interminded 1 Report post Posted October 11, 2007 Is it just me or are these two dudes stalling for no apparant reason ? I know it's not the easiest decision to make.... whether to retire or to play another year (or maybe two..). But they had all summer to think about this and they still don't know ?????? C'mon, that's ridiculous ! I have a lot of respect for both of them, but this is not respectfull to the Ducks organisation and their fans, IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FinWing 26 Report post Posted October 11, 2007 I think Selanne is all but done, he hasn't even been skating since the playoffs. As for Nieds, I'm not so sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingsfan75 2 Report post Posted October 11, 2007 This kind of BS actually pisses me off a bit. This is similar to when Floppa took half the year off and came back. That was due in part to injury. I sort of understood that. The thing that pisses me off a bit is that these guys aren't injured. They seem to be stalling so they don't have to grind out an entire season. If they end up retiring then it's all good but I'd be if I were some young prospect losing my job to someone who didn't want to have to work hard all year long. If this drags out half the season I don't think the league should allow them back. Just my opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteLightning91 105 Report post Posted October 11, 2007 I honestly think they are being completely selfish in not deciding...Yea I realize it's a tough decision, but f***in grow a pair and make it already. There is no reason why the Ducks should have to constantly wonder whether or not these 2 are coming back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kutcher 0 Report post Posted October 11, 2007 I honestly think they are being completely selfish in not deciding...Yea I realize it's a tough decision, but f***in grow a pair and make it already. There is no reason why the Ducks should have to constantly wonder whether or not these 2 are coming back. Agreed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
omnipotent_hudler 0 Report post Posted October 11, 2007 Nieds will be back after the half way mark. He'll be fresh for the playoffs and I think him coming back that late negates some of his salary cap hit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted October 11, 2007 They're only acting this way because they're playing for a franchise which is giving them leeway in making this decision. If this was another team, both players would have made their decisions by now. I'm guessing that Brian Burke doesn't care about this situation, because if he did, then he could put his foot down on both guys and make an ultimatum. I think Selanne is still hung over from winning his 1st cup. As for Niedermayer, he's on his period, so we have to give him some time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vangvace 12 Report post Posted October 11, 2007 Nieds will be back after the half way mark. He'll be fresh for the playoffs and I think him coming back that late negates some of his salary cap hit. I think you're right since they suspended him till ffuther notice. As for Selanne... he's a FA so he can Roger Clemons or Floppa all he wants to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
interminded 1 Report post Posted October 11, 2007 I'm guessing that Brian Burke doesn't care about this situation, because if he did, then he could put his foot down on both guys and make an ultimatum. Why he doesn't put his foot down is beyond me, but I really think he cares about this situation. It's not just any two players.. it's Scott Niedermayer and Teemu Selanne. But maybe there's some kind of elaborate plan we all don't know about... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted October 11, 2007 There's a big difference here though. Selanne is a UFA. He's not under any obligation to anybody. Niedermayer on the other hand is still under contract with Anaheim. You'd think if a team pays you $6.75 million for a few years, you could at least have the courtesy to make up your friggin mind already. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted October 11, 2007 That is what I worry about Interminded. That just before or at the deadline these two will jump on board, to me that is horrible. Yes it is in the rules, just like the RFA thing, but he has a player sitting on the sidelines that no one else can make an offer to, that for all we know could be working out like Cheli does in the offseason. A guy who is doing nothing but preparing for the stretch and cup runs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted October 11, 2007 Nieds will be back after the half way mark. He'll be fresh for the playoffs and I think him coming back that late negates some of his salary cap hit. That's what I'm thinking. Which is a scam. There's no reason he can't play, and he's currently under contract to Anaheim. It's not like we're dealing with some rogue player who just didn't report to camp. Anaheim should be on the hook for his full salary instead of getting a nice break for Scott's vacation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bringback91 2 Report post Posted October 11, 2007 He'd of never went for it, cause he's got too much heart, but the Wings should've done this same s*** with Stevie his last 2 or so years. Forsberg's doing it again, and no doubt in my mind Niedermayer's doing the same thing and will be back after a nice long rest and giving Burke all that room to work with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hockey&beer 16 Report post Posted October 11, 2007 I'm wondering if there is an NHL rep watching to see if Nieds is not participating in any team activity. I mean, if he's "suspended" he shouldn't be practicing or traveling with the team until