back does not break your NECK. Moore's neck was broken when Bertuzzi drove his head into the ice.

[BringHomeTheCup! 0]

Yeah, because if Moore had just fought someone on the Canucks it wouldn't have happened? You know, other than going toe to toe with Matt Cooke earlier that game? Oh, and three guys piling on your lower back does not break your NECK. Moore's neck was broken when Bertuzzi drove his head into the ice.

Three guys piling on top of a guy who is pressing on your neck can add the pressure necessary to break it.