he is re-instated. If he starts practicing half way through the season to get in shape and get his timing back, his salary should take affect at that point, not when Mr. Burke decides to tell the NHL. (P.S. I REALLY do not like Mr. Whiney-Ass and by him allowing this to happen, I may like him less) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LEBDA22 0 Report post Posted October 11, 2007 this is all a bunch of b.s teemu should either retire , or take an offer from someone . as for scotty , man up and decide already , everyone is tired of hearing about the 2 of them . i watched the dux game last night and both of them were there and they were interviewed , and both of them said they hadnt been skating at all , and no real conditioning . so they should both just hang them up and let the rest of the hockey world get on with their lives . just bulls*** thats all!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted October 11, 2007 That's what I'm thinking. Which is a scam. There's no reason he can't play, and he's currently under contract to Anaheim. It's not like we're dealing with some rogue player who just didn't report to camp. Anaheim should be on the hook for his full salary instead of getting a nice break for Scott's vacation. Agreed What's to stop more teams from doing things like this in the future? This better be something the BOG looks at this offseason, because IMO its a scam. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Winged Scooter 0 Report post Posted October 11, 2007 How many people in here would want to punch their computer monitors, if either of them (or both) pull a "Roger Clemens" and come back at the 1/2 way point and only play home games. I for one would be sick! :puke: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteLightning91 105 Report post Posted October 11, 2007 I wouldn't doubt that another GM brings this up in some form, even anonymously. You cannot tell me that none of the other 29 GM's is not getting a little bit miffed about this whole situation... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vangvace 12 Report post Posted October 11, 2007 Agreed What's to stop more teams from doing things like this in the future? This better be something the BOG looks at this offseason, because IMO its a scam. I think that this has to be brought up as an ammendment to the CBA. But it would be difficult to stop all of the loopholes. hockey&beer supposedly Niedermayer can't do anything team related until he's off suspension. No travel or "team" skates. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted October 11, 2007 I think this is an incredibly difficult decision to make. Think about it. These guys have been playing hockey and dreaming about playing in the NHL pretty much every year of their life and now they are deciding whether they will walk away from it forever....it would take me a very long time to make that decision. For Niedermayer, I wonder if he is deferring because he is feeling out what it would feel like to not be playing anymore and see if he can deal with that. I think he has decided to retire, but hasn't made it official because he doesn't want to do it only to realize that he can't handle it and then come back and play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DRW Dominance 255 Report post Posted October 11, 2007 I would imagine that the Ducks record after 20 games or so will greatly affect Neid's decision. If they are stumbling big time then I could see him coming back and being the saviour. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest jaytan Report post Posted October 11, 2007 We'll see them in the spring as long as the Ducks are in the hunt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted October 11, 2007 (edited) I think that this has to be brought up as an ammendment to the CBA. Correct But it would be difficult to stop all of the loopholes. That doesn't change the fact that its a huge loophole in comparison to a player such as Niedermayer. It should be addressed given the magnitude of the loophole. Edited October 11, 2007 by Never Forget Mac #25 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bringback91 2 Report post Posted October 11, 2007 I think this is an incredibly difficult decision to make. Think about it. These guys have been playing hockey and dreaming about playing in the NHL pretty much every year of their life and now they are deciding whether they will walk away from it forever....it would take me a very long time to make that decision. For Niedermayer, I wonder if he is deferring because he is feeling out what it would feel like to not be playing anymore and see if he can deal with that. I think he has decided to retire, but hasn't made it official because he doesn't want to do it only to realize that he can't handle it and then come back and play. Well that's great and all, I sure wish I could break off contracts for work I didn't feel like fulfilling anymore. Teemu can do whatever he wants, he's completed his obligation. Niedermayer can play or not play I don't really care, but the Ducks should be stuck with his payroll til he offically retires. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted October 11, 2007 Well that's great and all, I sure wish I could break off contracts for work I didn't feel like fulfilling anymore. Teemu can do whatever he wants, he's completed his obligation. Niedermayer can play or not play I don't really care, but the Ducks should be stuck with his payroll til he offically retires. I don't get your point. I would hope that you can choose to not fulfill your contract at work at anytime if you feel like it, I know I can, your employer can't force you to work. It would be different if Niedermayer was continuing to be paid, but he's not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites